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The Inside Story On What's Happening With The Senate Immigration Bill(NOT GOOD)
Right Wing News ^ | 14 JUNE 2007 | John Hawkins

Posted on 06/14/2007 6:16:04 AM PDT by radar101

Yesterday, a GOP aide, who is one of my sources in the Senate, gave me the rundown on what's happening with the Senate immigration bill (this is the same person who I talked to last week about the bill).

First off, it does look like the Senate immigration bill is coming back. The conventional wisdom seems to be that it's going to be brought up right before the July 4th break, so that the Senate Republican leadership can try to use that as leverage to get votes (in other words, "vote for the bill or we'll have to waste your vacation time until you do").

This is despite the fact that the conservative leaders of the anti-amnesty movement are refusing to cooperate, and won't give Mitch McConnell a list of amendments that they want considered. My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee.

In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

My source also noted that the cloture vote to end debate will be the "real" vote on the bill because if debate is closed off, the bill is sure to pass. Then, what will happen is that the votes for the bill will be counted, and a few Senators who are afraid that their election prospects will be jeopardized by a "yes" vote, will be allowed to vote against the bill. This enables those Senators to tell their constituents that they voted against the bill, but it will still allow them to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists who have a better understanding of how things work, and know that the bill couldn't have been passed without their support. Put another way, they get to reap the rewards of supporting amnesty while telling the voters in their home states that they opposed the bill.

My source also let me know that the White House and the Senate leadership, and Trent Lott in particular, are pushing very hard for this bill.

I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain's presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain's dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in '08.

Before we finished up, I asked my source what he thought the prospects of passage were. He stated that it was a toss up, but that the pro-amnesty side had the momentum. I asked how that could possibly be given the outpouring of anger against this bill, and he told me that a lot of moderates were afraid of being called racists by people like Michael Chertoff, Luis Gutierrez, and Fred Barnes. He also noted that the Senate has a very insulated, clubhouse like atmosphere, and that a lot of these pro-amnesty Senators seem to be more worried about getting the President or Trent Lott mad at them than enraging the voters in their states. In addition, he told me that he thinks a lot of these Senators have "drunk the DC Kool-Aid", and believe that they're better off passing a bad bill, even one that won't ultimately become law if, as expected, the House kills it, so that they can at least tell the voters in 2008 that they did something about immigration.

PS #1: I asked my source what his boss thought the fallout from this bill would be. He advised me that his boss, and some of his boss's conservative colleagues in the Senate, believe that this bill could gin up so much outrage on the right that it could lead to the GOP having an even worse year in 2008 than they did in 2006. As is, conservatives are disillusioned and unmotivated, and he thinks this bill will make things much worse if it passes the Senate.

PS #2: Another question I had for my source was whether he thought Harry Reid wanted this bill to pass. He replied that he thought Rush Limbaugh was right, and that Harry Reid would prefer to see this bill go away. As evidence for that, he pointed to Reid bringing Byron Dorgan's killer Amendment back three times. He also said that if Reid had really wanted the bill to pass, he would have kept it on the floor for another 2-3 days. At this point though, he said that Reid is probably content to let it come back because after the President's high profile lobbying, he can pin the blame for the bill on Republicans.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arrogantrinos; deafrino; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; rinos; scaretactics; sellouts; vampirebill
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1 posted on 06/14/2007 6:16:08 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

2 posted on 06/14/2007 6:19:26 AM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: radar101

Time for Lott to go.


3 posted on 06/14/2007 6:19:52 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: radar101

We cannot rest on this one! But, we still need to remember that our prayers are heard by a God who understands, so let’s also not forget to pray.


4 posted on 06/14/2007 6:20:10 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: radar101
The ruling class WILL have its way!
5 posted on 06/14/2007 6:21:09 AM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

OMG, just what I thought. What a bunch of traitorous criminals.

They have no sense of decency and they have destroyed America’s sovereignty.


6 posted on 06/14/2007 6:22:49 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: xcamel

TERM LIMITS!!!!


7 posted on 06/14/2007 6:22:57 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABELER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: radar101

‘I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain’s presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain’s dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in ‘08. ‘

Trent Lott is simply a moron. This is the guy that spent decades trying to reinstate Jefferson Davis’s citizenship, against the expressed wishes of Jefferson Davis himself.

Think about that for a moment.....


8 posted on 06/14/2007 6:23:29 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: radar101
In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

Arrogant bastards!

9 posted on 06/14/2007 6:23:40 AM PDT by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: Shery

Always extremely important to pray, but now it is even more so, if that is possible. When the stuff hits the fan, as it now has, sometimes we get distracted and forget. Thanks for the reminder.


10 posted on 06/14/2007 6:24:18 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: radar101

Your report jibes with what I have been hearing.


11 posted on 06/14/2007 6:24:38 AM PDT by kabar
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To: radar101
If it can be killed in the House then this will be a great campaign tool for the Republicans. States like Washington and Oregon and other rust belt states with Dem Senators who vote for this will be very vulnerable I think.

Republican Senators who vote for this may lose their seat in the primaries, which is good, or in the general, which may balance out in the end. In other word we could pick up seats in borderline states like Washington and Oregon but lose seats in SC or Arizona. Either way the amnesty ideas will be one the new Senate will shun.

12 posted on 06/14/2007 6:25:00 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Yes. Time to dump Lott. And time to dump Lindsey Graham, Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, John McCain--and George W. Bush!

Throw the bums out!

13 posted on 06/14/2007 6:25:02 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Mississippi has a fine Governor who could replace this pile. I would rather not see Brbour in the Senate but in the White House but maybe his role is Senator.


14 posted on 06/14/2007 6:27:27 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: radar101
Soon the pledge will be as follows:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the North American Union, and to the Corporate Monarchy for which it stands. One union, under Royals, with liberty and justice for your station in life.

15 posted on 06/14/2007 6:27:34 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider

As another poster alluded, perhaps these nobels have been promised titles in their states and Mexico in exchange for crushing the rebellion.


16 posted on 06/14/2007 6:29:27 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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To: nativist

If the bill passes, it is game, set and match. It matters not what future Senates do. We will have legalized the status of 12 to 20 million people, which will effectively sow the seeds of our own destruction. You can’t unring a bell.


17 posted on 06/14/2007 6:31:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: radar101

bttt


18 posted on 06/14/2007 6:31:43 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: nativist
Short term it helps us -- but long term it makes us a permanent minority -- it means conservatives will have no leverage whatsoever, forever! Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada-- have all been going from red to blue because of immigration, this bill would accelerate that. How can the idiots in the Senate not see that?
19 posted on 06/14/2007 6:32:16 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: kabar
If it passes the Senate but not in the House is what I was referring to.
20 posted on 06/14/2007 6:33:24 AM PDT by nativist (Weigh into them!)
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