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Spokesman for President Bush Posts on Free Republic About Immigration Bill
Thursday, June 14, 2007 | Kristinn

Posted on 06/14/2007 11:16:52 AM PDT by kristinn

A spokeman for the Bush administration sent an e-mail to Jim Robinson and myself confirming the authenticity of a post on Free Republic this afternoon regarding the immigration bill currently before the Senate as having been posted on behalf of the White House.

The spokesman, Nicholas Thompson, works for the White House Office of Strategic Initiatives. The Politico reported yesterday that Thompson and Kerrie Rushton, associate directors in the Office of Strategic Initiatives who work under Karl Rove, would be engaging the blogosphere on the immigration bill.

Thompson's post is on the thread titled Penalty Mitigation in the Immigration Reform Bill, a vanity posted by philman_36. Thompson posted at comment #53.

Thompson's e-mail to Free Republic included a brief introduction and the text of his posted comment:

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that I just posted a response to the post "Penalty Mitigation in the Immigration Reform Bill."

The White House appreciates the opportunity to respond on Free Republic.

Response:
I would like to point out that the Secretary is authorized to reduce or mitigate penalities against employers who in good faith are trying to comply with the law. Certainly, we understand that not all employers knowingly hire illegal immigrants; this will remain the case, especially before the bill’s new secure documentation requirements are fully phased in. We do not seek to wrongly penalize honest employers who unknowingly hire illegal immigrants, therefore we reserve the right to reduce or mitigate their penalties if the employer can show good faith compliance in following the law.

For those employers who do knowingly hire illegal immigrants, please know that we intend to penalize these employers strongly, and the Administration has already stepped up these penalties in the last couple of years. For example, a 2005 program, “Operation Rollback,” assessed $15,000,000 in civil fines to employers, an amount greater than the sum of administrative fines collected in the previous eight years and was the largest worksite enforcement penalty in US history. In the first quarter of FY07, criminal and civil forfeitures have totaled $26,700,000 for employers.

As a reminder of what’s in the bill, fines for hiring an illegal worker are $5,000 maximum per illegal worker for the first offense, $10,000 maximum per illegal worker for the second, $25,000 maximum per illegal worker for the third , and $75,000 maximum per illegal worker for the fourth. In addition, the bill increases the maximum criminal penalty for a pattern or practice of unlawful hiring twenty-five-fold, from $3,000 to $75,000, and would impose a prison term of up to six months. This represents a significant increase in fines for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

Nicholas Thompson
White House Office of Strategic Initiatives


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To: LucyT
He lost a lot of supporters when he called us racist and bigots because we want the laws of this land enforced. He is the one doing the name calling. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Folks should remember,,,this bell cannot be"unrung",,, You can add to that list of "names",,,"Border-Crazies",,, Morons/ETC.(fill in blank)________________________,,, That some FReepers call us for DARING to "Flame-On" When HO'HAY ARBUSTO wants to turn "MY" Country,,USA,, into "CUIDAD DE ARBUSTOSTAN"(spell-check O/A for "new" Countries) Image and video hosting by TinyPic
1,651 posted on 06/16/2007 5:43:15 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

It appears incontrovertable.

These people really have been deluded by pseudo-elite future theory, that the entire world must become globalist instead of nationalist — Bush and the other GOP sell-outs very apparently included.

They don’t believe in nations, nor in respecting national bargaining power. Instead, they are trying to force their twisted view of the future.

(And they forget Who established nations.)


1,652 posted on 06/16/2007 5:46:20 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: LucyT
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1,653 posted on 06/16/2007 5:54:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: unspun

It appears incontrovertable.

These people really have been deluded by pseudo-elite future theory, that the entire world must become globalist instead of nationalist — Bush and the other GOP sell-outs very apparently included.

They don’t believe in nations, nor in respecting national bargaining power. Instead, they are trying to force their twisted view of the future.

(And they forget Who established nations.)
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I Agree/100% !! This Is The Problem,,,This “bill” will be the “tipping-point” for the “VOTER-BASE”,,,The Libo-Kraps
will have the vote numbers to pass ALL that they want,,,
It’s a “Power-Shift” to NWO/NAU/Globalism/Etc.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GAME~OVER~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


1,654 posted on 06/16/2007 6:11:05 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: kristinn

Hey, maybe the left will find legitimate grounds to do what they really want to do , that is to IMPEACH G.W. Bush. After all, they might actually find some constitutional grounds for it as he would be derelict in his duty to protect the nation. Oh, the irony of that! And who would stand with him? He has lost the only friends he had left.


1,655 posted on 06/16/2007 6:22:06 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: F15Eagle
Could we add READ ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION YOU SWORE TO UPHOLD.

GW says it’s impractical to try to deport the illegals however, in 1954 Ike did it. In a short time with their help. The operation was called “Operation Wetback” and did not take them to the border and release them...many were loaded on ships and sent down to Vera Cruz, others were put on buses for deep in the interior.

1,656 posted on 06/16/2007 6:43:54 PM PDT by momf (Remember the Alamo! Legal immigration only!!)
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To: WestCoastGal

There needs to be identification for ALL aliens who come to this country that cannot be forged. The rest of us have our birth certificates to prove we belong here.

= ==

They have been working hard to set that up as the chip implant/SLAG/Mark of the Beast of Revelation

in order to track and monitor every living being from birth to death . . .

in the new global world government . . . of about 500,000,000 people . . . as soon as they can get rid of “all the useless eaters” . . .

beginning with Christians . . . elderly . . . the ‘defective’ . . . and after they are through using them . . . homosexuals . . . maybe blacks . . . etc. lovely group the puppet masters.


1,657 posted on 06/16/2007 8:30:51 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: trussell

Thanks big.


1,658 posted on 06/16/2007 8:31:18 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DownsizeLiberals1

Exactly right on DL1. I’ve long regarded Bush as a “liberal”, or Leftist.
No one will profit by engaging anyone who is in favor of enrolling tens of millions of foreign criminal invader parasites onto the dole, as Kennedy-Bush-Graham-McCain would impose upon the taxpayers.
Regardless of party label, hate-America Leftists and backstabbing traitors populate both in abundance, though that does imply a measure of malignant intelligence that cannot be ascribed to Bush or McCain. They’re just more stupid than a sack of hammers.
This disgusting Amnesty for criminals and terrorists is a boon for the Democrat party, as they desperately want this to happen but don’t have to expend any political capital to further it into law.
The Democrats need not say a word about this, they’re content knowing the GOP is finished at the polls for decades, and they still get what they want, millions more hostile to the United States drawing every form of welfare.
I’m beyond disgusted at the self-immolation of the GOP. It’s far easier to take a screwing from a known enemy ideology espoused by Democrats, but much harder to take a stab in the back from those I voted for and defended.
Serious buyer’s remorse here; I voted twice for the guy that that is now vying with Jimmy Carter for worst president. Carter enabled the rise of NazIslamic totalitarianism, but Bush seems to think they deserve a ‘path to citizenship’.


1,659 posted on 06/16/2007 10:30:22 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: MayflowerMadam
MayflowerMadam:Tony Snow made me sick on Laura Ingraham’s show this morning. I used to respect the guy, but he’s just a pathetic panderer. No scruples. At least Laura gave him a rough time and didn’t buy in to the spin. I heard the same broadcast on the big AM1280 The Patriot. I still want to respect the guy, as he doesn't sound sincere in his defense of the travesty of treasonous injustice on the taxpayers, but he still hasn't resigned. If Tony Snow won't resign and repudiate this abomination and treason, then he can go down in history as an abominable traitor to the United States. As craven as, but less courageous than Benedict Arnold. That would actually be a good provisional name for this proposed Amnesty for Foreign Criminal Invaders, The Benedict Arnold Bill.
1,660 posted on 06/16/2007 10:55:21 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: sageb1

In that first picture, it looks like the internationalists are worshipping Tribbles! In the second picture, Vicente Fox is clearly calling the shots, and the Canadian is welcoming Jorge Arbusto into the club as their idiot bag man, with limitless funds stolen from the productive at gunpoint to shower upon illiterate parasite invaders.
If it wasn’t for the Welfare State, this issue wouldn’t be such a big deal, but in the current scheme of American “governance”, every thinking person clearly realizes that if this Benedict Arnold Bill reaches Bush’s desk, he’ll happily consign all legal Americans to 2nd class citizenship.


1,661 posted on 06/16/2007 11:09:25 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: tomnbeverly
tomnbeverly sez: More red meat for the base... You know Conservatives asking Bush to pass a Conservative filled (Border Wall) (Enforce the existing law) standard bill as part of immigration reform with a Democrat controlled Congress, is like the liberals asking Bill Clinton, while mired in the Monica scandal, to attempt and have Congress pass a law that says a women has the right to murder her unborn child up until the day of birth and then getting upset with him when he doesn’t do it. The base in its attempt to hold Bush accountable allows nothing to get done about immigration in the present and if the GOP loses the WH in 08.. Well lets just say you can pretty much bet the Dem bill to “FIX” the Illegal problem is going to make the current one look like it is sponsored by Tom Tancredo. This is a naked and pathetic attempt at the fake "silent amnesty" non-argument advanced by the Benedict Arnold wing of what's left of the GOP. Yeah, we must accept this Bill, or else! Or else what? Geeze. WTF is up w/ some people?
1,662 posted on 06/16/2007 11:39:59 PM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: Chuck Dent
Chuck Dent sez: I think many, many people are beginning to realize this. It is no longer merely about differences in opinion regarding policy issues. Coulter touched on it briefly in a recent column when she alluded to Kennedy's outright disdain & hatred of America. They want to destroy everything this county stands for and believes in. When it dawns on you that our most dangerous enemies aren't practicing Islam, but are actually our elected leaders, what do you do after you mutter "Uh oh"? You're kind of right, but I do believe our most dangerous contemporary enemies, at least the activist/military wing, are committed jihadis. Then you have your idiot sympathizers, as seen @ DU et al. Everything they believe in (publicly funded gay weddings) is directly threatened by Islam, yet the idiots still side with NazIslam, because it's not fascism if non-christian people do it. Then you have the sudden emergence of this incomprehensible and nihilistic faction in the GOP that will stab citizens and taxpayers in the back, virtually stealing the long knife, from the Democrat party. As another poster said in this thread, he or she can take a lot of pain and betrayal, but simply wants an answer to "why?" Someone famous once said something like 'never ascribe to evil that which can be attributed to mere stupidity'. That's a false choice though, history is full of examples where evil, greed, and stupidity happily made common cause.
1,663 posted on 06/17/2007 12:04:24 AM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: kristinn

[“Operation Rollback,” assessed $15,000,000 in civil fines to employers, an amount greater than the sum of administrative fines collected in the previous eight years ]

Dear Nicholas Thompson, Can you not see the irony in that statement??? What the Hell were you guys doing for those eight years? If you’d been enforcing the law during that time, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

I drive through all parts of Las Vegas as part of my business, and I can tell you vast areas of this city are permanently lost - a vast Mexican Barrio filled with llanterias. Jorge Bush would no doubt call me racist, but I speak fluent Spanish and even helped start an Hispanic media concern hear so that doesn’t wash. Even a close Hispanic friend of asks me, why must they be the one who learns Spanish?

Sorry, but this bill needs to die from a thousand slashes of outraged people.


1,664 posted on 06/17/2007 12:56:12 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: mountaineer1997

I would like to agree 100% with:

1) BUILD THE FENCE
2) DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS
3) FINE / PROSECUTE EMPLOYERS BREAKING THE LAW
4) INCREASE BORDER PATROL
5) CONTINUE LEGAL IMMIGRATION
6) DENY ALL FEDERAL FUNDING TO SO-CALLED SANCTUARY CITIES/STATES.

This is the job we expect you to do. Thank you.


1,665 posted on 06/17/2007 12:57:31 AM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: doug from upland
Until the President has proven he has taken his oath of office seriously in this matter, go pound sand.

We disposed of Clinton and get a war, a illegal alien invasion, 4th amendment almost expunged, and the supreme court has destroyed personnel property right with expanded eminent domain laws for private business.

This has been a disastrous 6 years for the constitution and a great 6 years for the Mexican - American oligarchy.

Oops, put away those Mexican flags.

We love America, but not Americans.

I'm living in an freak in American political nightmare.

1,666 posted on 06/17/2007 1:07:57 AM PDT by Major_Risktaker (Global Warming is a cover story for Peak Oil.)
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To: PhiKapMom
PhiKapMom sezNot just the fence — after the fence is built use all the technology available to make a virtual fence so that INS can view the whole length and get agents to areas where they have broken through the fence. We need two fences — one to the north and one to the south. I'm sure you know as well as I that the Leftist RepubliCrat/DemLican traitors that pull the strings of the IRS will never allow a fence to be built. Shame and calumny upon the less-than-worthless Jorge Benedict Arnold Arbusto presidency. As a final check, as if I need to, I'm sure Jimmy Carter is 110% behind it. He'll no longer be America's most reviled ex-president who stabbed the USA every chance he got, that will go to Whore-Hey, aka Jorge Benedict Arnold Bush, slurping burrito in the shadows.
1,667 posted on 06/17/2007 1:10:43 AM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: varon
I would like to point out that the Secretary is authorized to reduce or mitigate penalties. As a reminder of what’s in the bill, fines for hiring an illegal worker are $5,000 maximum per illegal worker for the first offense,………………….. (my emphasis) varon sez: Why should the Secretary be able to reduce or mitigate the amount of fines? Why is the amount listed as “maximum” if it isn’t intended to be misleading as in, “up to”? These fines are meaningless because the employers have saved many times that amount in not having to pay their share of FICA and are probably writing them off as business expenses. This whole thing is a mockery and an insult to the intelligence of the American people!!! So right on. The Left, who have no allegiance to party or nation, are moving to bring down what they perceive to be the greatest threat to collectivism, the citizens and taxpayers of the United States. The MSM once portrayed El Presidente Jorge Benedict Arnold Bush as a conservative, and whined every day about him, but what has Jorge done that's actually conservative? He's been tugging at Ted Kennedy's zipper ever since he was put in office. The Left is much smarter and more insidious than they are given credit for. They were able to elevate a brain dead stab-America-in-the-back traitor to the presidency without having to expend the political capital of nominating their dream candidate, Ward Churchill. Ward Churchill only said Americans who died in 9-11 deserved it, but El Jefe Coyote Jorge wants to do everything possible to ensure it can be repeated against the common citizens and taxpayers he holds as beneath contempt. I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see chief coyote Jorge sign a bill forcing every state honor homos pretending to marry. What a disgusting disgrace the Jorge faction of the GOP has turned out to be.
1,668 posted on 06/17/2007 1:38:05 AM PDT by BloodScarletMinnesota (MPLS STAR-TRIBUNE:America's Most Ridiculed Newspaper)
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To: Cedar
"Stop the New World (B)order!"

Good one, Cedar.

But a little difficult to stop what you can't see, isn't it? ;>

1,669 posted on 06/17/2007 3:31:57 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Cedar
"Stop the New World (B)order!"

Good one, Cedar.

But a little difficult to stop what you can't see, isn't it? ;>

1,670 posted on 06/17/2007 3:33:58 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

People have been conditioned to not see it. That is why it most likely too late. People have been presented with facts, yet they still reject those facts, because they are more afraid of being cast as tin foil kooks. When we all do finally wake up, the battle will be over.

It’s amazing how we would rather act like we just cannot understand something that does not make sense. We keep asking why. Some of the rationalizations I have seen are more kooky than the reality. The reality fills in the empty spaces and we can follow the dots.

Seems the thought conditioning over a period of many years has been very successful. People still believe this could all be party politics and legacy building. If this bill passes, the elections will have very little value.


1,671 posted on 06/17/2007 4:00:38 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota

Horribly plausible.

Not sure what viable patriotic alternatives exist.


1,672 posted on 06/17/2007 4:01:17 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota
Well worth stating again:

You're kind of right, but I do believe our most dangerous contemporary enemies, at least the activist/military wing, are committed jihadis. Then you have your idiot sympathizers, as seen @ DU et al. Everything they believe in (publicly funded gay weddings) is directly threatened by Islam, yet the idiots still side with NazIslam, because it's not fascism if non-christian people do it.

Then you have the sudden emergence of this incomprehensible and nihilistic faction in the GOP that will stab citizens and taxpayers in the back, virtually stealing the long knife, from the Democrat party. As another poster said in this thread, he or she can take a lot of pain and betrayal, but simply wants an answer to "why?" Someone famous once said something like 'never ascribe to evil that which can be attributed to mere stupidity'. That's a false choice though, history is full of examples where evil, greed, and stupidity happily made common cause.

Thanks tons.

1,673 posted on 06/17/2007 4:04:21 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: F15Eagle
Couldn't have said it better, or more clearly and concisely.

Can I say (and fellow FReepers chime in please - as if you wouldn’t, LOL)

1) BUILD THE FENCE
2) DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS
3) FINE / PROSECUTE EMPLOYERS BREAKING THE LAW
4) INCREASE BORDER PATROL
5) CONTINUE LEGAL IMMIGRATION

This is the job we expect you to do. Thank you.

Governing isn't that hard, W. Follow your "Republican" principles and uphold the US Constitution and the laws of the nation. If W really wants to know what is going on, he can try actually engaging the average citizen. He can find many of them on FR. Or, W can stay in DC, surrounded by a treasonous elite in Congress and the assorted alphabet agencies and departments of the Federal government.

Either way, W and his self important minions must realize that the "immigration bill" they slavishly support is a crock, is unacceptable, is bad policy and it will get Republicans nowhere come the November elections.

1,674 posted on 06/17/2007 4:29:04 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota
"Yeah, we must accept this Bill, or else! Or else what? Geeze."

Mama Mia, is Mackey back in town? Oh, wait! I though he was talking about the new Amero. Same difference, though.

;>

1,675 posted on 06/17/2007 4:35:28 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Thumper1960
What you and Eagle15 said.

Nick and the WH still don’t get it.

These people are trying to assuage us by saying they’ll go easy (or easier) on employers who unknowingly break the law?

No one would hire you or me without proof we’re legal? It’s not that hard to show, and if the gvmnt’s docs are easy to fake, fix that in a separate bill, you “comprehensive” buffoons.

And yeah, another big selling point is the part about: first offense pays $5000, second pays ... .... fourth pays $75,000.

Does the bill says what they pay at the 243rd frigging offense?

1,676 posted on 06/17/2007 4:44:54 AM PDT by beckaz (Dump Gonzales Yesterday, and Chertoff too.)
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To: beckaz
You really want to know what happens at the 243rd offense?

Nothing.

Nothing, except another fine. A fine that will be just another cost of doing business. Another cost of doing business that will be passed on to the consumer as higher business costs. Will any officer of a company ever see jail time? Hardly. Plenty of lawyers make good money by keeping dirty little white collar criminals out of the pokey.

One way or the other the average legal citizen will take another shot in the rump.

Bush is well on his way to killing the Republican party. I do hope when his daddy and Bubba Clinton sit down at their politically incestuous chit-chats they'll be satisfied to know that W and Comrade Carter will share the notoriety of being co-holders of most pathetic president in US history.

1,677 posted on 06/17/2007 5:03:29 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: indylindy
"Seems the thought conditioning over a period of many years has been very successful. People still believe this could all be party politics and legacy building. If this bill passes, the elections will have very little value."

Right on all counts, indylindy. The fat lady is warming up in the wings but few realize the warm-up is not the cantada she'll be singing.

1,678 posted on 06/17/2007 5:09:20 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Thumper1960

Agreed.

I’d add that beyond the Rep. party, this bill would damage the whole country by FURTHER undermining the rule of law and setting the stage for the next wave of illegals.

And that this WH hack actually believes his drivel is a winning argument (on FR of all places) shows how SCARINGLY out of touch Bush and his people are.


1,679 posted on 06/17/2007 5:18:12 AM PDT by beckaz (Dump Gonzales Yesterday, and Chertoff too.)
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To: indylindy
Would you believe we still have a few on FR who are still bouncing off the walls here screaming, 'Kook! Kook! Kook?'

That, I believe can be attributed to cognitive dissonance -- holding two diametrically opposed opinions and stumbling around in the twilight zone of indecision, still trying to decide between the red pill or blue pill -- like moths flirting with the flame.

1,680 posted on 06/17/2007 5:22:16 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

There is an article on Drudge from a UK paper. It talks about how they want to make the EU a superstate. Change their Constitution to a treaty in order to bypass the voters.

Its not just happening here. It is happening everywhere. We have been blindsighted and we are still running around looking for reasons other than the obvious.

I rarely argue or discuss it anymore. Maybe after it all comes about, it will finally dawn on people. It won’t matter much then, which is the intention, I guess.


1,681 posted on 06/17/2007 5:33:46 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: indylindy
"Change their Constitution to a treaty in order to bypass the voters."

European nations should have copied our charter while they had the opportunity.

Now we stand alone in the world with the only bullet-proof constitution ever written, which if correctly applied, will keep our nation, our union, our sovereignty, our freedoms and liberties and our borders intact in spite of what the agents of change have in mind for our future.

The big question, of course, is how assertive are we going to have to be to get our officials to apply it correctly? And, of course, the only answer has to be, we will be as assertive as we have to be.

And yes, we're still talking around the edges of this cookie for now.

1,682 posted on 06/17/2007 5:56:30 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Just out of interest, say this bill passes. It passes the Senate, the house and is signed.

How will people react? I wonder. I believe they will be angry and then move on thinking another election and retribution at the polls will make it better. If that is the case, we are doomed.


1,683 posted on 06/17/2007 6:02:14 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: indylindy
That's a good question, indylindy. If it passes, it will pass because the Bill was not subjected to the Enumerated Powers Act or contained a 'constitutional authority' clause. If it passes, it will pass without the blessings of the Constitution, of course, for the Constitution is not a national political suicide note, but instead, a system of governance which will insure that the blessings of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will pass to our posterity.

(I'll continue this later today.)

1,684 posted on 06/17/2007 6:25:43 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota

Nov 2008 cannot come soon enough for me and then Jan 2009! I don’t want anyone elected who has ties to Rove and this Administration especially his nephew George P. Bush. Time to end the ties to Bush/Clinton IMHO!


1,685 posted on 06/17/2007 7:36:19 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: DallasSun
Do you have a mouse in your pocket?


They, DCGov.vermin , have the the one eyed snake in their pockets and they are playing with it way too much
1,686 posted on 06/17/2007 8:15:51 AM PDT by dredhawk
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To: Thumper1960

Thanks! and bump


1,687 posted on 06/17/2007 12:14:02 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: F15Eagle

Please mail your Representatives and Senators, here is the letter i’m snail mail sending to them.

Address needed here

Dear Representative ,

I was for the war until I realized that this AMNESTY bill is being addressed before we have secured our borders. Without secure borders we truly cannot analyze our problem, irresponsible.

Representative from North Carolina have been negligent in their duties. It has now come light that you have not carried your oath of office responsibly. I have lost confidence in your representation and it really doesn’t matter which side of the vote you are on.

You personally neglected your responsibility for not pushing for border protection before we went to war in Afghanistan or Iraq. You silently allowed the president to place border guards in prison when they are trying to do their duty without a word. This is unforgivable. You say you are protecting us by sending our troops to another country, they use their life and you cannot even use your tongue to protect us.

Your commonsense is lacking and again this has been brought to light. I truly feel sorry for your inept abilities and wish you luck in further endeavors.

We need responsibility in Congress.

NO CONFIDENCE

Senators

Senator Burr
217 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING
WASHINGTON DC 20510

Dear Senator Barr,

I was for the war until I realized that this AMNESTY bill is being addressed before we have secured our borders.

You and Mrs Dole have been negligent in your duties as our senator. It has now come light that you have not carried your oath of office responsibly. I have lost confidence in your representation and it really doesn’t matter which side of the vote you are on.

You personally neglected your responsibility for not pushing for border protection before we went to war in Afghanistan or Iraq. You silently allowed the president to place border guards in prison when they are trying to do their duty without a word. This is unforgivable. You say you are protecting us by sending our troops to another country, they use their life and you cannot even use your tongue to protect us.

Your commonsense is lacking and again this has been brought to light. I truly feel sorry for your inept abilities and wish you luck in further endeavors.

We need responsibility in Congress.

NO CONFIDENCE


1,688 posted on 06/17/2007 12:19:38 PM PDT by GoreNoMore
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota

It isn’t fake... It is a real choice... You either take what you got when you can get bipartisan support with enough pressue on GOP politicians to get security built in to the bill or you do what you are doing and run the GOP to ground over it and let it develope into the wedge issue that loses the GOP the WH in 08...

Now if the Dems win the WH in 08 how are they going to fix Illegal Immigration...

Go ahead like the rest of the idots do say something real stupid now like...

“Well Maybe the Democrats will build a wall and not let the illegals have amnesty” Democrat politicians are upset over border security too right?

That tone is pathetic..

The Democrats are loving every minute of this issue... Just like I said during the abortion fight the left hated their Democrat leaders for not forcing the congress to write the law... Their candidates suffered from the abortion wedge issue the Democrats learned how to use the Judicial branch to bypass the Congress to fix that for them ....

So keep on lambasting Bush on this issue you will eventually get what you don’t want... Hard head Conservatives refused to learn from NOV 06...

Just one other point too... The big upset base barely notched his approval numbers over this issue so get over yourselves you are fringe minorities.


1,689 posted on 06/17/2007 3:35:25 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: BloodScarletMinnesota

It isn’t fake... It is a real choice... You either take what you got when you can get bipartisan support with enough pressue on GOP politicians to get security built in to the bill or you do what you are doing and run the GOP to ground over it and let it develope into the wedge issue that loses the GOP the WH in 08...

Now if the Dems win the WH in 08 how are they going to fix Illegal Immigration...

Go ahead like the rest of the idots do say something real stupid now like...

“Well Maybe the Democrats will build a wall and not let the illegals have amnesty” Democrat politicians are upset over border security too right?

That tone is pathetic..

The Democrats are loving every minute of this issue... Just like I said during the abortion fight the left hated their Democrat leaders for not forcing the congress to write the law... Their candidates suffered from the abortion wedge issue the Democrats learned how to use the Judicial branch to bypass the Congress to fix that for them ....

So keep on lambasting Bush on this issue you will eventually get what you don’t want... Hard head Conservatives refused to learn from NOV 06...

Just one other point too... The big upset base barely notched his approval numbers over this issue so get over yourselves you are fringe minorities.


1,690 posted on 06/17/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: PhiKapMom

By the way, a liberal Democrat won a formerly Republican-held seat on the Houston City Council Saturday. Officially, it’s a nonpartisan election. The Demos will benefit big time from the “miserable failures” of GWB.


1,691 posted on 06/17/2007 4:15:59 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: tomnbeverly

It’s hard to defend GWB isn’t it? About all one can say is that a Democrat will be worse, but it could be a tie.


1,692 posted on 06/17/2007 4:17:12 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: PhiKapMom

Somehow, I don’t think Nov. 2008 will be a shining moment for conservaties. We lose no matter what, it seems. Just in the past month, Peggy Noonan and Michael Reagan have come out against GWB. But the congressmen are too shy to speak out, other than Tancredo, who said he wouldn’t have GWB even visit the White House were he the president.


1,693 posted on 06/17/2007 4:20:07 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: PhiKapMom

PhiKapMom has been one of the most loyal Republicans and a strong defender of GWB. It grieves me to see her betrayed this way. I don’t see how GWB talks his way out of this betrayal if he were so inclined.


1,694 posted on 06/17/2007 4:21:36 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: GoreNoMore

I was surprised to learn that Senator Burr is an “open borders” person. On that issue, John Edwards might as well held the seat.


1,695 posted on 06/17/2007 4:22:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: dirtboy
"Free Republic would appreciate the White House taking the opportunity to listen to the overwhelming conservative grassroots opposition to this bill and stop trying to ram this down the throats of conservatives who voted for Bush twice and often were out in the streets supporting the war effort."

That was so very well said. Thank you.

1,696 posted on 06/17/2007 4:28:13 PM PDT by Radix (Claim 10 dependents on your W-2 and have the Gov't struggle to make ends meet.)
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To: Theodore R.

Yes I agree it may well be a tie but then politically the consensus that a tie brings is centrist and is usually the best path for the country.

That said...

I believe that GWB position of going on the offense, against the existential threat that Radical Islam poses, against the free world and in particular against the U.S. as witnessed on 911, transends all other Conservative issues.

The left’s cowardice in the face of the threat shows that they cannot be trusted at this time in our countries history. Heck some them actually think there is no longer any threat and that only our involvement have caused more threat from terrorism against our country...how’s that for extreme backward logic.

My hope is that a majority of Conservatives will see the forest through the trees on this one. My abortion analogy underscores the problem with single issue voters in either political party.

If America says Illegal Immigration is a problem that needs to be addressed then it needs to be fixed now. Stop all this nonsense about we must do it the Conservative only way i.e. enforce existing law and put up a wall. It doesn’t work, never has, and never will that is a bunch of ignorant pepole just laying the problem off to a future president and like I said previously if NOV 06 was any indication of what to expect in 08 well the Conservatives are going to lose a lot more then just the illegal immigration issue.


1,697 posted on 06/17/2007 5:01:52 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: tomnbeverly

“It doesn’t work, never has, and never will”

Who would know? Enforcing the laws has never been tried since Reagans amnesty.


1,698 posted on 06/17/2007 5:11:24 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel

Exactly. Reagan never enforced it, Bush father never did, Clinton never enforced it a Majority Repbulican Congress led by none other then Newt Gingrich did not enforce it, G.W. Bush did not enforce it. 25 years of no enforcement hmm and all of a sudden Conservatives are jumping up and down saying lets try to enforce it and we accuse the Liberals of using emotion to cloud their judgement... lol... So lets just agree that it is an unenforceable law as it is written due to the political climate of Human Compassion that we live in.

If it was enforceable there wouldn’t be 12-14 million illegals here doing the so called jobs americans won’t do. They would be deported already.

So now that logic starts to sink in America agrees there is a problem with this illegal immigration issue and it needs to be fixed... sooner rather then later. So a President that happens to be Republican sits in the WH and offers up a centrist way to fix the problem... Oh yeah I said it FIX. If Conservatives would get off the I only want enforcement of existing broken laws bandwagon they would see that the bill before congress does fix the problem makes it so that illegals are legal (NOT CITIZENS). sure its Amnesty but Being legal now makes those illegals trackable oh so now we get a handle on the masses we can start to deport those that will not comply within the law we can deport those that are criminals we can have a workforce that contributes to the Federal Government in the form of taxes instead of taking only. We can limit the availability of nanny state handouts to these legal but Not Citizens.

But like I said let the Dems solve it... they will make them all citizens with voting rights blah, blah, thus securing that block for future generations... my God can you imagaine that they have 90 percent of the Black and Hispanic vote locked up... If you are a Conservative in that environment why bother going to the polls anymore you simply can’t beat the numbers.


1,699 posted on 06/17/2007 5:28:27 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: kristinn; Jim Robinson; All

I was watching UNITED 93 last night, and I have not stopped crying and yelling in rage at my TV.

How dare these congress people allow our immigration to run amok .. how dare they scoff at us and tell us to shut up .. when they have already forgotten the people WHO DIED TO SAVE YOUR SORRY REAR ENDS.

They don’t deserve OUR VOTES or OUR MONEY .. and until they put America first and not the Mexican govt .. they will get neither from me. And .. I’m not alone in this sentiment.


1,700 posted on 06/17/2007 7:31:51 PM PDT by CyberAnt (What is it about "ILLEGAL" that people don't understand ..??)
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