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Protests at Taverner's Allah in cathedral (Westminster)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/15/nallah115.xml ^ | 15/06/2007 | Jonathan Petre

Posted on 06/15/2007 8:51:44 AM PDT by Blogger

The premiere of a work by the leading composer Sir John Taverner in Westminster Cathedral next week has provoked discord because it glorifies the Muslim deity Allah.

Traditionalist Roman Catholics are planning to converge on the cathedral on Tuesday evening to protest over the work, which includes the singing of the 99 names of Allah.

A number have written to Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the head of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, expressing concern that the Church will be seen to be endorsing the Islamic idea of God.

advertisementBut having failed to halt the concert, dozens are now threatening to picket the cathedral with placards and banners quoting Biblical passages that affirm the divinity of Christ.

Sir John's music featured in the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales, and his new work, The Beautiful Names, was commissioned by his friend the Prince of Wales.

Mgr Mark Langham, the administrator of the cathedral, defended the concert.

He said that it was a musical performance rather than a "liturgical act of worship".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticaholic; brainwashing; britain; cathedral; catholic; greatbritain; indoctrination; islam; johntaverner; muslims; pc; politicalcorrectness; princecharles; romancatholic; uk; westminster; wot

1 posted on 06/15/2007 8:51:46 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

I wish Prince Charles would just convert to Islam publically, so he can get on with living out his “Lawrence of Arabia” fantasy.


2 posted on 06/15/2007 9:14:31 AM PDT by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgar's farm in 1969.)
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To: horse_doc

I agree about the islamic Prince of England, and can you imagine Handel’s Messiah being performed in a mosque?????

hmmmmm?


3 posted on 06/15/2007 9:19:35 AM PDT by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD................)
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To: Blogger

disgusting


4 posted on 06/15/2007 9:21:10 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Blogger

>> He said that it was a musical performance rather than a “liturgical act of worship”. <<

Duh! But cathedrals aren’t concert halls and shouldn’t be used for profane music.


5 posted on 06/15/2007 9:24:58 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: Blogger

I was appalled when I read about this. John Taverner was a Protestant who became Orthodox some years ago, and many of his compositions show the influence of Orthodox church music. However, he seems to have left the Orthodox Church and is now a Muslim or possibly Sufi (a Muslim sect that most Muslims consider heretical, but that is very popular among English intellectuals).

It’s disgusting that the Cathedral would let this piece be performed there. I know it’s not a service, but they can’t possibly innocently proclaim that just because it’s a concert, it “doesn’t count.” Would they let neo-Nazis rent the Cathedral to do German Nazi music, and still assert that it didn’t count?


6 posted on 06/15/2007 9:25:19 AM PDT by livius
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To: Blogger
Not many know this:

Frieze depicts Muhammad among the eighteen 'lawgivers' on wall above the US Supreme Court Justices' Bench.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48695

7 posted on 06/15/2007 9:34:52 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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He said that it was a musical performance rather than a “liturgical act of worship”.

Right, and kiddie porn is art, not a felony. No place for Islam or Allah in a Catholic setting, period.

8 posted on 06/15/2007 9:49:25 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (1) Border security first. 2) Repeat until #1 complete, then resume discussion.)
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To: horse_doc
I wish Prince Charles would just convert to Islam publicaly, so he can get on with living out his “Lawrence of Arabia” fantasy.

No doubt his favorite part is the "Turkish prisoner" part.
9 posted on 06/15/2007 9:52:35 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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I am a musician. I have played a piece by Karl Jenkins called “The Armed Man: A Mass for Peace.” The first time I played it was in a concert hall setting, so the impression of the juxtaposition of the traditional mass with the Islamic call to prayer, among other cultural elements was interesting.

The second time I played it was 9/11 in a Catholic basillica. It was completely different! Having the Islamic call to prayer chanted from where Holy Scripture is usually read was the most sacreligious thing I had ever seen in a church. It was no longer a work of art, it was a religious statement because of where it was performed.

I pray that God give those protesting this work in England strength and lots of publicity.


10 posted on 06/15/2007 10:49:26 AM PDT by freemama
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11 posted on 06/15/2007 10:55:30 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac (95% of all music written after 1960 is utter crap!)
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To: dangus
Duh! But cathedrals aren’t concert halls and shouldn’t be used for profane music.

Don't confuse them with rational arguments.

12 posted on 06/15/2007 11:02:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Frieze depicts Muhammad among the eighteen 'lawgivers' on wall above the US Supreme Court Justices' Bench.

Probably Masonic influenced. They started the "all paths lead to God" crapola. No, some roads lead to hell.

13 posted on 06/15/2007 11:04:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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14 posted on 06/15/2007 11:11:14 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Ironically Muslims would probably find using the name of Allah in a formal musical setting blasphemous and have Taverner promptly beheaded.
15 posted on 06/15/2007 11:21:43 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Blogger

God bless those who are planning to protest!


16 posted on 06/15/2007 11:34:46 AM PDT by good old days
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To: Cindy; Salvation

Ping


17 posted on 06/15/2007 11:58:37 AM PDT by good old days
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Here I thought the Royals were all atwitter at Diana's very close relationship with the Muslim Dodie Fayad. I thought they were experiencing the swoons and vapours at the thought of her marrying him and providing the little princelings with a "heathen" step-father.

I wonder what the Queen thinks of Wales commissioning this work.

We'll see if she's amused or not.

Leni

18 posted on 06/15/2007 12:54:30 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Don't give up the ship. Keep phoning & emailing. Remember, we lost the Alamo!)
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I think the Queen is hanging on because she doesn’t want “Sultan Charles” to end up in charge.


19 posted on 06/15/2007 12:55:48 PM PDT by livius
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I’ve sung the piece the elegy piece by him that I believe was sung at the Diana funeral. It’s called Song for Athene, and it’s absolutely gorgeous. “May flights of angels lead the to thy rest, Alleluia.” One of the priests of the church I was attending saw us in front of the church with music that had the name of a greek god on it and started to have a problem with it until we assured him it was scriptural.


20 posted on 06/15/2007 1:20:52 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: freemama

Yeah, as soon as this is done you’ll have muzzies proclaiming “It’s ours now for all eternity.” Dar es’Salaam. Like if they catch you reciting the shehada you’re supposedly automatically muslim and can never leave upon pain of death.

Ecumenism is bunk. Ecumenism with musslemen is BLASPHEMY.


21 posted on 06/15/2007 1:23:22 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: livius

I don’t think ERII is just “hanging on.” I believe The Queen Mum lived to be 98. I pray Liz has the same longetivity. She may out live Wales, as far as that goes.


22 posted on 06/15/2007 1:25:50 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: ichabod1

Oh, he’s a good composer, that’s not the problem. He may be a flake (and now a Muslim flake) in his personal life, but his music is beautiful. Normally, in fact, one might expect composers, artists, etc. to be a little on the unpredictable side, and doctrinal orthodoxy has never been demanded of the creator of works.

The fault lies with the Cathedral, which should not be permitting a piece that is perceived as being an Islamic work to be performed in the Cathedral. Judging from things that I have seen discussing this matter, even the Muslims (who of course have virtually no music, regard it as demonic and regard the Sufis as heretics) are thrilled by this because they regard it as Christianity somehow “bowing” to Islam. Incidentally, once Islamic prayers are said in a building, the Muslims regard it as their own. So I think this was an extremely foolish thing to do.


23 posted on 06/15/2007 1:28:21 PM PDT by livius
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To: ichabod1

101, actually. Reports were that she also enjoyed a jolly story and a wee dram now and then. Wish she’d lived to set her imbecile grandson straight.


24 posted on 06/15/2007 4:04:44 PM PDT by Tenniel2 (If illegals voted Republican, there'd be a radioactive wall from San Ysidro to Port Isabel.)
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To: Salvation; NYer

I know you folks are more educated on Catholicism than I but this doesn’t pass the smell test to me...


25 posted on 06/15/2007 7:31:27 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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