Skip to comments.Intelligent Design and the Death of the "Junk-DNA" Neo-Darwinian Paradigm
Posted on 06/16/2007 1:09:15 AM PDT by balch3
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So they predicted that there are things that we don’t know and offered no clue as to what they were?...
That’s a brilliant prediction.
Please tell me how, how does one "embrace a result"?
Agree with, yes I'll go with that, but embrace?? come on...
You embrace your wife, your child, your mother/father not a freakin idea/result/(fill in the blank)
In case anyone is curious. A functional definition of Junk DNA is “a section if DNA for which no function is known”.
In other words to “predict” that some of it might do something is not a prediction at all.
Junk DNA: Noncoding regions of DNA that have no apparent function.
The term “junk DNA” is a disparaging one, expressing some of the disappointment felt by geneticists when they first gazed upon sizable segments of the genetic code and, instead of seeing one wonderful gene after another, they saw a few exons surrounded by vast stretches of “junk DNA.”
Exons are the regions of DNA that contain the code for producing the polypeptide molecules that make up protein. Each exon codes for a specific portion of the complete protein. In humans and some other species, the exons are separated by long regions of junk DNA.
However, junk DNA has been found to be even more conserved than protein-coding regions of the DNA in humans and other mammalian species. The extent of conservation indicates that there is some function for junk DNA that remains to be determined. Junk DNA may prove not to be junk.
Not really, the evo answer to the following question is: JUNK
The question: What is this apparently useless chain of DNA?
Evolutionary theory relied on this being true for 50 years now
Creationism never did.
It is another example of genuine science once again proving evolutionary science is JUNK.
More desperate babbling by the ID-iot crowd. “Junk DNA” is a journalists term.
I just cant help but lump evolutionist together with global warming believers, they have their own religion going.
But I guess its simply easier to say "Look, the Scientists were wrong, therefore, it was Adam and Eve afterall!"
All I want to know is, am I their father or not their father!
When I saw “Junk-DNA” in the title I thought that it was an article about the Houston Crime Lab.
4. To take up willingly or eagerly: embrace a social cause.
5. To avail oneself of: "I only regret, in my chilled age, certain occasions and possibilities I didn't embrace" (Henry James).
“Please tell me how, how does one “embrace a result”?
Agree with, yes I’ll go with that, but embrace?? come on...”
I believe it’s an example of analogous predication. In other words, you don’t literally “embrace a result”, rather you assume a relationship with respect to a result that is analogous in some way to the relationship you assume when you physically embrace a loved-one.
I am not an expert in this, but I was always disturbed by the term “junk DNA.” We are only just beginning to understand DNA. It seems presumptous to call a sequence “junk” just because you don’t see its function. To determine that something is useless you first have to know that which is useful. Are the spaces between these words something useful or are they useless? Would someone who was never exposed to reading and writing understand the usefulness of empty spaces between words? Or would the spaces be seen as useless “junk?”
Journalists did not invent the concept of “junk’ DNA. Journalists only repeated what the keepers of the false religion of evolution told them. :)
Another steaming pile from the anti-science Discovery Institute.
If anyone is laboring under the delusion that the Discovery Institute has the furtherance of science anywhere in their thoughts, all they need to do is read the Institute's Wedge Strategy.
And one of the greatest lies is that ID is science. Here is what the wedge document says:
We are building on this momentum, broadening the wedge with a positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID). Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.Get that part, "replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions?" Just think of all the sciences that would be "replaced" under such a system:
Get used to it. Here is a news flash for you: Science is not defined as that which confirms atheistic materialism.
Wow! That makes ID a science! BTW, if a watchmaker makes a watch and leaves it on a beach is it a watch before somebody who knows what a watch is finds it?
William Dembski, Intelligent Design,1999
No, because no one on the side of sanity believed in ‘junk’ DNA, but the evolutionary religion sure did.
==My my. Aren’t we in a tizzy. Your atheistic religious beliefs have been offended.
He’s not an atheist. He worships the Natural Selection god, and Darwin is his prophet.
They're the same thing. Nothing to be ashamed of here. The article also sounds like talking about it is something that should be in the closet like homosexuality. I guess I'm "outed" every time I talk about ID being the same as creationism.
G-d is a hypothesis
==Geology—those fools can’t get the age of the Grand Canyon right. GONE!
==Radiometric dating—those fools can’t get the dating right either. GONE!
It’s impossible to read phrases like “Neo-Darwinian Paradigm” and take the author seriously.
==Biology—they started that evilution stuff and figured out how the eye really developed. GONE!
==Biology—they started that evilution stuff and figured out how the eye really developed. GONE!
then why has it been labeled junk? Now scientists are seeing that there is some function to that part of the dna. In many cases darwinists assume they know and then go out and teach that mislead assumption only to find that they don’t know. Some of the trully most stupid people are those who think they know so much and it has become a way to deny their wordless conscience.
==Paleontology—millions of inconvenient fossils that are all fakes. GONE!
==If anyone is laboring under the delusion that the Discovery Institute has the furtherance of science anywhere in their thoughts, all they need to do is read the Institute’s Wedge Strategy.
Please tell me how, how does one "embrace a result"? Agree with, yes I'll go with that, but embrace?? come on...
It's the touchy-feely cult.
OK, so you have now dismissed Biology, Geology and Chemistry.
Is there any science you do accept?
Sort of confirms my point, eh? If fundamentalists ever take over significant control of this country, I believe many or most sciences will be trashed.
Remember, "Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."
Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.
Sounds to me as though they predicted that the things we don't know are just as important as the things we think we do know.
That it is foolish, in fact dangerous, to ignore them.
And that it is disingenuous to ignore them because the prevailing bias has relegated them to 'junk'.
It might not be brilliant, but it certainly is appropriate.
I have examined a lot of those links, especially in fields I know well. They do not stand up to critical examination.
You are aware, I assume, that many creation "scientists" calibrate the radiocarbon method by reference to a global flood? Some even assume wildly changing rates of beta decay before and after the fall? I am not impressed by that kind of "science."
Actually, if life is designed, then true science is by definition consonant with theistic convictions. Even Richard Dawkins is forced to admit that living things “overwhelmingly impress us with the appearance of design.” In short, ID merely seeks to apply science to the investigation of Dawkin’s very own admission.
I believe this thread is about ID, not Creation Science. And if the links I posted do not stand up to critical examination, feel free to critically examine them.
well, junk is a very predjudiced and inaccurate description of something that scientists are still searching for the function of.
I don’t need to read anymore, actually, for a simple textbook definition can be rewritten by whoever holds the typewriter, and the use of the term has always been more than the simple phrase of “ DNA that exists that we do not know the usage for”, it has always had the context that it is an evolutionary leftover.
Just like the Appendix used to.
And Tonsils, too.
Oh, here’s another inconvenient fossil that has the Church of Darwin’s collective panties in a twist (also see the Carbon 14 link at the bottom...the Darwinist assumptions are piling up faster than geocentric epicycles):
I have posted critiques on many occasions, particularly regarding radiocarbon dating. I have convinced nobody here because in spite of what is claimed, ID is creation "science" with the serial numbers filed off in an attempt to sneak it into science classes.
If ID and creation "science" were about science, then facts, logic, and reason -- scientific evidence -- would prevail. What shows that ID and creation "science" are both religion is that belief (scripture or revelation) prevails over scientific evidence.
Those links you posted are good evidence of this, as are several creationist/creation "science" websites. Look up the Creation Research Society, Institute for Creation Research, Creation Studies Institute, and Answers In Genesis and see what their Statement of Belief, Tenets of Scientific Creationism, Mission, and Statement of Faith are (respectively). I can provide links if you need.
This is good evidence that they are doing religion, not science. They state clearly that religious belief supersedes science.
That is not science, and a critical examination of their writings confirms this.
Fundamentalists take many shapes. Orthodox Environmentalists already control Europe. Radical Darwinists still rule universities and many "respected" publications worldwide, too.
The poor scientist who dares publish DNA code skipping (the death of Evolutionary Theory) will be trashed, just as you predict above, by those entrenched fundamentalists.
intelligent design has made successful predictions on the question of "junk-DNA."
I will accept
"Sounds to me as though they predicted that the things we don't know are just as important as the things we think we do know. That it is foolish, in fact dangerous, to ignore them. And that it is disingenuous to ignore them because the prevailing bias has relegated them to 'junk'."
as fact and be quite happy to do so.