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Immigration bill offers a military path to US dream ("instant legal status")
The Boston Globe ^ | June 16, 2007 | Bryan Bender

Posted on 06/16/2007 8:41:46 AM PDT by BornInASmallTown

WASHINGTON -- A little-noticed provision in the proposed immigration bill would grant instant legal status and ultimately full citizenship to illegal immigrants if they enlist in the US military, an idea the Pentagon and military analysts say would boost the Pentagon's flagging efforts to find and recruit qualified soldiers.

The Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act, or DREAM Act, is part of the stalled package of proposals that many in Congress are seeking to resurrect. The proposal, applicable to an estimated 750,000 undocumented residents of military age, stipulates that those who arrived in the United States before age 16, graduated from high school, and meet other qualifications could immediately enter the path to citizenship in exchange for at least two years' service in the armed forces.

Though the overall immigration bill was sidetracked earlier this month amid bitter infighting, the prospect of using military service as one pathway to citizenship appeals both to lawmakers who side with immigration rights advocates and those who want tougher immigration laws and tighter borders.

The prospect of recruiting foreigners to defend the United States has been a charged issue in the past. The Pentagon, for example, has opposed several proposals from leading defense specialists to recruit troops overseas -- a move critics liken to hiring mercenaries. Using the military service option for select illegal immigrants, however, appears to have widespread support as one way to deal with the burgeoning illegal immigration problem.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; noamnestyforillegals
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1 posted on 06/16/2007 8:41:51 AM PDT by BornInASmallTown
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To: BornInASmallTown
Don't be surprised if friendly fire incidents increase.
3 posted on 06/16/2007 8:45:00 AM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (God is not a God of fear, but of power, love and a sane mind.)
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To: BornInASmallTown

If you don’t support amnesty you want America to lose!!!!

[/pro amnesty spinmeister mode]


4 posted on 06/16/2007 8:45:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: JackRyanCIA
LMFAO

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

5 posted on 06/16/2007 8:47:06 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Have to teach them English first.

The Army's Gangbanger Division.

6 posted on 06/16/2007 8:48:18 AM PDT by cryptotech (End the OCCUPATION - Build the Wall -- Deport them ALL)
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To: BornInASmallTown

I’m not particularly opposed to this provision. Foreigners who are willing to give their lives for this country should be granted citizenship at the end of their service.


7 posted on 06/16/2007 8:48:20 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

We already allow legal non citizen residents serve.


8 posted on 06/16/2007 8:50:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: BornInASmallTown

It also woudl grant their dependents full benefits and give them the right to bring their relatives into the country.


9 posted on 06/16/2007 8:51:01 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: BornInASmallTown
I would have to question the priorities/motives of an immigrant service member.

Citizens fight their country. Which country does the illegal serve?

Rome tried this also - you see how that turned out.

10 posted on 06/16/2007 8:54:38 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (I Relieve Myself In Islam's General Direction While I Deny Global Warming.)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Oh great! Now let’s give them guns and training.

Actually, it works pretty well. My father-in-law became a US citizen by serving in the US Navy against the Japanese in WWII. He was so proud to be an American and raised his kids that way. If you wanted to assimilate a lot of folks fast (and turn them into conservative voters), that would be a really good way to do it.

It's one of the first things I have heard that I like about the bill.

11 posted on 06/16/2007 8:56:48 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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“I’m not particularly opposed to this provision. Foreigners who are willing to give their lives for this country should be granted citizenship at the end of their service.”

I’m with you, if they’re willing to pay the price of citizenship in America, they’re welcome. This is one provision of that bill that doesn’t constitute amnesty.

Of course, as a former draftee, I support return of the draft for all Americans as well.

12 posted on 06/16/2007 8:56:52 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: BornInASmallTown; JackRyanCIA
Yeah, swell. And what will be the cost to taxpayers for a fully bilingual DoD support infrastructure?

Since English isn't mandatory, we just can't hurt anybodys' feelings, can we???? [/sarc]

13 posted on 06/16/2007 8:57:34 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Why canít we start solving the problem by breaking up Big Government?"- MortMan)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


14 posted on 06/16/2007 9:01:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: vetsvette
Of course, as a former draftee, I support return of the draft for all Americans as well.

That option should only be reserved for wars in which the United States itself is under attack or invasion.

Hmmm. Maybe we should draft border guards.

15 posted on 06/16/2007 9:04:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: BornInASmallTown

just like the Irish in the Civil War.


16 posted on 06/16/2007 9:05:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: BornInASmallTown

A pathway to cannon fodder


17 posted on 06/16/2007 9:07:20 AM PDT by dennisw (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction)
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To: BornInASmallTown

This is perverted.


18 posted on 06/16/2007 9:11:56 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: 3AngelaD
It would also give them a military ID (soldier and dependents) and then really don't need a 'Z' Visa. Also it would require full data and identification on dependents and medical info (to include DNA) on the soldier. Plus many may actually end up living in base housing or in locations registered with the Branch of Service/Unit, to be able to find the service member. Kinda give the government a bit more control over what INS actually has on those in the system.

I use soldier for all: Soldier, Sailor, Marine, Airman, Guardsman and Coast Guardsman.

I do agree that after their commitment is fulfilled then they would be eligible for naturalized citizenship. One thing that might be interesting is if the commitment (6 years for most on initial enlistment) would equal the time for others (non-enlistees) to reach naturalization status. Parallel tracks so to speak.

Being a member of the military entitles you to certain benefits (a cot, 4 squares/day, Tricare). That said I don't know if you could exclude the enlistee or dependents, if the individual has them when he/she enlists, even if they are immigrants (illegal or legal), from Tricare. I wonder if it would mean lengthening Basic Training and Advanced Training to longer periods (like it use to be) to handle the influx of non-English speaking troops? Logically I would think yes, but bureaucratic thinking isn't logical.

I'm not sure this would be the chosen path for a large number here anyway. From what I've read many don't want eventual citizenship anyway. They just want the money. I wonder if they just want the money, do they want their family here. Possibly not.

I would be more inclined to support an illegal joining the military and working toward full status than this cockamamie AMNESTY plan. Good post, thought provoking ... it has it's bumps to work out.
20 posted on 06/16/2007 9:12:09 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: BornInASmallTown

>>A little-noticed provision in the proposed immigration bill would grant instant legal status<<

They already get “instant legal status” without any military service in the amnesty bill. It seems to me that the “instant amnesty” in the bill would actually remove that incentive for illegals to serve.


21 posted on 06/16/2007 9:12:44 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: BornInASmallTown
This doesn't bother me.

This is earned citizenship.

22 posted on 06/16/2007 9:14:23 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JackRyanCIA
Yeah man. That includes OTMs also, like Muslims etc. I think it’s absolutely moromic. But we have guys like you that think it’s cool, so it must be.

That's a good point--I hadn't thought through the Muslim issue. As long as we pretend Muslims are the same as everyone else, it's a big problem.

It's a pity that an approach that works really well for assimilating almost every group would be torched because of legitimate concerns that Muslims would abuse it.

So I amend my earlier answer. I think its a good idea as long as we exclude Muslims.

23 posted on 06/16/2007 9:16:25 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: JackRyanCIA
I don't oppose awarding citizenship for immigrants who serve in our military. I think they need to be legal immigrants.

Maybe legal immigrants need 2 years. Illegal immigrants that make it to a recruiter and are safe in the sancuary of Camp Lejeune or Twentynine Palms before the ICE deportation crew gets them, they have to serve at least 4 years.

25 posted on 06/16/2007 9:22:15 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: BornInASmallTown

750,000? Hmmmmm?

How soon can we get them trained and lined up on the Iranian border?


26 posted on 06/16/2007 9:26:18 AM PDT by wolfcreek (AMNESTY: See what BROWN can do for you..)
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To: expatguy

“Al Qaeda and the world know fully well of our porous land border and the lack of resolve we have in securing it and our day of reckoning is coming soon. This time around we will have no one to blame but ourselves.”

You nailed it!


29 posted on 06/16/2007 9:29:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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“They are trespassers. We haven’t a clue who they are.

We ain’t talking about a rational number of immigrants, we are talking about a whole shit load of trespassers. Many of which hate America. There are a million score of these cockroaches that have invaded us. Give then citizenship via military service and we have the Mexican Army here, defending us. What in the hell is wrong with you people? You take stupid pills or what?”

Good point!!


30 posted on 06/16/2007 9:33:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: JackRyanCIA

“Oh great! Now let’s give them guns and training”

Next Bush will want the illegals to police the borders........

ROTFLMAO!!


31 posted on 06/16/2007 9:35:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: BornInASmallTown
little-noticed provision in the proposed immigration bill would grant instant legal status and ultimately full citizenship to illegal immigrants if they enlist in the US military, an idea the Pentagon and military analysts say would boost the Pentagon's flagging efforts to find and recruit qualified soldiers

Most of them are high school dropouts and don't speak English. The idea that the miliary is salivating over this new source of volunteers is nonsense.

32 posted on 06/16/2007 9:36:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: vetsvette

In Mexico, this is quite widely known.


34 posted on 06/16/2007 9:43:19 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: BornInASmallTown

There was a program of this sort in 1974 when I enlisted. A soldier I knew in basic was from the Phillipines, and was expecting to become a citizen at the end of his enlistment.

This is a GOOD idea amid a plethora of horrible ones in the amnesty bill.


35 posted on 06/16/2007 9:43:42 AM PDT by jimt
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We already do this. If you pick this bill apart you can find a few good things but look what else has to go with it. Funny, they blow their horn about this but don’t mention anything about the bad stuff we aren’t supposed to know about. I would be ok with this if it stood on it’s own but not if it is included in their precious bill.
36 posted on 06/16/2007 9:44:06 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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This is a GOOD idea amid a plethora of horrible ones in the amnesty bill.

The Romans used to think so too.

38 posted on 06/16/2007 9:48:38 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: BornInASmallTown
LOL so let me get this right we will make them legal then eventually they will be assigned to the national guard which in turn will help protect our southern borders???? I do not think so!
40 posted on 06/16/2007 9:51:32 AM PDT by Shots (If you see Known Illegal Immigrants it is your civic duty to report them)
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To: ModelBreaker
My father-in-law became a US citizen by serving in the US Navy against the Japanese in WWII.

Let's not blur the distinction between legal and illegal immigration.

I'm presuming that your father-in-law was a legal immigrant when he joined the Navy. Many legal immigrants have taken this route to citizenship and I have no problem with that whatsoever. I think that anyone who's willing to serve in the military should get a bump ahead of those who aren't willing to.

OTOH, I don't think that the opportunity to join the US military should be made available to illegal immigrants.

41 posted on 06/16/2007 9:54:06 AM PDT by Bob
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To: BornInASmallTown

What a perfect setup for terrorists, drug dealers, and assorted deviants.


42 posted on 06/16/2007 9:56:10 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Would you believe that some already do police our borders? Yup saw a story not too long ago where it mentioned one or two bortder agents who were caught that were here illegally in the employ of non other then ICE.


43 posted on 06/16/2007 9:58:45 AM PDT by Shots (If you see Known Illegal Immigrants it is your civic duty to report them)
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Some were able to get in, illegally. Usually they aren’t outed until it’s time for SS. Then you have an old vet, with a wall of ribbons, proudly waving a US flag. We have to look at heros individually, I think.
44 posted on 06/16/2007 10:03:57 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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Good post.


45 posted on 06/16/2007 10:05:34 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Shots

After we have the border secured, and criminals deported, this could be an option for young adults that were raised here and believe they are Americans. We are no where near though.


46 posted on 06/16/2007 10:06:22 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
After we have the border secured, and criminals deported, this could be an option for young adults that were raised here and believe they are Americans. We are no where near though

Sanest comment on this thread.

47 posted on 06/16/2007 10:08:44 AM PDT by free me (Enforce the borders, then we'll talk...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Bush might just do that. I don’t know if he is mentally ill or evil, but he obsession with illegal aliens is scary.


48 posted on 06/16/2007 10:14:01 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: BornInASmallTown

It will give the globalists a military who will shoot American citizens when they get uppity.

Right now, they can’t depend on the military to do that.


49 posted on 06/16/2007 10:16:42 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (!)
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To: free me

The sanest comment on this thread was pulled.


50 posted on 06/16/2007 10:19:44 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (!)
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