Skip to comments.Exclusive: Shocking finding on US Department of State Website - Questions on Amnesty.
Posted on 06/16/2007 3:08:21 PM PDT by jedward
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You don’t seem to understand the role of the State Department. As someone who has worked in the State Department for 28 years, I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.
Well good, maybe I can learn something from you. Please answer my question using your argument.
What is your question?
“Ok, then Ill use your argument. Why is the US listed with OAS at all? Are we confused about who we do relations with?”
1st Question in post 42. Are you reading anything...or just yapping at the jaws. You’ve got 28 years under your belt, so I want to learn from you.
Maybe you should have passed out little pamphlets to explain the irony : )
“P.S. In support of your idea that this links in with amnesty and the weakening of sovereignty, the website does advertise a Spanish version.”
As a follow-up, and this thread will prove why we are where we are and with near certainty, where we are going...not to return. Too far gone? Probably.
Cliff notes, the rude one’s didn’t even read the last paragraph in red.
The State Department web site does have a section titled U.S. Life, Culture and History, and many policy statements are published in Current Issues. Perhaps those links contain the information you're searching for.
Well, I appreciate the time it took you to put that together. :>)
LOL, a diplomat you ain't, newbie.
Why is the US listed with OAS at all?
Because we are a member of OAS. Check out the first link I provided you in post #50. It describes our mission to the OAS and its history. "OAS was established April 14, 1890, as the International Union of American Republics. Became the Pan American Union in 1910, then the Organization of American States in 1948 with the adoption of the OAS Charter in Bogotá, Colombia." Also check out the second link, which is the official OAS website. Check out the mission of OAS and what its functions are.
Are we confused about who we do relations with?
No, are you? OAS is an international organization similar to NATO, the UN, etc. We are members of these multilateral organizations and have permanent representation with them. The only confusion seems to rest with you.
Fred Thompson is Chairman of Condoleeza Rices International Security Advisory Board in the State Dept.
Duncan Hunter is a Vietnam combat veteran. He was a member of the 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers. He earned a Bronze Star and was Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, until the Democrat majority was voted in during the 2006 election. Congressman Hunter continues to work in the Armed Services Committee. Our nations defense and strength are his highest prioritiesnot special interests.
Perhaps you can pass this little suggestion along to your webmaster then. -- In the alphabetical list of countries, which by all indications is meant to include all countries, put the USA in as well. Create a real simple graphic map, like the ones for all the other countries, and put in a page of background information -- the same kind of stuff as in the other country background pages. Simple, non controversial stuff like the form of our government, the population, etc. Then when people from around the world end up at the State Department web site's country list they'll find the USA there too -- which will make them happy since they might want to learn about our country.
“LOL, a diplomat you ain’t, newbie.”
No, your exactly right. A diplomat I ain’t and you “diplomats” have done one hell of job running a great country into the ground. When you tell me you have 28 years in the State Department, I think, that’s not something I’d be running around and telling anyone.
“Because we are a member of OAS.”
I used your argument about the US not needing to be listed at all, and you still can’t even defend your original position. Your diplomat qualities are showing.
“No, are you?”
Go back and read, that was your original argument that you tripped all over.
“OAS is an international organization similar to NATO, the UN, etc. We are members of these multilateral organizations and have permanent representation with them. The only confusion seems to rest with you.”
THANK YOU!!! Now I encourage EVERYONE to read what you wrote there. If you support our bowing to the UN or any other world bodies, then I’ll gladly not bother posting to you, as you surely don’t “get it”.
No prob. The picture is so big, and we’re so far along, but I thought it would be enlightening to a few at least. Wasn’t intended to bring out any certain group.
That’s a good idea freeandfreezing.
“Our nations defense and strength are his highest prioritiesnot special interests.”
Then he’s got his priorities straight. Glad to hear it.
You get it! Yea!!! :)
I am proud of my service and the people who served with me, sometimes in dangerous and difficult circumstances. What have you done for God and country?
I used your argument about the US not needing to be listed at all, and you still cant even defend your original position. Your diplomat qualities are showing.
Are you on drugs? The US is listed as a member of OAS. What is your problem?
If you support our bowing to the UN or any other world bodies, then Ill gladly not bother posting to you, as you surely dont get it.
We are not bowing to anyone. Our membership is voluntary and so is any compliance with any of the international organizations' rulings, determingations, etc. I still have a hard time understanding what your beef is. Your incoherent natterings are not worthy of my time. I provided you the answer to your questions twice. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.
“You seem to have a reading comprehension problem.”
Sorry there Diplomat, but you’re the one who didn’t read anything before you started popping off at the mouth, and you got hammered for it.
Dangerous and difficult, yeah, I know your history.
“Are you on drugs? The US is listed as a member of OAS. What is your problem?”
You cannot read or defend you position. That’s not MY problem, but I’m definately dealing with its effects.
“I still have a hard time understanding what your beef is.”
Do you support Amnesty? If not, please tell me why.
This article is retarded. Only someone who knows absolutely nothing about the function of the State Department would go to that website to "learn about the United States". Try a library.
No, I don’t support amnesty. And you are madder than a March hare.
“This article is retarded.”
That seems to be the feeling of a decent handful for sure. You’re not alone.
“No, I dont support amnesty. And you are madder than a March hare.”
The second part of my question was, “and if not, please tell me why?” Will you please tell me why you don’t support Amnesty. Just a simple answer and leave you be.
and leave = and I’ll leave
Just acronyms for the history books really, and depressing indeed. This is what the Senators are bucking up against, and to hell with those who cave. The one’s who fight Amnesty will always have my respect.
but if the State Department is responsible for foreign relations are they not responsible for telling foreign entities who and what they represent?
If not, just which department of the government sitting astride those 50 listed states IS responsible for advising outsiders about America (and not about some vague collection of other states situated in 'the Americas' and including the USA only by inference).
Would a Somali seeking to understand anything about America go to the DOD?
Would they learn about America by noting it's feel good relationships with Belize?
Like altogether too many websites we are invited to visit - this sounds like a PR event for people who believe only in symbolic, costly but pointless, and politically correct points.
Value, none / Viewpoint, someone else's / Expectations, met.
you've missed it.
It’s been blurred for so long that it’s virtually transparent WB. They read the first few sentences and think...”oh, I’ll show my brilliance here” (lol).
Funny thing too, every single link provided came off the DOS website (shaking head)
The guy on post 70 has a grasp on it though.
“this sounds like a PR event for people who believe only in symbolic, costly but pointless, and politically correct points.”
I wish it were just a PR thing, but sadly the slow but steady dissolution of the United States, is indeed perceived as just that.
If it wasn’t sarcasm...hard to tell :)
Sarcasm or not, he drilled it.
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Yep, and someone’s reading it.
That the dept of state is anti-American comes as a shock to you? That the UN, OAS, NAU, WTO, and all the rest chip away at our sovereignty and the state dept supports them comes as a shock to you? Besides the trivial connection of amnesty being another elitist way to undermine America, what other shocking connections can you think of? Maybe you and edwards need to go out more.
It is not the purpose of the State Department website to educate people about the US.
Then why bother having it? A lot of its content sure seems to be intended to educate people about the US, I guess the editor didn't get the memo saying "Don't do anything to educate people about the US".
Basic web design and/or marketing concepts indicate that "brand" reinforcement is important. As an example, that's why the top of the first page of the State Department web site uses an image of the American flag, and why a picture of Secretary Rice appears. By the same logic providing a brief introduction to our nation in the section which is an A-Z listing of countries seems to make sense. After all, wouldn't you expect an A-Z listing of baseball teams to include the New York Yankees, even if the web site was in New York?
Help me understand how to answer those that say “What does this have to do with Amnesty”. I really have a hard time answering those, as it seems obvious to me. Above is entire reason to grant Amnesty, Amnesty is the continued fuel to keep us churning towards the same result as Western Europe.
“Maybe you and edwards need to go out more.”
Was that in reference me?
Are you logged in?
You’re right, and it makes sense to me.
Hang on, let me check...
ok, yep...I’m logged on. If you want to refer to me as edwards, go ahead, I just need to know in advance. I don’t want to miss you posts about me.
Sorry about that, that’s an old reference, probably before your time. Welcome to FR, stick around, post some more. I would humbly suggest finding some current news articles that support your position or perhaps a good editorial against the amnesty or the dilution of American sovereignty in general.
The United States is not listed because people in the United States do not request information from the State Department to travel to the United States.”
So, other countries see a different US Department of State web page?
“Besides the trivial connection of amnesty”
Just a trivial connection hugh (lol). Did you think I was really shocked? Surely not. The MSM plays with titles as they feed us garbage on a daily basis, I figured I’d use the same technique to draw in a few views. Are you not aware that the Articles posted at FreeRepublic are aggregated as news to the “outside world”, you know...that place you think I need to get out to more?
If by some chance the Amnesty bill passes and everyone wonders how the hell 75% or whatever the latest poll shows, of Amercians don’t support the move could still get passed...at least they have a thread they can come back to and think about what the members of Congress were bucking up against. That should make you even more proud of those that vote against it.
Also, my first post clearly stated that it would be news to some, no not all. You must have fallen into the “not all” category and took it upon yourself to bash others as if you had some special advanced knowledge about something that been occuring for over 100 years. Sorry, I’m not impressed.