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Posted on 06/17/2007 6:54:37 PM PDT by Rodney King
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Sorry, I tend to lash out and insult people who directly insult me. One of my failings as a human.
You seem sincere and sober, so I’ll answer you in kind.
“All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.”
This does not allow for all flesh having evolved from one organism.
Sorry, my computer is archaic! I can’t respond any faster. Perhaps you could dictate a moral law then, since God’s is obsolete.
As for the difference between the koran and the scriptures, the cross (a symbol of God the Son dying for His people) and the man on a white horse with a sword(believe in what I say or die) would be a start.
If believing in the infallibility of the Scriptures, repenting and believing is wrong in the end, I won’t have lost much. However, if unbelief is wrong in the end, then all is lost.
No, but my best friend was.
I appreciate your apology. No, you didn’t really offend me, but thank you for the apology. I have found that respecting others religious beliefs, and asking them to respect yours is about the only way to have a civil discussion on religion. Have a good evening.
I don’t see where I said God’s law is obsolete. I have merely said that a literal interpretation of the Bible is incorrect and any rational person will concede that the Bible (especially the old testament) is not literal truth.
I won’t even go into the development of the Bible by the Catholic Church in the middle ages or the earlier decisions by scholars of the Torah who decided which works should or should not be included.
What is important is that Jesus existed and what he taught. That’s it that is all that is important. The Fact of Jesus does not even need the Torah, the old testament, or even the Jewish faith at all. it is sufficient that Christ existed.
The old testament is unfortunate in many ways and is like a stone tied around the neck of Christianity allowing many of it’s literal adherents to keep a large portion of Christians mired in medieval dogma better suited to an age of superstition.
Note that the date of the column is 2004. Farrah’s “nationally syndicated” (and obviously much listened-to) radio show went belly up in 2005. Why we’re paying this clown any attention at all is beyond me.
Thank you and yes, I am sincere and sober. I see where you are coming from.
I also see that God allows a seed (one body) to become a plant (another body). “37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.”
Your interpretation may be right. However, reasonable Christians could also believe that the seed turning into plant could be similar to the reptiles turning into birds. IMO the important thing in this scripture is that Jesus conquers death. We live forever through him. It makes the entire evolution debate seem kind of insignificant.
Look; the one thing I have to say about your view (and I don’t doubt your sincerity as a Christian, or that God has renewed you through The Holy Spirit, through belief in His son, as your savior), but I HAVE TO SINCERELY ASK:
Question: How can you claim to believe in Christ’s miracles in the Gospels, the power of God (Through the H.S.) to conduct miracles with NT Believers, OT Prophetic miracles (AND even Propocies Fulfilled!), and then Deny God’s power in Genesis..?
At least how don’t you believe these other examples are “allegory”, but WILL assign it to Genesis..? They are mutally exclusive!
One has lied (Either the Bible is correct: fully, which was referenced as having been true; Aka literal in the NT by several (The Apostle Paul included; I believe..).
Or the “darwinists” have lied (or been mistaken).
Once again I am NOT questioning your Christianity, in fact I probably believe you ARE a True Christian, but I do question your faith in the “scientific theory- theocratic evolution”..in light of the true claims of scripture.
What was the title of your uncle’s thesis and at what school did he defend it? What are some of the papers he wrote?
And don’t be intimidated by the blow hard, intellectual pipsqueaks who bluster and bully people in order to disguise the fact that they’ve had almost 150 to prove their bogus theory and they have abjectly failed to do so.
I understand all the development and translations which took place in church history. I also don’t take all things in the Bible (Old and New) as literally. (Jesus said “I am the door”)
However, the Old Testement does contain deep truths of God, historical facts, examples for us etc..... and cannot be shrugged off as a burden.
That being said, “We see through a glass darkly, but then face to face”. have a good night.
Your best friend was what?
I love it when people post all these absolutes about how evolution is a conspiracy or that there is absolutely no proof. Gotta love someone with such faith and so little vision. You do know the Internet was created by those same conspirators who made up evolution to destroy Christianity. Maybe you need to think on that a bit and throw the devil’s computer away. Superstitions and conspiracy same side of the coin but different names for a different time.
Like what? Name one shred of actual "evidence" for Evolution. Just one. Any one. Please.
“The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.”
Most likely is that there were a few large (by human standards) lizards roaming about when human kind was becoming a powerful force. This could be where the legends of dragons come from. I’m not saying this is what I believe happened, only that it may have.
“In fact, I’m not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!”
They’re not. Crocodiles. Alligators...some of the larger snakes possibly. T-REX? Not likely.
If you don’t take all things in the Bible as literal why would you possibly take the Genesis account of creation as anything but an allegory. It has all the earmarks of one. All evidence shows the earth is much much older than 6,000 years and there is no reason you can’t believe in Christ and scientific reality at the same time. I would dare say God wants man to be rational not a superstitious savage.
“There are also countless contemporary sightings of what appear to be pterodactyls in Asia and Africa.”
Ok then. The author is a fruitbat.
Joseph Farah, nobody cares what you believe. If your beliefs were a little less preposterous, maybe they might.
“prove their bogus theory’
Did you know there is a theory of gravity? Like all theories, it has not been proven, yet gravity exists. As a matter of fact, Einstein’s theories of relativity required a change in the theory of gravity because they accurately predicted things gravity was later discovered to actually do.
The theory of evolution is the best explanation so far of the fact of evolution. If you believe nothing evolves, that’s one thing. To challenge a theory of something you think isn’t even real seems like a waste of your time.
To think the scientific method, so successful in practice, is incompetent at dealing with biology because it infringes on the beliefs of ancient desert dwellers surely strains the brain.
Ask Joe Farah. It’s his article and his acknowledgement of mountains of evidence.
Not really worried about your ilk destroying Christianity.
I believe it. And I am a conservative and a Catholic. I teach all of my five children the truth, "Evolution Happens." Your story wastes our time. Can't you discuss this in your bible study class?? We're busy here with more important matters.
Obviously not to be taken literally. Intended meaning- to shrug off the contents as unquestionally binding, absolute truth- bearing on all men universally- then it is no longer the Bible.
If my belief is -one word in the Scriptures is not God breathed, then I become God-I have written my own Bible.
I thought it was the Law Of Gravity.
I can't speak for Christians, but Jewish scholars of all demonations have tended to view Genesis as allegory for at least a thousand years. This is why even the most Orthodox have tended not to see a conflict with evolution. A minority of the Orthodox (and a miniscule minority of the overall Jewish population) do cling to creationism, but even they don't take Genesis as a strictly literal accounting. I would be shocked if there were a dozen Jews on the planet who believed the earth was 6000 years old.
Now maybe the Jews are crazy... after all, what could Jews possibly know about the Torah?
But I am worried about your ilk helping to damn people to Hell
Don’t worry. Be happy.
The law of gravity is simply the observation that if you drop something, it will hit the ground. It doesn't explain why that happens, nor does it explain how that happens, nor does it predict the gravitational pull two objects will exert upon each other. That things tend to fall is the Law -- everything else is gravitational Theory. And say what you want about gravitational Theory, it sure ain't bunk.
Cut the Gordian knot. Google law of gravity and theory of gravity as phrases. See which gets the most hits...
Evolution is the process by which God made man.
I firmly believe in both creationism and evolution.
Are you telling me that natural selection isn’t observable in nature and cannot produce different species?
Sorry but you and your flawed beliefs turn people from Christ and cause many people to rightly see christianity as a whole as little better than a bunch of superstitious primitives. Evolve a little bit and come into the 21st century leave the superstitions in the dark ages where they belong.
My take on legends of dragons is that when primitive people found fossils of big strange-looking animals, they made up stories to explain them.
The second I hit post, I knew what was coming! The problem with that, is that the Creation accounts are written very clearly grammatically. Simply the evening and the morning was the first day and so on. Your belief in the intepetation of Scripture must 1. be to let Scripture interpet Scripture. All things must be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Science will not save us, nor has it addressed social problems. God created, because He said He created.
Is gravity a theory or a law?
“In fact If anything Jesus told his followers to view the Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.”
Really? And where is it written that the ten commandments are just suggestions now? Jesus came not to replace the Mosaic Law but to provide the ultimate loophole. Check out 1 John 1:9.
OK here goes. If you get flu shots, you know that you have to get a new one every year. Why? Because new strains of the virus evolve so rapidly that revaccination with reformulated vaccine is necessary.
The world was recently focused on the story of the man with extremely drug-resistant TB. Drug-resistant strains of bacteria are another example of evolution in action. Strains with mutations that confer resistance to available drugs flourish. If, by contrast, you found that disease-causing microorganisms became more sensitive to drugs that kill them over time, that would be contrary to the concept of natural selection and call the theory into question.
To the best of my knowledge, this has never happened. But contrary to what is claimed, it would get no shortage of attention if it did.
“Is gravity a theory or a law?”
We’d both agree gravity is a fact.
The law of gravity probably says things with mass attract.
The theory of gravity attempts to explain why. Gravitons are part of the theory of gravity. No one has ever seen a graviton, which is postulated to carry the force of gravity.
But the theory predicts gravitons. When we find them, the theory is strengthened.... but what if we don’t? The law still applies, though.
Therefore; Not believeing in God is devolution...
Darwin and Dawkins are under evolved..
(glasses to end of nose)... WHAT?...
Okay, gravity is a fact and, conversely, evolution is a theory.
“My take on legends of dragons is that when primitive people found fossils of big strange-looking animals, they made up stories to explain them.”
I thought about that too, and it is just as likely if not more so.
Evolution is also a fact.
The theory of evolution, as with the theory of gravity, is an attempt to discern how it works.
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