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Why I believe in Creation
Worlnetdaily ^ | 12/17/2004 | joe farah

Posted on 06/17/2007 6:54:37 PM PDT by Rodney King

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To: Cedric
Right. That’s why God, literally, dictated the Torah to Moses letter-by-letter.

How do you know? Were you there?
101 posted on 06/17/2007 9:26:52 PM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: sentis1

Sorry, I tend to lash out and insult people who directly insult me. One of my failings as a human.


102 posted on 06/17/2007 9:28:40 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: ga medic

You seem sincere and sober, so I’ll answer you in kind.

“All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.”

This does not allow for all flesh having evolved from one organism.


103 posted on 06/17/2007 9:29:18 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

Sorry, my computer is archaic! I can’t respond any faster. Perhaps you could dictate a moral law then, since God’s is obsolete.

As for the difference between the koran and the scriptures, the cross (a symbol of God the Son dying for His people) and the man on a white horse with a sword(believe in what I say or die) would be a start.

If believing in the infallibility of the Scriptures, repenting and believing is wrong in the end, I won’t have lost much. However, if unbelief is wrong in the end, then all is lost.


104 posted on 06/17/2007 9:30:04 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: Coyoteman
Thanks. I couldn't find what I was looking for, but the sentence below hints at it. What I was looking for spelled out his ground rules for falsification. It was a specific statistical criterion which supposedly could legitimize the rejection of a piece evidence which if accepted would falsify an evolutianary hypothesis.

The validity of a hypothesis does not stand or fall based on just a few confirmations or contradictions, but on the totality of the evidence. Link here. The rest of that paragraph doesn't apply; it deals with missing evidence later found.
105 posted on 06/17/2007 9:30:55 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: BigTom85

No, but my best friend was.


106 posted on 06/17/2007 9:31:04 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: quiverfull

I appreciate your apology. No, you didn’t really offend me, but thank you for the apology. I have found that respecting others religious beliefs, and asking them to respect yours is about the only way to have a civil discussion on religion. Have a good evening.


107 posted on 06/17/2007 9:31:07 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: quiverfull

I don’t see where I said God’s law is obsolete. I have merely said that a literal interpretation of the Bible is incorrect and any rational person will concede that the Bible (especially the old testament) is not literal truth.

I won’t even go into the development of the Bible by the Catholic Church in the middle ages or the earlier decisions by scholars of the Torah who decided which works should or should not be included.

What is important is that Jesus existed and what he taught. That’s it that is all that is important. The Fact of Jesus does not even need the Torah, the old testament, or even the Jewish faith at all. it is sufficient that Christ existed.

The old testament is unfortunate in many ways and is like a stone tied around the neck of Christianity allowing many of it’s literal adherents to keep a large portion of Christians mired in medieval dogma better suited to an age of superstition.


108 posted on 06/17/2007 9:38:14 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: Rodney King

Note that the date of the column is 2004. Farrah’s “nationally syndicated” (and obviously much listened-to) radio show went belly up in 2005. Why we’re paying this clown any attention at all is beyond me.


109 posted on 06/17/2007 9:38:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Cedric

Thank you and yes, I am sincere and sober. I see where you are coming from.

I also see that God allows a seed (one body) to become a plant (another body). “37When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.”

Your interpretation may be right. However, reasonable Christians could also believe that the seed turning into plant could be similar to the reptiles turning into birds. IMO the important thing in this scripture is that Jesus conquers death. We live forever through him. It makes the entire evolution debate seem kind of insignificant.


110 posted on 06/17/2007 9:40:31 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: ga medic

Look; the one thing I have to say about your view (and I don’t doubt your sincerity as a Christian, or that God has renewed you through The Holy Spirit, through belief in His son, as your savior), but I HAVE TO SINCERELY ASK:

Question: How can you claim to believe in Christ’s miracles in the Gospels, the power of God (Through the H.S.) to conduct miracles with NT Believers, OT Prophetic miracles (AND even Propocies Fulfilled!), and then Deny God’s power in Genesis..?

At least how don’t you believe these other examples are “allegory”, but WILL assign it to Genesis..? They are mutally exclusive!

One has lied (Either the Bible is correct: fully, which was referenced as having been true; Aka literal in the NT by several (The Apostle Paul included; I believe..).
Or the “darwinists” have lied (or been mistaken).

Once again I am NOT questioning your Christianity, in fact I probably believe you ARE a True Christian, but I do question your faith in the “scientific theory- theocratic evolution”..in light of the true claims of scripture.


111 posted on 06/17/2007 9:46:58 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republican if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: svcw

What was the title of your uncle’s thesis and at what school did he defend it? What are some of the papers he wrote?


112 posted on 06/17/2007 9:48:29 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: quiverfull
"...the Bible. If it is just a reference book, then throw it away..."

Huh?? If it's a reference book, how about, um, keep it and refer to it? As appropriate. That's what reference books are for. Different reference books for different questions, and so on. Who would throw away reference books?
113 posted on 06/17/2007 9:49:05 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: ga medic
Please consider who, ultimately, is behind the Theory Of Evolution.

And don’t be intimidated by the blow hard, intellectual pipsqueaks who bluster and bully people in order to disguise the fact that they’ve had almost 150 to prove their bogus theory and they have abjectly failed to do so.

114 posted on 06/17/2007 9:50:08 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

I understand all the development and translations which took place in church history. I also don’t take all things in the Bible (Old and New) as literally. (Jesus said “I am the door”)
However, the Old Testement does contain deep truths of God, historical facts, examples for us etc..... and cannot be shrugged off as a burden.
That being said, “We see through a glass darkly, but then face to face”. have a good night.


115 posted on 06/17/2007 9:52:33 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: Cedric

Your best friend was what?


116 posted on 06/17/2007 9:53:30 PM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: Cedric

I love it when people post all these absolutes about how evolution is a conspiracy or that there is absolutely no proof. Gotta love someone with such faith and so little vision. You do know the Internet was created by those same conspirators who made up evolution to destroy Christianity. Maybe you need to think on that a bit and throw the devil’s computer away. Superstitions and conspiracy same side of the coin but different names for a different time.


117 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:04 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: gcruse
"I especially liked the part where he wanted to know why he should believe mountains of evidence."

Like what? Name one shred of actual "evidence" for Evolution. Just one. Any one. Please.

;-/

118 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:04 PM PDT by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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To: JSDude1; DaveLoneRanger

Ping


119 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:20 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republican if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: sentis1

Absolutely correct.


120 posted on 06/17/2007 9:54:42 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Rodney King

“The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.”

Most likely is that there were a few large (by human standards) lizards roaming about when human kind was becoming a powerful force. This could be where the legends of dragons come from. I’m not saying this is what I believe happened, only that it may have.

“In fact, I’m not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!”

They’re not. Crocodiles. Alligators...some of the larger snakes possibly. T-REX? Not likely.


121 posted on 06/17/2007 9:56:49 PM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: quiverfull

If you don’t take all things in the Bible as literal why would you possibly take the Genesis account of creation as anything but an allegory. It has all the earmarks of one. All evidence shows the earth is much much older than 6,000 years and there is no reason you can’t believe in Christ and scientific reality at the same time. I would dare say God wants man to be rational not a superstitious savage.


122 posted on 06/17/2007 9:57:20 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: Rodney King

“There are also countless contemporary sightings of what appear to be pterodactyls in Asia and Africa.”

Ok then. The author is a fruitbat.


123 posted on 06/17/2007 9:58:03 PM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: Rodney King
I don't believe they died off millions and millions of years ago. In fact, I'm not at all convinced they've died off completely.

Joseph Farah, nobody cares what you believe. If your beliefs were a little less preposterous, maybe they might.

124 posted on 06/17/2007 10:00:17 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Cedric

“prove their bogus theory’

Did you know there is a theory of gravity? Like all theories, it has not been proven, yet gravity exists. As a matter of fact, Einstein’s theories of relativity required a change in the theory of gravity because they accurately predicted things gravity was later discovered to actually do.

The theory of evolution is the best explanation so far of the fact of evolution. If you believe nothing evolves, that’s one thing. To challenge a theory of something you think isn’t even real seems like a waste of your time.

To think the scientific method, so successful in practice, is incompetent at dealing with biology because it infringes on the beliefs of ancient desert dwellers surely strains the brain.


125 posted on 06/17/2007 10:00:25 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Gargantua

Ask Joe Farah. It’s his article and his acknowledgement of mountains of evidence.


126 posted on 06/17/2007 10:01:57 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: sentis1

Not really worried about your ilk destroying Christianity.


127 posted on 06/17/2007 10:02:28 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Rodney King
The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet. I don't believe that for a minute.

I believe it. And I am a conservative and a Catholic. I teach all of my five children the truth, "Evolution Happens." Your story wastes our time. Can't you discuss this in your bible study class?? We're busy here with more important matters.

128 posted on 06/17/2007 10:02:53 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: mazza
Evolution makes zero sense.

Let's see. Offspring generally inherit characteristics from parents. We all see that happen. Offspring have natural variation in their characteristics. We all see that happen. Some offspring do better than others. We all see that happen. The process repeats every generation. We all see that happen. That's pretty much the main points of evolution. I don't see what doesn't make sense about simply stating the obvious.

Farah is a good guy, but c'mon. Pterodactyl sightings? I thought the radio cryptozoologists pretty much stuck to the George Noory and Art Bell shows.
129 posted on 06/17/2007 10:03:13 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: omnivore

Obviously not to be taken literally. Intended meaning- to shrug off the contents as unquestionally binding, absolute truth- bearing on all men universally- then it is no longer the Bible.

If my belief is -one word in the Scriptures is not God breathed, then I become God-I have written my own Bible.


130 posted on 06/17/2007 10:04:17 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: gcruse

I thought it was the Law Of Gravity.


131 posted on 06/17/2007 10:08:21 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1; quiverfull
If you don’t take all things in the Bible as literal why would you possibly take the Genesis account of creation as anything but an allegory.

I can't speak for Christians, but Jewish scholars of all demonations have tended to view Genesis as allegory for at least a thousand years. This is why even the most Orthodox have tended not to see a conflict with evolution. A minority of the Orthodox (and a miniscule minority of the overall Jewish population) do cling to creationism, but even they don't take Genesis as a strictly literal accounting. I would be shocked if there were a dozen Jews on the planet who believed the earth was 6000 years old.

Now maybe the Jews are crazy... after all, what could Jews possibly know about the Torah?

132 posted on 06/17/2007 10:08:32 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Cedric

But I am worried about your ilk helping to damn people to Hell


133 posted on 06/17/2007 10:10:33 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: sentis1

Don’t worry. Be happy.


134 posted on 06/17/2007 10:12:21 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric; gcruse
I thought it was the Law Of Gravity.

The law of gravity is simply the observation that if you drop something, it will hit the ground. It doesn't explain why that happens, nor does it explain how that happens, nor does it predict the gravitational pull two objects will exert upon each other. That things tend to fall is the Law -- everything else is gravitational Theory. And say what you want about gravitational Theory, it sure ain't bunk.

135 posted on 06/17/2007 10:13:20 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Cedric

Cut the Gordian knot. Google law of gravity and theory of gravity as phrases. See which gets the most hits...


136 posted on 06/17/2007 10:14:01 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: quiverfull

Evolution is the process by which God made man.

I firmly believe in both creationism and evolution.

Are you telling me that natural selection isn’t observable in nature and cannot produce different species?


137 posted on 06/17/2007 10:14:06 PM PDT by AfterManyASummer
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To: quiverfull
If my belief is -one word in the Scriptures is not God breathed, then I become God-I have written my own Bible.

Really? We "become God?" Like, with the power to create an entire Universe and stuff? Just by not believing a tribe's creation story is literally true, confers the power to make a Big Bang and create galaxies and quasars and stuff? We could solve the high price of energy! I'm not a literalist believer in the Genesis stories. So how do I go about creating a Universe with my supposed God-like powers? Utter magic words? Smite something? Throw a lightning bolt?

Here's reality: I have no God-like powers. Nobody does. Treating a tribe's creation myth as ... a tribe's creation myth does not confer any God-like powers on anybody, does not result in people "writing their own Bible," does not result in the Bible "no longer being the Bible," or anything else.
138 posted on 06/17/2007 10:14:27 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: Cedric

Sorry but you and your flawed beliefs turn people from Christ and cause many people to rightly see christianity as a whole as little better than a bunch of superstitious primitives. Evolve a little bit and come into the 21st century leave the superstitions in the dark ages where they belong.


139 posted on 06/17/2007 10:15:38 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: Grunthor

My take on legends of dragons is that when primitive people found fossils of big strange-looking animals, they made up stories to explain them.


140 posted on 06/17/2007 10:16:22 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: Alter Kaker
I would be shocked if it took a huge contingent of Hebrews 40 years to traverse a desert which can be walked aross in a handful of days.
141 posted on 06/17/2007 10:17:10 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

The second I hit post, I knew what was coming! The problem with that, is that the Creation accounts are written very clearly grammatically. Simply the evening and the morning was the first day and so on. Your belief in the intepetation of Scripture must 1. be to let Scripture interpet Scripture. All things must be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Science will not save us, nor has it addressed social problems. God created, because He said He created.


142 posted on 06/17/2007 10:19:14 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: gcruse

Is gravity a theory or a law?


143 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:11 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

“In fact If anything Jesus told his followers to view the Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.”

Really? And where is it written that the ten commandments are just suggestions now? Jesus came not to replace the Mosaic Law but to provide the ultimate loophole. Check out 1 John 1:9.


144 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:54 PM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: Gargantua
Like what? Name one shred of actual "evidence" for Evolution. Just one. Any one. Please.

OK here goes. If you get flu shots, you know that you have to get a new one every year. Why? Because new strains of the virus evolve so rapidly that revaccination with reformulated vaccine is necessary.

The world was recently focused on the story of the man with extremely drug-resistant TB. Drug-resistant strains of bacteria are another example of evolution in action. Strains with mutations that confer resistance to available drugs flourish. If, by contrast, you found that disease-causing microorganisms became more sensitive to drugs that kill them over time, that would be contrary to the concept of natural selection and call the theory into question.

To the best of my knowledge, this has never happened. But contrary to what is claimed, it would get no shortage of attention if it did.

145 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:59 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Cedric

“Is gravity a theory or a law?”

We’d both agree gravity is a fact.
The law of gravity probably says things with mass attract.
The theory of gravity attempts to explain why. Gravitons are part of the theory of gravity. No one has ever seen a graviton, which is postulated to carry the force of gravity.

But the theory predicts gravitons. When we find them, the theory is strengthened.... but what if we don’t? The law still applies, though.


146 posted on 06/17/2007 10:26:12 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Rodney King
If man evolved, he evolved to believe in God..
No animal ever believed in any God..

Therefore; Not believeing in God is devolution...
Darwin and Dawkins are under evolved..
(glasses to end of nose)... WHAT?...

147 posted on 06/17/2007 10:26:16 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: gcruse

Okay, gravity is a fact and, conversely, evolution is a theory.


148 posted on 06/17/2007 10:28:53 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: omnivore

“My take on legends of dragons is that when primitive people found fossils of big strange-looking animals, they made up stories to explain them.”

I thought about that too, and it is just as likely if not more so.


149 posted on 06/17/2007 10:30:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (Imwithfred.com)
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To: Cedric

Evolution is also a fact.
The theory of evolution, as with the theory of gravity, is an attempt to discern how it works.


150 posted on 06/17/2007 10:30:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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