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Why I believe in Creation
Worlnetdaily ^ | 12/17/2004 | joe farah

Posted on 06/17/2007 6:54:37 PM PDT by Rodney King

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To: BigTom85
That’s why God, literally, dictated the Torah to Moses letter-by-letter.

Don't forget to mention that instead of God simply handing Moses a copy of the Ten Commandments printed on something actually impressive, like, etched in a slab of solid diamond, or carved in a plate of titanium, or some other durable material that would be extremely easy for God to produce by miracle, but would have been impossible for Moses to fake, instead of that, God insisted that Moses write down by hand whatever God told him orally, with Moses limited to writing with what he had at hand on the mountain, which was ... rocks. God insisted that the most important words he spoke for all time would be written down by Moses chiseling on ... rocks. Not platinum. Not polycarbonate. Not teflon or depleted uranium. Rocks. God thought that plain rocks would be best.

And if you even suggest that Moses might have just written down some laws that he figured would serve the Israelites well, after some prayer and (let's hope) divine inspiration, well, you're just going to burn in hell for all eternity, that's all there is to it.
151 posted on 06/17/2007 10:34:37 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: muleskinner

LOL! Set ur beebers to STUNE!


152 posted on 06/17/2007 10:35:43 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Cedric
I would be shocked if it took a huge contingent of Hebrews 40 years to traverse a desert which can be walked aross in a handful of days.

Wrong book, that'd be Exodus and Deuteronomy not Genesis. But point taken. I've walked across the Sinai twice, and with Arabs shooting at me. It was hot. But the walking wasn't too much of a problem -- definitely didn't take 40 years.

153 posted on 06/17/2007 10:41:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: sentis1
I was once in the same dark place which you now inhabit. I actually became a Christian by setting out to disprove what I thought then were wives’ tales about an itinerant carpenter from the Middle East. Many of the most effective and ardent Christian advocates came to Christ through this route. Like me, they took a look at the evidence and concluded that, amazingly, the Bible is literally true and Christ is the Son Of God and He mandates that each person decide {with eternal consequences} what to do with those facts.
But, this quest for truth requires two things: {1} intellectual honesty and {2} spiritual humility.

Sadly, I perceive that, currently, you possess neither.

154 posted on 06/17/2007 10:43:56 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Coyoteman
>> Early geologists (creationists trying to prove the global flood) gave up about 1830. The evidence since then has accumulated -- there was no global flood about 4350 years ago. <<

There is widespread evidence of a catastrophic flood around 5,500 BC and another that occurred even earlier, about 11,600 years ago. The Black Sea deluged around 7,600 years ago and to the humans at the time, it would have seemed as though the "entire world" was covered in water, (though in reality it was only the Mediterranean area, which was the center of human population). According to a report in New Scientist magazine's May 4, 2002 isssue, researchers found an underwater delta south of the Bosporus, giving solid evidence for a strong flow of fresh water out of the Black Sea in the 8th millennium BC. This would explain all the various Great Flood myths handed down from antiquity, notably Noah's Flood, but also Flood stories that pre-date the bible, such as the Sumerian Flood myth. Many stories handed down through the generations have basis in fact and real events that were distorted and changed as the centuries went on.

Unfortunately for creationists, they insist that every single word of the bible is literally true, and the earth couldn't have existed prior to 4004 B.C., so they will simply ignore scientific evidence of a flood that occurred 1500 years earlier.

155 posted on 06/17/2007 10:45:54 PM PDT by BillyBoy (FACT: Governors WIN. Senators DON'T. Support the RIGHT Thompson in '08: www.tommy2008.com.)
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To: sentis1
Re: 108

I really hate stepping into these endless Crevo/Evo threads because everyone restates their same positions, and it all ends up feeling like running on a hamster wheel.
But some of your comments remind me of where I was ten years ago, so I'll dive in for a moment:

I don’t see where I said God’s law is obsolete. I have merely said that a literal interpretation of the Bible is incorrect and any rational person will concede that the Bible (especially the old testament) is not literal truth.

Genesis was written as a factual historical account. Moses, Jesus, Job, Peter, the Psalmists, etc., treated it in this manner. So should we.

I won’t even go into the development of the Bible by the Catholic Church in the middle ages or the earlier decisions by scholars of the Torah who decided which works should or should not be included.

ok ... I won't go into it either

What is important is that Jesus existed and what he taught. That’s it that is all that is important. The Fact of Jesus does not even need the Torah, the old testament, or even the Jewish faith at all. it is sufficient that Christ existed.

But how do you know what Jesus taught?
How do you know who Jesus was?
How do you even know that Jesus existed?
Because its all there in the Bible, and we know that 'all scripture is given by inspiration of God and profitable for instruction, ...'
Sure, there were secular references, and we have 'traditions' - but we know what we know from God's Word.

The old testament is unfortunate in many ways and is like a stone tied around the neck of Christianity allowing many of it’s literal adherents to keep a large portion of Christians mired in medieval dogma better suited to an age of superstition.

The Bible is One Book.
Cut out the Old Testament, and its like you are removing half the chapters of the Book...
Why do it?
Every book (and most Chapters) in the Old Testament points at Jesus. The Gospels tell of Jesus' life, and the Epistles spells out what Jesus accomplished, the promises to believers and doctrine...
Regarding a literal belief in the Old Testament (and the Bible as an extension) as being a millstone around the necks of believers with the respect to knowledge and discovery -- this unwavering belief didn't stop men such as Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, Louis Pasteur, JC Maxwell, etc., from engaging in real science. These men understood God was the Creator and Master of the Universe, and the purpose of Science was to learn about various aspects of the Creator's work. This humble attitude helped in their work, and was probably best expressed by Newton in his quote:
"I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me".

156 posted on 06/17/2007 10:46:25 PM PDT by El Cid (For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.)
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To: Cedric

You are the literal pot calling the kettle black.


157 posted on 06/17/2007 10:47:09 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: El Cid

Time for bed and no time for your nonsense tonight. Good luck on living in a world that has long past your kind by.


158 posted on 06/17/2007 10:48:29 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: AfterManyASummer

Can species alter and adapt to their enviroment? absolutly.
The real problem behind all this debate, is that rational, finite man attempts to explain things clearly seen (Romans 1)without an infinite, eternal God who has created all things for His glory. He is not bound to our “discoveries”, He has created them. Let’s let God’s Word be true in all parts of our lives, and live out this understanding. This is the proper way to view all things.


159 posted on 06/17/2007 10:49:26 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: gcruse
False equivalency.
160 posted on 06/17/2007 10:58:01 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Coyoteman

Before I comment further, just what is it you believe homo erectus proves?


161 posted on 06/17/2007 10:59:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: sentis1

Sleep “tight” {figuratively speaking}.


162 posted on 06/17/2007 11:00:01 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

Long past by may be true, but you forgot the phrase will exist to all eternity in the life to come. good night


163 posted on 06/17/2007 11:00:59 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: sentis1
Time for bed and no time for your nonsense tonight. Good luck on living in a world that has long past your kind by.

Good night.
And don't worry don't worry about me, "for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day".
Its best to live by the creed of 'Let God be true, but every man a liar...'
than to rely on what's popular in the world at the moment - for man's popularity is fleeting - a vapor.
God is eternal.

164 posted on 06/17/2007 11:01:12 PM PDT by El Cid (For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.)
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To: Cedric
Re: 148

Okay, gravity is a fact and, conversely, evolution is a theory.

I vote for '...evolution is wild-arsed speculation'...

165 posted on 06/17/2007 11:03:11 PM PDT by El Cid (For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.)
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To: El Cid

Not necessarily. Did you hear about the explosion in a junk yard which resulted in a perfectly constructed Boeing 747?


166 posted on 06/17/2007 11:06:43 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: doc30

“What was the title of your uncle’s thesis and at what school did he defend it? What are some of the papers he wrote?”

It is always so telling when you hit “replies” and see “no replies” on a blank white screen. Pretty much says it all. LOL


167 posted on 06/17/2007 11:13:54 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: sentis1

Be sure to pray to your Natural Selection god.


168 posted on 06/17/2007 11:32:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Theo

“I believe the evidence, and because I’m a Christian, I believe Scripture, which in many many many ways contradicts the theory of evolution. Someone who believes in Jesus can’t believe in evolution — what He believed and spoke directly contradicts the theory.”

I agree completely. In fact, people make me really mad when I tell them my theory and they laugh at me. Here’s my theory. People have told me it is impossible for someone to sneak into my room at night, leaving no evidence whatsoever of breaking and entering, and reach under my pillow, remove the tooth I lost, replace it with some cash, and then leave just as quietly as she entered. I don’t care what they say, because I was once told by people I trust completely (my parents) that there really is a Tooth Fairy. So I know how you feel — I say we just let those phony junk science types tell their lies all they want. No pointy headed intellectuals are going to talk me out of my leap of faith in the Tooth Fairy.


169 posted on 06/18/2007 12:49:35 AM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: ga medic

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Christianity is completely antithetical to macro-evolution. If the Bible is true, God created a man, then a woman from a man, in the Garden of Eden. Maybe you’ve heard of Adam and Eve.
Christians believe that man fell from grace with God when Adam ate from the wrong tree after God told him not to. That act of disobedience left all of mankind doomed — each man and woman since then is born in sin — because of the “original sin.” The “wages of sin,” as Christianity holds, is death. Jesus was sent to Earth to redeem man from that original sin, assuming one accepts him in his heart. That is Christianity in a nutshell.
Only an idiot believes this nonsense. Evolution is a “theory” by definition, but it is a solid one backed by several disciplines in science. Evolution disproves the mythology of the Adam and Eve story, and in doing so, destroys the notion of “original sin.” Which means there was no need for a redeemer. Case closed.


170 posted on 06/18/2007 1:04:15 AM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: GodGunsGuts

You didn’t direct your question to me, but I can answer it. Homo erectus was a now-extinct species of the Homo genus, part of the family of hominins. It may or may not have been a direct ancestor of modern man, but it lived on this planet over a million years ago. It may have been one of the first hunter-gatherers (omnivores) in our genus. (Probably not related to Adam and Eve, however, since they were “made from scratch” only 6000 years ago. Yuk, yuk.)


171 posted on 06/18/2007 1:24:33 AM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: Cedric

I was once in the same dark place which you now inhabit. I actually became a Christian by setting out to disprove what I thought then were wives’ tales about an itinerant carpenter from the Middle East. Many of the most effective and ardent Christian advocates came to Christ through this route. Like me, they took a look at the evidence and concluded that, amazingly, the Bible is literally true and Christ is the Son Of God and He mandates that each person decide {with eternal consequences} what to do with those facts.
But, this quest for truth requires two things: {1} intellectual honesty and {2} spiritual humility.”

You forgot to mention: (3) a complete disregard of science, and (4) a complete disregard of logic.


172 posted on 06/18/2007 1:29:55 AM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: BuckeyeForever

“If pressed about man’s ancestry, I would have to unequivocally say that all we have is a huge question mark. To date, there has been nothing found to truthfully purport as a transitional specie to man, including Lucy, since 1470 was as old and probably older. If further pressed, I would have to state that there is more evidence to suggest an abrupt arrival of man rather than a gradual process of evolving.” 10

—Richard Leakey, 1990

You might want to read the following re: H. erectus et al:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/human_fossils.asp

Also, you might want to read the following re: the reliability of dating methods:

http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html

http://www.detectingdesign.com/ancientice.html

http://www.detectingdesign.com/carbon14.html

http://www.detectingdesign.com/radiometricdating.html


173 posted on 06/18/2007 1:40:41 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Rodney King
If you start with Protestantism and follow where it leads, you're going to end up with either fundamentalism or the materialist breed of evolution. They're two sides of the same coin.

It cannot be that God wants each of us to invent the whole Christian religion from scratch, as the strict private interpretation of Scripture would have us do; it puts method before content, thereby relativizing the content. If people hold fast to the Protestant project, eventually they will either revolt against its own logical tendencies, as the fundamentalists do, or they will cease trying to find God in their intellectual project, as the convinced atheists do.

To arrive at another understanding of origins (for example, divinely-guided evolution), you have to be open to alternatives like Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

174 posted on 06/18/2007 3:41:16 AM PDT by Mmmike
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To: Gargantua
Name one shred of actual "evidence" for Evolution. Just one. Any one. Please.

I already met your challenge to "name 1" bit of evidence for evolution. Apparently you just waved it away. OK, here is some more evidence.

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison (only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)


175 posted on 06/18/2007 7:07:05 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Before I comment further, just what is it you believe homo erectus proves?

I didn't claim it "proved" anything. I claimed it was evidence. The challenge was to produce "1 bit of evidence" and that is what I produced. Of course, it will be waved away.

176 posted on 06/18/2007 7:15:25 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: JSDude1

I don’t doubt God’s power in Genesis or elsewhere...ever. I only doubt the ability of man to understand it. I look around me and see the beauty of God’s creation everywhere. I see miracles that could only be performed by God. I know he exists and that he guides my life. (if I let him, which I have a tendancy not to do)

I don’t believe that I have the capacity to understand compeletely what God does, or how he does it. He is God and I am not. I know he has given me a brain and the ability to reason, with the expectation that I will use it. I have taken time to try and understand the basis of the theory, and the evidence that supports it. I have also looked at the information that is presented in contradiction to the theory of evolution. I find the case for evolution convincing, and completely consistent with my understanding of Genesis and my belief in God.

I understand that this isn’t what some believe. I don’t seek to change anyone’s opinion. I just refuse to let someone claim that it isn’t possible to believe in evolution and Jesus. That just isn’t true.


177 posted on 06/18/2007 7:25:50 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: El Cid
I vote for '...evolution is wild-arsed speculation'...

Well in that case, you vote wrong.

I think it's funny that you barge into this thread whining about how the whole FR debate lacks substance, and then you proceed to do your best to lower the debate even more. You're an odd one.

178 posted on 06/18/2007 7:33:41 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Cedric

I don’t know who is behind the theory of evolution other than Darwin, and I don’t really care. A theory cannot be scientifically proven, so 150 years or 150 million years won’t make a difference.

God cannot be proven either, but I know he exists. There are plenty of “Christians”, that use Christianity for evil purposes, but I don’t discount God or his power because of it.

You have your opinion and I have mine. I appreciate the information that you have provided, but I am very comfortable with my beliefs in both God and evolution. I think that we have some common ground in our knowledge that God has created this world and everything in it, and that through Jesus, we have been saved from death. That is the most important part to me.


179 posted on 06/18/2007 7:35:02 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: GodGunsGuts
Be sure to pray to your Natural Selection god.

So you're now making rules for the Almighty? Saying what tools He can choose to use or not use for His purposes? I find it simultaneously amusing and yet preposterous that you and your ilk purport to piety.

Jeremiah 32:27: Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

To the creationists, it is beyond the scope of their imagination that God could possibly have allowed natural selection to take place. That a mechanism so powerful, so beautiful and yet so simple exists just might testify to the existence of God seems beyond them. Open your eyes, look at the world around you, look critically, study science and there you will see the works of God.

180 posted on 06/18/2007 7:40:36 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Coyoteman

“For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed.”

Used to be that a hypothesis couldn’t rise to the level of theory unless it was testable and falsifiable.

Are those requirements part of your definition?


181 posted on 06/18/2007 8:16:31 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII
Used to be that a hypothesis couldn’t rise to the level of theory unless it was testable and falsifiable.

Are those requirements part of your definition?

See my FR home page for the full list of definitions. Let me know of any suggestions or corrections.

182 posted on 06/18/2007 8:18:35 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: quiverfull
Perhaps you could dictate a moral law then . . .

Ok. How about:

Thou shalt not slaughter infants and newborns wholesale, even if you think their parents deserve killing.

Slavery is bad. Period.

How you cut your hair is your business.

It's actually a pretty good idea to sow your fields with different types of grain if you want to maintain crop productivity.

Mules aren't evil, mule breeders aren't sinners, and for crying out loud, put down the damn stones.

183 posted on 06/18/2007 8:19:07 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: BuckeyeForever

“Only an idiot believes this nonsense”

Well that is pretty insulting. Considering that I have clearly stated that I would fall into that category.
I do understand the evidence supporting the theory of evolution, and it is overwhelming. This is why I believe in evolution, because the evidence supports it.

I also believe in God, and Jesus, and sin and everything you see as idiotic. I don’t believe in a literal translation of the Bible. When I read the Bible, I understand the message to be true, and Bible stories to be a way of explaining a complicated thing, so that even the most uneducated can understand it. Simple stories to illustrate simple truths (ie. the existence and power of God) If this isn’t for you, I won’t try to convince you otherwise.

Personally, I know that God exists, because he is always present in my life. I have been in some pretty bad places and had some tough times. God has never let me down. I have always gotten what I truly needed, although I didn’t always recognize it at the time.

Although, I am deeply religious, I have always seen the value in science and am amazed by the progress science creates in our lives. IMO science can only contradict religion, never God. (Religion is man’s very flawed attempt to understand God.)

(By the way, your understanding of original sin isn’t entirely correct. Original sin is washed away during baptism. Original sin is the root of all evil and sin in the world. Christians as well as others sin constantly, in almost everything they do. It is part of free will. This is why we need redemption.)

I have attempted to explain my beliefs as clearly as possible. You are entitled to your beliefs, and I hope that you will understand that I am entitled to mine. But, it never hurts to learn what others believe.


184 posted on 06/18/2007 8:19:10 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Alter Kaker

“To the creationists, it is beyond the scope of their imagination that God could possibly have allowed natural selection to take place. That a mechanism so powerful, so beautiful and yet so simple exists just might testify to the existence of God seems beyond them. Open your eyes, look at the world around you, look critically, study science and there you will see the works of God.”

What a great paragraph. You said so easily, what I have struggled to put into words for a long time. Thank you.


185 posted on 06/18/2007 8:22:31 AM PDT by ga medic
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To: Coyoteman

I looked at the exapnded definition on your page and I think it includes the basic principle I was looking for.


186 posted on 06/18/2007 8:33:29 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Cedric
False equivalency.

Why?

187 posted on 06/18/2007 8:35:07 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: Cedric
Did you hear about the explosion in a junk yard which resulted in a perfectly constructed Boeing 747?

Did you hear about the junkyard filled with self-replicating cellular junk?

188 posted on 06/18/2007 8:37:51 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: doc30

Don’t know. UCLA Don’t know.
And as a side note it is not my place to defend him, what I relating is that he is a scientist and believes in creation, like many others.


189 posted on 06/18/2007 8:41:19 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: sentis1

I disagree with your interpretation, but hey thats what makes the world go round. At least I think the world goes round.


190 posted on 06/18/2007 8:43:02 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Coyoteman

Evidence for what?


191 posted on 06/18/2007 8:43:23 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Rodney King

What a complete whackjob. It’s not often you’ll see somebody straight out state their ignorance so boldly and in fact be proud of it. In one fell swoop, this guy’s given a half-decade’s worth of ammunition to the other side.


192 posted on 06/18/2007 8:48:37 AM PDT by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: Rodney King
'Well, it’s a theory, it is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science and is not yet believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was believed. But if it was going to be taught in the schools, then I think that also the biblical theory of creation, which is not a theory, but the biblical story of creation, should also be taught.'
Ronald W. Reagan, 1980

I'll side with Reagan, Christ and God.

193 posted on 06/18/2007 8:50:01 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: El Cid
his unwavering belief didn't stop men such as Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, Louis Pasteur, JC Maxwell, etc., from engaging in real science. These men understood God was the Creator and Master of the Universe, and the purpose of Science was to learn about various aspects of the Creator's work

Yes, but unfortunetly it is causing many today to deny science.

194 posted on 06/18/2007 8:56:36 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King
Why do creationists reject the possibility that God would would have used an explainable process to permit his creations to adapt to a dynamic environment?

The confounding argument to evolutionists has to do with endangered species. Creationists would have you accept that man is just another evolved species and that 99.99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct because of the inability to either adapt to changes in their environment or inability to compete with other species. Therefore if a whale and a spotted owl cannot compete with humans - screw them, they are supposed to become extinct.

195 posted on 06/18/2007 8:58:24 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: sentis1

After perusing through many of your posts to other posters I have come to the (flawed, as I am sure you will see it) opinion, that your attitude is one of superiority.
If I do not believe what you are saying - I am (pick one) stupid, ignorant, mind numb robot, whatever of scientific fact and knowledge.
You dismiss scientists that support and can argue for creation over the theory of evolution. Your theology is flawed when trying to explain that the Old Testament is “just a story”, as some how preached by Jesus.
So since you do have flawed Theology, I have decided to dismiss you and your arguments on the theory of evolution.


196 posted on 06/18/2007 9:01:09 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Natural Law
Why do creationists reject the possibility that God would would have used an explainable process to permit his creations to adapt to a dynamic environment?

Because our understanding of science and nature is ever changing. People don't want an ever changing understanding of God. They want to yell "Stop! This is God. We know everything we need to know about Him."

197 posted on 06/18/2007 9:02:09 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: 4CJ

God, Christ then Reagan.


198 posted on 06/18/2007 9:02:13 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: BuckeyeForever

Your post is an excellent example of how the discussion of creationism/evolution has devolved. Instead of approaching this reasonably, scientifically, you mock God. And that is the crux of the entire issue — your rejection of creationism/ID (and embracing of evolution) is the result of your antipathy toward God, and not because of any factual/scientific reasons.

Thank you for illustrating my argument. I pray that you soon see the foolishness of hating your Creator, a Creator who has made a way for you to become reconciled with Him.


199 posted on 06/18/2007 9:02:32 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: BigTom85
You DON'T have to reject science in order to accept God

Non sequitur. I embrace both. God invented "all this," and so He conceived of "science" in the first place. It's a wonderful tool to explore His creation.

... some species may evolve over a decade if they have to

For example?

200 posted on 06/18/2007 9:16:02 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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