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Why I believe in Creation
Worlnetdaily ^ | 12/17/2004 | joe farah

Posted on 06/17/2007 6:54:37 PM PDT by Rodney King

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To: Alter Kaker
I would be shocked if it took a huge contingent of Hebrews 40 years to traverse a desert which can be walked aross in a handful of days.
141 posted on 06/17/2007 10:17:10 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

The second I hit post, I knew what was coming! The problem with that, is that the Creation accounts are written very clearly grammatically. Simply the evening and the morning was the first day and so on. Your belief in the intepetation of Scripture must 1. be to let Scripture interpet Scripture. All things must be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Science will not save us, nor has it addressed social problems. God created, because He said He created.

142 posted on 06/17/2007 10:19:14 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: gcruse

Is gravity a theory or a law?

143 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:11 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: sentis1

“In fact If anything Jesus told his followers to view the Old testament for what it was a story and that he was here on Earth to replace those stories with his word and his law.”

Really? And where is it written that the ten commandments are just suggestions now? Jesus came not to replace the Mosaic Law but to provide the ultimate loophole. Check out 1 John 1:9.

144 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:54 PM PDT by Grunthor (
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To: Gargantua
Like what? Name one shred of actual "evidence" for Evolution. Just one. Any one. Please.

OK here goes. If you get flu shots, you know that you have to get a new one every year. Why? Because new strains of the virus evolve so rapidly that revaccination with reformulated vaccine is necessary.

The world was recently focused on the story of the man with extremely drug-resistant TB. Drug-resistant strains of bacteria are another example of evolution in action. Strains with mutations that confer resistance to available drugs flourish. If, by contrast, you found that disease-causing microorganisms became more sensitive to drugs that kill them over time, that would be contrary to the concept of natural selection and call the theory into question.

To the best of my knowledge, this has never happened. But contrary to what is claimed, it would get no shortage of attention if it did.

145 posted on 06/17/2007 10:20:59 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: Cedric

“Is gravity a theory or a law?”

We’d both agree gravity is a fact.
The law of gravity probably says things with mass attract.
The theory of gravity attempts to explain why. Gravitons are part of the theory of gravity. No one has ever seen a graviton, which is postulated to carry the force of gravity.

But the theory predicts gravitons. When we find them, the theory is strengthened.... but what if we don’t? The law still applies, though.

146 posted on 06/17/2007 10:26:12 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Rodney King
If man evolved, he evolved to believe in God..
No animal ever believed in any God..

Therefore; Not believeing in God is devolution...
Darwin and Dawkins are under evolved..
(glasses to end of nose)... WHAT?...

147 posted on 06/17/2007 10:26:16 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: gcruse

Okay, gravity is a fact and, conversely, evolution is a theory.

148 posted on 06/17/2007 10:28:53 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: omnivore

“My take on legends of dragons is that when primitive people found fossils of big strange-looking animals, they made up stories to explain them.”

I thought about that too, and it is just as likely if not more so.

149 posted on 06/17/2007 10:30:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (
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To: Cedric

Evolution is also a fact.
The theory of evolution, as with the theory of gravity, is an attempt to discern how it works.

150 posted on 06/17/2007 10:30:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: BigTom85
That’s why God, literally, dictated the Torah to Moses letter-by-letter.

Don't forget to mention that instead of God simply handing Moses a copy of the Ten Commandments printed on something actually impressive, like, etched in a slab of solid diamond, or carved in a plate of titanium, or some other durable material that would be extremely easy for God to produce by miracle, but would have been impossible for Moses to fake, instead of that, God insisted that Moses write down by hand whatever God told him orally, with Moses limited to writing with what he had at hand on the mountain, which was ... rocks. God insisted that the most important words he spoke for all time would be written down by Moses chiseling on ... rocks. Not platinum. Not polycarbonate. Not teflon or depleted uranium. Rocks. God thought that plain rocks would be best.

And if you even suggest that Moses might have just written down some laws that he figured would serve the Israelites well, after some prayer and (let's hope) divine inspiration, well, you're just going to burn in hell for all eternity, that's all there is to it.
151 posted on 06/17/2007 10:34:37 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: muleskinner

LOL! Set ur beebers to STUNE!

152 posted on 06/17/2007 10:35:43 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Cedric
I would be shocked if it took a huge contingent of Hebrews 40 years to traverse a desert which can be walked aross in a handful of days.

Wrong book, that'd be Exodus and Deuteronomy not Genesis. But point taken. I've walked across the Sinai twice, and with Arabs shooting at me. It was hot. But the walking wasn't too much of a problem -- definitely didn't take 40 years.

153 posted on 06/17/2007 10:41:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: sentis1
I was once in the same dark place which you now inhabit. I actually became a Christian by setting out to disprove what I thought then were wives’ tales about an itinerant carpenter from the Middle East. Many of the most effective and ardent Christian advocates came to Christ through this route. Like me, they took a look at the evidence and concluded that, amazingly, the Bible is literally true and Christ is the Son Of God and He mandates that each person decide {with eternal consequences} what to do with those facts.
But, this quest for truth requires two things: {1} intellectual honesty and {2} spiritual humility.

Sadly, I perceive that, currently, you possess neither.

154 posted on 06/17/2007 10:43:56 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Coyoteman
>> Early geologists (creationists trying to prove the global flood) gave up about 1830. The evidence since then has accumulated -- there was no global flood about 4350 years ago. <<

There is widespread evidence of a catastrophic flood around 5,500 BC and another that occurred even earlier, about 11,600 years ago. The Black Sea deluged around 7,600 years ago and to the humans at the time, it would have seemed as though the "entire world" was covered in water, (though in reality it was only the Mediterranean area, which was the center of human population). According to a report in New Scientist magazine's May 4, 2002 isssue, researchers found an underwater delta south of the Bosporus, giving solid evidence for a strong flow of fresh water out of the Black Sea in the 8th millennium BC. This would explain all the various Great Flood myths handed down from antiquity, notably Noah's Flood, but also Flood stories that pre-date the bible, such as the Sumerian Flood myth. Many stories handed down through the generations have basis in fact and real events that were distorted and changed as the centuries went on.

Unfortunately for creationists, they insist that every single word of the bible is literally true, and the earth couldn't have existed prior to 4004 B.C., so they will simply ignore scientific evidence of a flood that occurred 1500 years earlier.

155 posted on 06/17/2007 10:45:54 PM PDT by BillyBoy (FACT: Governors WIN. Senators DON'T. Support the RIGHT Thompson in '08:
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To: sentis1
Re: 108

I really hate stepping into these endless Crevo/Evo threads because everyone restates their same positions, and it all ends up feeling like running on a hamster wheel.
But some of your comments remind me of where I was ten years ago, so I'll dive in for a moment:

I don’t see where I said God’s law is obsolete. I have merely said that a literal interpretation of the Bible is incorrect and any rational person will concede that the Bible (especially the old testament) is not literal truth.

Genesis was written as a factual historical account. Moses, Jesus, Job, Peter, the Psalmists, etc., treated it in this manner. So should we.

I won’t even go into the development of the Bible by the Catholic Church in the middle ages or the earlier decisions by scholars of the Torah who decided which works should or should not be included.

ok ... I won't go into it either

What is important is that Jesus existed and what he taught. That’s it that is all that is important. The Fact of Jesus does not even need the Torah, the old testament, or even the Jewish faith at all. it is sufficient that Christ existed.

But how do you know what Jesus taught?
How do you know who Jesus was?
How do you even know that Jesus existed?
Because its all there in the Bible, and we know that 'all scripture is given by inspiration of God and profitable for instruction, ...'
Sure, there were secular references, and we have 'traditions' - but we know what we know from God's Word.

The old testament is unfortunate in many ways and is like a stone tied around the neck of Christianity allowing many of it’s literal adherents to keep a large portion of Christians mired in medieval dogma better suited to an age of superstition.

The Bible is One Book.
Cut out the Old Testament, and its like you are removing half the chapters of the Book...
Why do it?
Every book (and most Chapters) in the Old Testament points at Jesus. The Gospels tell of Jesus' life, and the Epistles spells out what Jesus accomplished, the promises to believers and doctrine...
Regarding a literal belief in the Old Testament (and the Bible as an extension) as being a millstone around the necks of believers with the respect to knowledge and discovery -- this unwavering belief didn't stop men such as Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, Louis Pasteur, JC Maxwell, etc., from engaging in real science. These men understood God was the Creator and Master of the Universe, and the purpose of Science was to learn about various aspects of the Creator's work. This humble attitude helped in their work, and was probably best expressed by Newton in his quote:
"I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me".

156 posted on 06/17/2007 10:46:25 PM PDT by El Cid (For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.)
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To: Cedric

You are the literal pot calling the kettle black.

157 posted on 06/17/2007 10:47:09 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: El Cid

Time for bed and no time for your nonsense tonight. Good luck on living in a world that has long past your kind by.

158 posted on 06/17/2007 10:48:29 PM PDT by sentis1
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To: AfterManyASummer

Can species alter and adapt to their enviroment? absolutly.
The real problem behind all this debate, is that rational, finite man attempts to explain things clearly seen (Romans 1)without an infinite, eternal God who has created all things for His glory. He is not bound to our “discoveries”, He has created them. Let’s let God’s Word be true in all parts of our lives, and live out this understanding. This is the proper way to view all things.

159 posted on 06/17/2007 10:49:26 PM PDT by quiverfull (Since my quiver is full at home, the budget will not provide a full quiver in the woods)
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To: gcruse
False equivalency.
160 posted on 06/17/2007 10:58:01 PM PDT by Cedric
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