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What Really Happens In A Gunfight?
Guns and Ammo Handguns ^ | 6/18/2007 | Dave Spaulding

Posted on 06/18/2007 11:11:20 AM PDT by Dutchgirl

[W}hen one is faced with a deadly threat...talk to those who have won in life's ultimate contest, to see what they saw, felt and heard, the rest of us will be better able to understand what to expect and how to prepare for it.

Without fail, the people who remember seeing or using their front sight are the ones who were prepared to engage in combat. Good examples of this are soldiers on the field of battle or SWAT cops who know going in that they are quite likely to shoot. These folks kept sights in their "cone of vision" and relied on them when a hostile target was encountered. I have also experienced this phenomenon while working narcotics for a number of years. Prior to raids and vehicle takedowns, I would visualize in my head what I planned on doing, including where my firearm would be. This position would always be some type of high ready position where the gun and its sights were within my "cone." I found that during the operation itself, that when I encountered potential hostiles, I could shift between the actions of the suspect and the location of my front sight with little problem. The big difference here is that I was "prepared" to engage and not caught in startlement. Awareness is as important to gun fighting as is trigger control.

[A}rmed confrontations occur at very close distances (often times at arm's length), that few shots are fired and the person involved usually misses. These statistics were compiled from the FBI's Officer Killed Summary, which are released on an annual basis. Note that the operative word here is killed; [H]ave you ever wondered what happened with the officers that won? Did they do anything different to help ensure they would prevail?

(Excerpt) Read more at handgunsmag.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; lethalforce
A long (3 page article) but anyone with a CCW must read.
1 posted on 06/18/2007 11:11:25 AM PDT by Dutchgirl
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To: Dutchgirl
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".

Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it. Just a suggestion.

Let Freedom Ring,

Gun Facts v4.1!

Click the pic to go to the Gun Facts v4.1 download page!

2 posted on 06/18/2007 11:13:45 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dutchgirl
bump for later accessing. The corporate firewall won't let that through.

The key IS preparation.

3 posted on 06/18/2007 11:14:53 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Dutchgirl

I remember hearing about a case in New York City. Four cops barged into a 12x14 bedroom and suprised a guy who picked up a gun and opened fire. Between the perp and the cops, twenty five shots were fired by the five people in the 12x14 bedroom, and nobody got hit.


4 posted on 06/18/2007 11:14:56 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Good article.

Ultimately, it all boils down to the simple fact that in a life-and-death situation, people do not tend to rise to the occasion, but instead sink to their lowest level of training.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

5 posted on 06/18/2007 11:17:34 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dutchgirl
"While talking with the people that I have interviewed, I could not help but notice that the people who performed the best (and could also remember the best) were the ones who were able to keep control of him or her self. Many remember getting control of their breathing and using this to fuel their inner drive. Those who could get control and overcome the startle response were able to handle the situation. Many of these folks reported that they were not surprised, but were angered by the audacity of the person trying to attack them. It appears that those who became angered were able to channel the chemicals flowing into their system into fight instead of flight or freeze. Many advised that they had taken the time to think about what they would do in the event they were attacked and had even played out scenarios in their head. It is clear that this role-playing or visualization prepared them to take action with little lag time. For years this has been called if/then thinking. For my students, I tell the to think of it as when/then thinking."

Train hard and get mad!

6 posted on 06/18/2007 11:17:47 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Dutchgirl

Thanks for posting this, even if you’ve read similiar articles and trained for such an event, a review is always a good thing.

Very few things are as serious as this. Treat it accordingly.


7 posted on 06/18/2007 11:19:51 AM PDT by Badeye (In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED. ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: gridlock

LOL, unbelievable. They should all be shot for being such lousy shots.


8 posted on 06/18/2007 11:19:57 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: 2banana

Pinged for later.


9 posted on 06/18/2007 11:20:34 AM PDT by fightinbluhen51
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To: gridlock
and nobody got hit.

But I'll bet that there a very strong and unpleasant odor in there.

10 posted on 06/18/2007 11:21:19 AM PDT by fella ( newspapers used habitually to poison the public opinion)
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To: fella
But I'll bet that there a very strong and unpleasant odor in there.

Gunpowder? Oh, never mind........

11 posted on 06/18/2007 11:23:34 AM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: Dutchgirl

George Bemis . . . wore in his belt an old original “Allen” revolver, such as irreverent people called a “pepper-box.”
Simply drawing the trigger back, cocked and fired the pistol.
As the trigger came back, the hammer would begin to rise and the barrel to turn over, and presently down would drop the hammer, and away would speed the ball.
To aim along the turning barrel and hit the thing aimed at was a feat which was probably never done with an “Allen” in the world.
But George’s was a reliable weapon, nevertheless, because, as one of the stage-drivers afterward said, “If she didn’t get what she went after, she would fetch something else.”
And so she did.
She went after a deuce of spades nailed against a tree, once, and fetched a mule standing about thirty yards to the left of it.
Bemis did not want the mule; but the owner came out with a double-barreled shotgun and persuaded him to buy it, anyhow.
It was a cheerful weapon—the “Allen.” Sometimes all its six barrels would go off at once, and then there was no safe place in all the region round about, but behind it.

- Roughing It MARK TWAIN


12 posted on 06/18/2007 11:27:30 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: Dutchgirl

Good article.

Practice, practice, practice!


13 posted on 06/18/2007 11:28:41 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Dutchgirl
There is one more component to this mix.

Please don’t ask me to remember where I found this, it was several years ago while I was plundering a trove of stuff from a military surplus store. I read in some War College military thinking piece that in WWI, WWII and Korea, the “hit” factor was way low. In other words, 100 soldiers firing at human targets only produced some 15 to 20% hits.

It was noted they trained on paper targets.

In Vietnam, the “hit” factor improved dramatically. I forget the percentage.

It was noted that the military switched to human profile targets.

Their conclusion was that most humans have a natural aversion to actually shooting another person, and that by using human outlines, they were able to desensitize the troops considerably.

I always thought that it was an interesting observation, and one that should probably be considered in any kind of crisis training.

14 posted on 06/18/2007 11:30:45 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: gridlock

was this before or after the change in gun sights


15 posted on 06/18/2007 11:31:17 AM PDT by Dutchgirl (800-882-2005, 1 then 1 to get direct to your Sr. Senator, 2, then 1 to get your Jr. Senator!))
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To: Dutchgirl

bump for later. thanks for the post.


16 posted on 06/18/2007 11:32:34 AM PDT by the crow (I'm from the government. I'm here to help.)
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To: Dutchgirl

Sounds to me like the “modern technique” was lacking in that encounter.


17 posted on 06/18/2007 11:32:43 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Sounds to me like the “modern technique” was lacking in that encounter.”

I rolled on the floor too. The FBI stats are chocked full of this kind of stuff.

Odd things do happen when the pucker factor red lines in nano seconds.


18 posted on 06/18/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator
I read in some War College military thinking piece that in WWI, WWII and Korea, the “hit” factor was way low. In other words, 100 soldiers firing at human targets only produced some 15 to 20% hits.

This sounds a lot like research done by Dave Grossman for his book On Killing.

19 posted on 06/18/2007 11:37:14 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Dutchgirl

Sometimes the confrontation is in bad or no light. Try shooting in darkness. There might be some surprises if you have never done this.


20 posted on 06/18/2007 11:37:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Joe Brower
Where most survivors are taken off guard is what happens in the court system. Few (including police officers) are prepared for the grand jury and court system. While they think they understand what will happen, few actually do. Others are amazed that the relatives of "the lowlife" who attacked them are suing them. The process is, "Hey, I am the good guy here. This person attacked me and I just defended myself. How can these people possibly sue me?" People can sue for anything and they will--be prepared for it.
21 posted on 06/18/2007 11:38:49 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Others are amazed that the relatives of "the lowlife" who attacked them are suing them. The process is, "Hey, I am the good guy here. This person attacked me and I just defended myself. How can these people possibly sue me?" People can sue for anything and they will--be prepared for it.

That's why I say if you shoot someone, find out who their family is and sue them first!

22 posted on 06/18/2007 11:44:02 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Dutchgirl
Bump for “must read”.
23 posted on 06/18/2007 11:46:53 AM PDT by mcshot ("Some are inert and some are ert" military training truism from Pvt Benjamin)
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To: Dutchgirl

Thank you...bump to read later...


24 posted on 06/18/2007 11:55:13 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (See HiJinx's tag line....then DO it!!!!)
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To: PhilDragoo
Others are amazed that the relatives of "the lowlife" who attacked them are suing them.

Massad Ayoob point this out in "In The Gravest Extreme" nearly 30 years ago.

25 posted on 06/18/2007 11:57:05 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Just another Joe

Read the whole thing here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1313550/posts


26 posted on 06/18/2007 12:00:34 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Dutchgirl
was this before or after the change in gun sights

This was back in the early 1990s.

27 posted on 06/18/2007 12:23:07 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Dutchgirl
A common thread from the American West was that the men that won gunfights were not faster, but rather simply willing to kill, fixated on it. They didn’t hesitate, nor did they panic and rush. They just did it.

Many soldiers have shared the same story.

28 posted on 06/18/2007 12:31:04 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Dutchgirl
My CCW instructor kept getting angry with me because in his opinion, I took too long to fire. I already knew that one second was a looong time and five seconds was a really looong time. I was actually concentrating on my mental estimation of time and firing well placed shots.

Following one 5 second, 5 shot drill, he barked at me for taking so long and I replied that if he wanted me to fire faster, he should have given me less time. I then remarked about my group compared with the other students groups.

29 posted on 06/18/2007 12:57:10 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Dutchgirl

Good read. Thanks for posting it.


30 posted on 06/18/2007 12:57:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: fella

First you say it, then you do it.


31 posted on 06/18/2007 1:04:44 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: RightWhale

Sometimes the confrontation is in bad or no light. Try shooting in darkness. There might be some surprises if you have never done this.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
True Dat,,,In this case the point-n-shoot is all you have,,,
Just like you “point” a shotgun,,,not “aim” it...


32 posted on 06/18/2007 1:41:04 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: gridlock
I remember hearing about a case in New York City. Four cops barged into a 12x14 bedroom and suprised a guy who picked up a gun and opened fire. Between the perp and the cops, twenty five shots were fired by the five people in the 12x14 bedroom, and nobody got hit.

...but a lot of laundry needed done after that.

33 posted on 06/18/2007 1:43:04 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Dutchgirl

BTTT


34 posted on 06/18/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by hattend ("Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." - John Wayne)
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To: Dutchgirl
Thanks Dutchgirl.

I'm emailing this article to all my 'gunny friends'.

BTTT

/jasper

35 posted on 06/18/2007 2:04:18 PM PDT by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: Dutchgirl

bookmark


36 posted on 06/18/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: Dutchgirl

He makes a very good point about the “3-dot” systems being hard to see quickly.

Especially when those are not luminous dots, but just painted on.


37 posted on 06/18/2007 3:49:30 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Dutchgirl

thanks big dog

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

here are the rules until you shoot.

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CREED OF OATH OF CCW OWNERS

5 Rules of Conceal and Carry

“YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF INNOCENT LIFE ONLY.”

“KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON.”

“IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN, RUN RUN!”

“DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.”

“DON’T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU.”

Detail

5 Rules of Conceal and Carry (like a pistol)


1. YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF INNOCENT LIFE ONLY.

Draw it solely in preparation to protect yourself or an innocent third party from the wrongful and criminal activities of another.

2. KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON.

The criminal adversary must have or reasonably appear to have:

A. The ABILITY to inflict serious bodily injury. He is armed or reasonably appears to be armed.

B. The OPPORTUNITY to inflict serious bodily harm. He is positioned to harm you with his weapon, and,

C. His INTENT (hostile actions or words) indicates that he means to place you in jeopardy - to do you serious or fatal physical harm.

When all three of these “attack potential” elements are in place simultaneously, then you are facing a reasonably perceived deadly threat that justifies an emergency deadly force response. Note that these conditions may be defined differently in certain circumstances. For example, a small woman may be justified in using deadly force with a handgun against a much stronger male who is unarmed and attempting to rape or kill her. For a male vs. male encounter the defendant probably would not be justified unless possibly if he was physically handicapped, elderly, etc. This is known as disparity of force.

3. IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN, RUN, RUN!

Just because you are armed doesn’t necessarily mean that you must confront a bad guy at gunpoint. Develop your situation awareness skills so that you can be alert to detect and avoid trouble as much as possible. Keep in mind that if you successfully evade a potential confrontation, the single negative consequence involved might only be your bruised ego, which should heal quickly with mature rationalization. But if you force a confrontation, and it escalates into deadly force, you risk the possibility of death or serious injury to yourself and any friends, family members, or innocent bystanders that may be present.

Also you face the possibility of criminal liability and/or financial ruin from a civil lawsuit as a result of your actions. Flee if you can - fight only as a last resort.

Naturally, there are circumstances in which you may be able to flee but it would not be in your best interest or judgment to do so. For example, a situation that you could easily flee from when alone may be difficult to safely avoid if your family was with you. Also it may be a judgment/ethics call on whether or not to fight or flee based on what is happening to potential victims around you.

For example, a gunman may be threatening the life of someone else and not even notice you. If you leave the scene, and go call 911 and just wait for the police to show up, you may have to deal with guilt and emotional issues that result if the gunman kills someone. In contrast, if you intervene, then you may risk your own life. The gunman may have a partner, which you have not identified and involvement may find you outgunned. Remember that self-preservation, and keeping your loved ones safe should be your first priorities. Always remember to stay calm and quickly analyze the situation at hand. Use good judgment on how you will react to any given circumstance.

4. DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.

You should expect to be arrested by police at gunpoint, and be charged with a crime anytime your concealed handgun is seen by another citizen in public, regardless of how unintentional, innocent, or justified the situation might seem.

Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times. You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed weapon. He of she might become alarmed and report you as a “man or woman with a gun”. Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might maliciously embellish their story in an attempt to have your gun seized by police or in order to get you arrested. Even though your jacket only blew open for a moment, giving a brief glimpse of your gun, that person may tell the police that you were waving it around like a homicidal maniac. An alarmed citizen who reports a “man or woman with a gun” is going to be a lot more credible to police than you are when you are stopped because you match the “suspect’s” description and you are found to have a concealed handgun in your possession. Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself “is this worth going to jail for?” The only time this question should warrant a “yes” response is when an adversary has at least both the ABILITY and INTENT and is actively seeking the OPPORTUNITY to do you great harm.

Also, remember that proper concealment of a weapon is more than just covering it up so that it is not physically visible. You want to remove as much as possible any signs that you are armed. For example, you would not wear a tight T-shirt that shows the lines of your gun printing through it, especially if that T-shirt has a firearm related logo or statement on it. Also, a black nylon fanny-pack or a photographer’s vest may, in certain areas or in certain modes of dress tell any half-educated person that you are packing a gun. It is also not usually a very good idea to let too many people know that you carry a gun. This fact should be limited to your immediate family and select friends who are “gun people” also. Please, for your sake and the sake of others around you - be discreet!

5. DON’T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU.

When you are armed, you must realize that you just lost your right to initiate ANY type of confrontation that could possibly escalate into a violent encounter. You must now have a very mellow attitude on life and your fellow mankind.

You just lost the right to flip off the motorist who just cut you off in traffic. You have to ignore the scumbag who just “wolf-whistled” at your wife/girlfriend. If someone wants to pick a fight with you, you lost the right to respond in any way other than a kind, friendly manner while walking away. As an armed person you must be more likely and willing to avoid trouble that an unarmed person would be. You have the legal and moral obligation of de-escalating any situation that you are presented with unless you are faced by someone displaying all three of the “attack potential” elements. Carrying a loaded firearm among your fellow citizens is an awesome responsibility that is not to be taken lightly.

Remember, once you strap on your weapon, you must carry with it a great measure of discretion and judgment, along with an easy-going attitude.

CREED OF OATH OF CCW OWNERS

5 Rules of Conceal and Carry

“YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF INNOCENT LIFE ONLY.”

“KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON.”

“IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN, RUN RUN!”

“DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.”

“DON’T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU.”

Detail

5 Rules of Conceal and Carry (like a pistol)


1. YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF INNOCENT LIFE ONLY.

Draw it solely in preparation to protect yourself or an innocent third party from the wrongful and criminal activities of another.

2. KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON.

The criminal adversary must have or reasonably appear to have:

A. The ABILITY to inflict serious bodily injury. He is armed or reasonably appears to be armed.

B. The OPPORTUNITY to inflict serious bodily harm. He is positioned to harm you with his weapon, and,

C. His INTENT (hostile actions or words) indicates that he means to place you in jeopardy - to do you serious or fatal physical harm.

When all three of these “attack potential” elements are in place simultaneously, then you are facing a reasonably perceived deadly threat that justifies an emergency deadly force response. Note that these conditions may be defined differently in certain circumstances. For example, a small woman may be justified in using deadly force with a handgun against a much stronger male who is unarmed and attempting to rape or kill her. For a male vs. male encounter the defendant probably would not be justified unless possibly if he was physically handicapped, elderly, etc. This is known as disparity of force.

3. IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN, RUN, RUN!

Just because you are armed doesn’t necessarily mean that you must confront a bad guy at gunpoint. Develop your situation awareness skills so that you can be alert to detect and avoid trouble as much as possible. Keep in mind that if you successfully evade a potential confrontation, the single negative consequence involved might only be your bruised ego, which should heal quickly with mature rationalization. But if you force a confrontation, and it escalates into deadly force, you risk the possibility of death or serious injury to yourself and any friends, family members, or innocent bystanders that may be present.

Also you face the possibility of criminal liability and/or financial ruin from a civil lawsuit as a result of your actions. Flee if you can - fight only as a last resort.

Naturally, there are circumstances in which you may be able to flee but it would not be in your best interest or judgment to do so. For example, a situation that you could easily flee from when alone may be difficult to safely avoid if your family was with you. Also it may be a judgment/ethics call on whether or not to fight or flee based on what is happening to potential victims around you.

For example, a gunman may be threatening the life of someone else and not even notice you. If you leave the scene, and go call 911 and just wait for the police to show up, you may have to deal with guilt and emotional issues that result if the gunman kills someone. In contrast, if you intervene, then you may risk your own life. The gunman may have a partner, which you have not identified and involvement may find you outgunned. Remember that self-preservation, and keeping your loved ones safe should be your first priorities. Always remember to stay calm and quickly analyze the situation at hand. Use good judgment on how you will react to any given circumstance.

4. DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL.

You should expect to be arrested by police at gunpoint, and be charged with a crime anytime your concealed handgun is seen by another citizen in public, regardless of how unintentional, innocent, or justified the situation might seem.

Choose a method of carry that reliably keeps your gun hidden from public view at all times. You have no control over how a stranger will react to seeing (or learning about) your concealed weapon. He of she might become alarmed and report you as a “man or woman with a gun”. Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might maliciously embellish their story in an attempt to have your gun seized by police or in order to get you arrested. Even though your jacket only blew open for a moment, giving a brief glimpse of your gun, that person may tell the police that you were waving it around like a homicidal maniac. An alarmed citizen who reports a “man or woman with a gun” is going to be a lot more credible to police than you are when you are stopped because you match the “suspect’s” description and you are found to have a concealed handgun in your possession. Before you deliberately expose your gun in public, ask yourself “is this worth going to jail for?” The only time this question should warrant a “yes” response is when an adversary has at least both the ABILITY and INTENT and is actively seeking the OPPORTUNITY to do you great harm.

Also, remember that proper concealment of a weapon is more than just covering it up so that it is not physically visible. You want to remove as much as possible any signs that you are armed. For example, you would not wear a tight T-shirt that shows the lines of your gun printing through it, especially if that T-shirt has a firearm related logo or statement on it. Also, a black nylon fanny-pack or a photographer’s vest may, in certain areas or in certain modes of dress tell any half-educated person that you are packing a gun. It is also not usually a very good idea to let too many people know that you carry a gun. This fact should be limited to your immediate family and select friends who are “gun people” also. Please, for your sake and the sake of others around you - be discreet!

5. DON’T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU.

When you are armed, you must realize that you just lost your right to initiate ANY type of confrontation that could possibly escalate into a violent encounter. You must now have a very mellow attitude on life and your fellow mankind.

You just lost the right to flip off the motorist who just cut you off in traffic. You have to ignore the scumbag who just “wolf-whistled” at your wife/girlfriend. If someone wants to pick a fight with you, you lost the right to respond in any way other than a kind, friendly manner while walking away. As an armed person you must be more likely and willing to avoid trouble that an unarmed person would be. You have the legal and moral obligation of de-escalating any situation that you are presented with unless you are faced by someone displaying all three of the “attack potential” elements. Carrying a loaded firearm among your fellow citizens is an awesome responsibility that is not to be taken lightly.

Remember, once you strap on your weapon, you must carry with it a great measure of discretion and judgment, along with an easy-going attitude.


38 posted on 06/18/2007 3:50:42 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: Dutchgirl
Focusing on the front sight is paramount. Many years ago in a USPSA match, the pistol I was using had a roll-pin holding the rear sight to the slide. That roll pin failed during the course of fire, and although I felt that something had changed, I just continued on with the course. It wasn't until afterard that I learned that the rear sight had actually come off of the slide, and they were amazed that I not only finished the course, but I really didn't shoot all that much more poorly without the rear sight. It was because I was used to focusing on that rear site from bowling pin shooting.

Mark

39 posted on 06/18/2007 3:56:30 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: thefactor

ping...


40 posted on 06/18/2007 4:14:34 PM PDT by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: lesser_satan

“LOL, unbelievable. They should all be shot for being such lousy shots.”

Pretty obvious you have never been in a gunfight.


41 posted on 06/18/2007 4:33:03 PM PDT by rogator
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Damn fine post...


42 posted on 06/18/2007 7:21:26 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi

ping


43 posted on 06/18/2007 7:54:22 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Disambiguator
Sue the family before you shoot the guy.
44 posted on 06/18/2007 7:59:25 PM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: Dutchgirl
What happens in a gunfight?

Physically, your mouth tastes like you been licking on battery terminals, body fluids drain from the face, making you look like you have bulging eyes, your heart goes into a trip hammer mode, your ears have roaring in them, you will soon need to urinate, and most of what you do will be 'automatic response' versus being thought out.

One will go home and hug wifey and kidlets, take them to a fancy dinner, over tip the waiter, maybe drink too much, go home and allow the family dog to sleep on the bed ....

45 posted on 06/18/2007 8:04:01 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: 2banana
For self-defense and so many other activities, visualization and thought beforehand are absolutely critical. You have to imagine yourself in various situations and think about what you would do, and really imagine that you are there. Play it out in your mind. Think about the details, think about how you would first perceive a threat, how you would mentally prepare for that threat, how you would react if a threshold were crossed. It really is a great responsibility, and there are lots of legal considerations, but the primary consideration is that you do survive. I agree with the post that says if you can avoid the confrontation (run), you should do that. Massad Ayoob used to keep a $10 bill wrapped around a book of matches so that if punks threatened him, he could toss it to them and say look, I don't want any trouble, go and buy yourselves a beer. But at the same time, he would closely watch them for any escalation of the threat, and he would have proven his intention of a peaceful resolution. If the assailant started to move in, he would realize that this guy (or guys) probably isn't trained or accurate, and I don't have the luxury of freaking out and diving for cover while he wildly shoots. Then I am at his advantage, I am cowering and vulnerable.

No, I will be the one to dictate what happens. I will be the one who decides what to do and when. And in the worst case, I will not concentrate on the fear of a punk with a gun, instead I will concentrate on plinking a target. I can hit a soda can a long way off, and this guy is a lot bigger and closer than that. He is overconfident, and I am certain of the outcome. If it happens, I will tune out my fear and concentrate on shooting center mass. The odds are that he will miss and I will not. The odds are that I will be fast and he will be clumsy. I like the odds. I hope that I will never have to test my visualization in real life, but if necessary, I hope that I will be calm and do what I must.

46 posted on 06/18/2007 9:15:26 PM PDT by Sender (I know I left my country around here somewhere. Reward if found.)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Excellent advice. Thanks for posting.

FRegards,

H-T

47 posted on 06/19/2007 10:14:21 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Silly
Ping to this article.

If you haven't yet, read this, print it and make a mental note.

48 posted on 06/20/2007 8:27:50 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: gridlock

*************
I remember hearing about a case in New York City. Four cops barged into a 12x14 bedroom and suprised a guy who picked up a gun and opened fire. Between the perp and the cops, twenty five shots were fired by the five people in the 12x14 bedroom, and nobody got hit.
*************

There was a case, where a policeman discovered a fugitive hiding in a closet. The distance was less than three feet. They both fired six rounds at each other. All shots were misses.


49 posted on 06/24/2007 8:27:20 PM PDT by punster
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To: Dutchgirl
Are you telling me that everyone doesn’t stand around squinting at each other for about 10 minutes?

Hours and hours spent watching “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly,” for training purposes...Wasted!!!

50 posted on 06/24/2007 8:31:46 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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