Posted on 06/18/2007 4:05:41 PM PDT by jude24
Retired Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who was the lead investigator of military personnel working at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, tells New Yorker magazine that he was forced into retirement because of his findings. Seymour Hersh, investigative reporter for the magazine, talks with Michele Norris about his interview with Taguba, who gave some details that were not made public before his comments were published this week in the magazine.
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Ah yes. The ever reliable Sy Hersh. Fetid POS.
So did Sy Hersh make up Taguba’s allegations? Or is it easier to ignore the messenger because you don’t like the message?
I though Taguba was a traitor! Sey Hirsch is an anti-American creep liar.
I ignore Sy based on his track record of lies. And to be honest, If the bastard chokes on a chicken bone and dies, I won’t care.
Do traitors tend to become Major Generals?
Lawrence T. Di Rita, Rumsfeld's former spokesman at the Pentagon, disputed several of Taguba's characterizations. "Secretary Rumsfeld appreciated that General Taguba had a tough job to do and did it to the best of his abilities," Di Rita said. "I only observed Secretary Rumsfeld treating him with the respect that a general officer performing a challenging assignment deserved."I don't know if Taguba's allegations are accurate. If they are, however, they are disturbing - and they should not be rejected merely as "He's a traitor."
Hey dude...I said what I think.
He should be shot just for saying that name.
And what you think indicates that you uncritically reject anything inconvenient. Anyone who says something you don't like is a "traitor."
Well said but add lying.
Pissant, you beat me to it.
Again.
Methinks you are Taguba!
I wish I could claim to have served with his distinction. No, I am just an average American guy.
Look....anyone who go to Sy Hirsch to tell his story is SUSPECT....how’s that?
Not necessarily. Sy Hirsch broke Abu Gharaib. He's a logical choice to go to for a story related to it.
Notice the MSM barely reported on their trials for fear the public would know exactly what happened that nite.
Sounds like you have a little Taguba envy, dude.
I assume you must know a great deal more about every detail of Taguba’s work than appears on this thread, because to trust anything coming out of NPR and/or Sy Hersch is quite foolish indeed. So you must know that every aspect of Taguba’s work was conducted with great professionalism, that he was never involved in any leak(s) of info about Abu Ghraib or anything else, etc. I consider anyone who is amenable to joining a Sy Hersch propaganda campaign as suspect, so I would not leap to imagine that there could not have been any good grounds to question Taguba’s performance. Maybe there was, maybe not, but we certainly don’t have anything yet on this thread to tell us anything except that this guy is talking to the vile and loathsome Sy Hersch...... that does not inspire condidence in his rectitude, judgment, and sense of duty.
He's a General. I respect him. Your point being?
What about the substantive allegations contained within the piece? Or are you just going to snipe at the General and the journalist reporting it?
Rummy and Lindy England had a fling too, if I recall.
He certainly likes to paint America’s military in the worst possible light. Unforgiveable in my view.
Every General that fails to make another star has a grudge and a willing press to listen to that grudge.
And any General who uses Sy Hersh as a confidant is suspect, IMO. I know little about Tubuga, but I know much about Sy.
The Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy let these people into the military where they then gravitated to MP units specializing in running prisons and detention compounds.
This is almost stereotypical and is the sort of thing that should have been anticipated by Bill Clinton and the policy's Congressional sponsors ~ and probably was..
There are some people who didn't care for the publication of the Abu Ghraib story. On the other hand, there are others who view any attempt to suppress that story as simply an attempt to protect sexual perverts.
There are no good choices here.
Uhh... the guys who did Abu Ghariab weren't gay. And the Abu Gharaib abuses weren't inspired by homosexuals, either, but a bizarre amalgamation of German porn (I've been told by academics...) and interrogation techniques.
By now I bet more people in the world know about Abu Grab than know about Auschwitz. And believe Abu Grab was worse.
Let’s face it.
It’s widely reported that Rumsfeld and his boys told our guys/gals to “take the gloves off.” And insufficient guidelines and training provided, at best.
This is one scandal that seems very typical, rotting from the head, down.
You are really strange. Everyone knows you don’t have to be gay to be a sexual pervert, right?
"Don't ask, Don't tell" was explicitly about gays in the military. You brought up DADT.
The gang at Abu Ghraib were simply never asked anything about their sexual preferences, nor was anyone checking them out, anymore than the homosexuals get investigated.
You can imagine what a stink would be made if recruits were asked about their use of handcuffs and batteries in sexual adventures.
Sometimes, sure.
I can think of a few off the top of my head.
I remember in the early 90s, where a top Air Force general was referred to by his troops as "Mc Dork". When you lose the respect of your troops to that extent, it is a sign of serious serious illness in the system...
“Taguba”? Sure he’s an American? Because no real American would spend two minutes with HershAn ad hominem attack is a sign of a failed argument. Don't like Hersh's allegations or think he distorts the data? Fine - cite examples and build a reasoned argument.
If they had been following orders or upholding policy they wouldn't have had to hide their activities. The failure was then General, soon to be Colonel, Karpinski who didn't supervise her troops.
More on your buddy, SeeLess Hersh:
So Much for Fact-Checking [Jonah Goldberg]
Emmanuel Sivan writes in Ha’aretz :
....I was reminded of this story after The New Yorker published an article three months ago dealing with the Bush administration’s attitude toward Sunnis and Shi’ites, written by investigative reporter and Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh. In the article, Hersh wrote that the U.S. administration, embracing realpolitik, was siding with the Sunnis in their conflict with the Shi’ites. This led the administration to cooperate even with those who are hostile toward the United States, including groups linked to Al-Qaida. To back up his claim, Hersh wrote that the United States was transferring funds to the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, even though it knew some of the money was going to the Palestinian group Fatah al-Islam in the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp in northern Lebanon. (The article was published about two months before fighting broke out between Fatah al-Islam and the Lebanese army.)
Sharp-eyed reporters in Beirut read the article in astonishment. Siniora, of the Lebanese Sunni establishment, was assisting allies of Al-Qaida who had split off from a pro-Syrian organization? And the United States was aware of this and might even be planning it, in order to strike at Hezbollah? And all this was in the context of aid to the Sunni forces in the Middle East in their conflict with Shi’ites backed, according to Hersh, by Iran? A world turned on its head. How could it be?
But it was published in The New Yorker, a magazine known for its meticulous fact-checking. The Lebanese reporters began investigating the story on their own.
Hersh said he heard the story from Robert Fisk, the bureau chief of The Independent’s Beirut office. But Hersh did not check out the story himself. For his part, Fisk said he heard the unconfirmed report from Alastair Crooke, a former British intelligence agent and the founding director and Middle East representative of the Conflicts Forum, a non-profit organization that aims to build a new relationship between the West and the Muslim world. Crooke, who gained his reputation through his involvement in the conflict in northern Ireland, does not know Arabic. When Lebanese journalists spoke to Crooke about the report, they said he told them only that he had heard it “from all kinds of people.”
Thus are reports about the Middle East generated, I thought to myself. And this is a case involving two well-known journalists and an even more well-known magazine.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/
And, how about interacting with the allegations in this damned piece?
I don't give a flying flip about what Mr. Goldberg thinks about Mr. Hersh - they're competitors. I want to hear about THE FACTS RELAYED IN THE INTERVIEW.
No. goldberg is not a competitor of Hersh. His competitors are Robert Fisk, Tim McGirk, and Michael Moore.
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