Posted on 06/18/2007 6:36:10 PM PDT by mdittmar
WASHINGTON (AP) - Only in the arcane world of the U.S. Senate could a quirky gambit known as a "clay pigeon" make the difference between passage of an important immigration measure and its death at the hands of opponents.
Democratic leaders hope the complex manoeuvre, which makes use of the Senate's labyrinthine rules to insist on votes on amendments, will frustrate conservatives' attempts to derail the embattled immigration bill, instead putting it on a fast track to passage next week.
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said he would revive the bill to legalize as many as 12 million unlawful immigrants late this week. To do so, though, he needs backing from 60 senators, and a way to guarantee votes on a tentative list of 22 Republican and Democratic amendments whose consideration is seen as vital to satisfying key waverers.
The so-called clay pigeon is how he's expected to do it, under a strategy that was still taking shape Monday.
The tactic gets its name from the target used in skeet shooting, which explodes into bits as it is hit. In the Senate, an amendment is the target, and any one senator can demand that it be divided into separate fragments to be voted on piecemeal.
Under the tentative plan, Reid as early as Friday would launch his target - an amendment encompassing all 22 proposals - and shoot it into its component pieces. The Senate would then vote on ending debate on the immigration measure, which would take 60 votes and limit discussion of the bill to 30 more hours. After that interval, all 22 amendments would have to be voted on, with little opportunity for foes to interfere.
Ironically, the move is usually used by mavericks - not leaders - to slow down legislation, not free it from a procedural thicket.
Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) used it last year to protest a bill he complained included excessive spending. By offering and then dividing an amendment that targeted 19 items he deemed offensive, Coburn was able to insist on votes on individual projects.
"It's a brilliant way to gum up the works," said Robert Dove, a Senate rules expert who was the chamber's referee for 36 years.
The manoeuvre appears to be a relatively modern innovation; Dove said he first became aware of it in the early 1970s, when then-senator Jim Allen (D-Ala.), a master of parliamentary procedures, used it against a bill pushed by the then-majority leader, Senator Mike Mansfield (D-Mont.)
"I remember people being dazzled when he did this," Dove said.
Reid's plan has its risks, chief among them further inflaming the vocal conservative opponents who have vowed to do whatever they can to kill the immigration measure.
"I've seen ideas like this really backfire. You pay a price for this kind of thing," Dove said, noting that the Senate functions almost entirely on consensus. "It can be done - I've seen it done - but it's a difficult manoeuvre. "
Let’s hope the fragments imbed in Dingy’s skull.
Ya shoot down clay pigeons right?
A guy named Dove talking about clay pigeons.
After this, theyll try to ram it through with the Donkey’s Whistle, which as everyone knows is a truly foul technique, but the senators pushing this bill are just bad enough to do it.
(Any G.K. Chesterton readers beside me? Its from the Blue Cross, one of the first Father Brown stories)
Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!
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Where the hell is Hercules when you need him?
Where the hell is Hercules when you need him?
Bump
Trent Lott has already said that he plans to remove any amendments that the globalists don’t like in committee. Shoot his clay pigeon down.
Should be time for one more amendment.....How about this one?
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.
Where were these f*ng Republicans and their f*ng “clay pigeons” when the Judicial nominees were being stymied? These f*ng Republican spineless eunuchs are horrible...
I think this is going to blow up in Reid’s face. He will lose his 60 votes for cloture because Senators will not like to see thier power taken away.
How about we build a fence this year, and once it is complete, we can talk about comprehensive reform next year?
How about we build a fence this year, and once it is complete, we can talk about comprehensive reform next year?
Shock and Awe in the Senate. Dazzling display of daring defiance. It takes a special kind of person to look danger in the eye and do a Moe-poke. Lead on, brave defenders of the laws of our country. lead ...on...
Very good Huck, Jeff Sessions is indeed the man for this season. Let’s hope he cobbles together the votes to slay the Hydra.
Come on all you skeet shooters. Go in there and blow this clay pigeon to bits.
As they chanted in 68, Senator Reid, go ahead. The whole world is watching. Knock yourself out.
If this works then all I want to know is why the GOP didn’t use it the last several years.
Wow - very fist sentence reveals the political bias of the "reporter"...nice.
And they pretend they don’t understand why contributions have fallen off dramatically....
I guess America is the pigeon. How many shots does each Senator get at us?
There must be a BIG payoff for this load of corrupt weasels to push this so hard.
Repeat as necessary.
You're damn right there is,and I,for one,am sick of this crappolla.
The feces will hit the air circulator in 2008!
These bastards are going to need a good ass whupp’in....
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There's a Numeric Ping List?
Those pictures are so sad.
If Americans tried this in mexico they would die.
The Dems are desperate because 12 million potential new Democrat voters are at stake. They’ll try anything.
bttt
Time to lock and load ! PULL!!
Those pictures say it all. And to think, Wilson sent Pershing and the US Army into Mexico after Pancho Villa did a weekend raid into COlombus NM. That raid was NOTHING compared to this mega invasion.
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