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Immigration Half-Baked
PBS Tavis Smiley Young Voices Blog ^ | June 15, 2007 | Rose Capozzi

Posted on 06/19/2007 12:27:56 PM PDT by politicodc

In America today there are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants. Many say that these immigrants drive down wages for hard working Americans. Others say that they introduce new problems into our education system and drain resources from our entitlement programs.

Though the problems are [somewhat] clearly defined, the solution is not.

While I do not generally support the idea of giving special privileges to certain groups of people, especially ones who purposely and knowingly break the law, in this situation there is no other logical or practical solution. America is like a baker that has left a window open and put our irresistibly delicious American apple pie on the ledge to cool. And now that the attractive odor has caught the attention of the rest of the world, the sick, tired, poor and hungry are here and want to have a piece.

It might seem enticing to simply search for the illegals and send them packing, but the resources, time, and effort it would require is too great. The ball has already been dropped and now it is time to cut our losses and come up with a plan to prevent greater and continual abuse.

Though President Bush's bill is a step in the right direction, by rejecting business as usual, it needs to focus more on containing the problem - and preventing further illegals from breaking our laws. Now, if only Congress could find a way to have their pie and eat it, too...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; immigrantlist; immigraton; ins
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1 posted on 06/19/2007 12:27:57 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: politicodc

Yeah, I screwed up and left my garage door open over night. Now I’ve got to get busy adding on and furnishing rooms to house the poor that got into my house. Should I buy a car for each one, too? And should I use my childrens’ college fund to educate them?


2 posted on 06/19/2007 12:33:11 PM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: politicodc

No barf alert?


3 posted on 06/19/2007 12:36:08 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: politicodc

http://www.aimajc.org/articles-by-rose-capozzi/

Life is like a box of chocolates.


4 posted on 06/19/2007 12:36:08 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Give us what we want and we'll go away." George, Ted and Harry)
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To: politicodc
In America today there are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants.

Whew! W says there are 12... guesstimates are 20, but, what the hay, no problem if there are only 7. I was getting worried.... [/sarc]

5 posted on 06/19/2007 12:39:17 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: politicodc

7 million? This guy’s off by a factor of at least 3.


6 posted on 06/19/2007 12:40:04 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: politicodc

“In America today there are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants”

Sadly, it is 20-25 million. Get your facts straight.


7 posted on 06/19/2007 12:40:49 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: politicodc

Young Voices? Yep, I’d guess this was written by a 12-year-old.


8 posted on 06/19/2007 12:43:33 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Could be a kid a lot older and a product of the California High Schools, considering how badly his/her math sucks.


9 posted on 06/19/2007 12:46:55 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: politicodc
In America today there are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants.

No need to read further.

10 posted on 06/19/2007 12:48:04 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: politicodc

Obviously written by a lib.....IBTZ (Here kitty, kitty, kitty).


11 posted on 06/19/2007 12:49:35 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: politicodc

“Oh no, sir. It’s completely baked”.


12 posted on 06/19/2007 12:51:22 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: politicodc

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/voices/138.html

this piece of crap is REALLY on Tavis Smileys PBS blog.....the link above is the properties behind the hotlink in the posting


13 posted on 06/19/2007 12:52:28 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: politicodc

The illegal invaders in this country number somewhere between 20 and 60 million, not 7 million. If amnesty is granted for them, they will also be able to invite their families to join them here. And most of them have large families.

The globalists want this bill to promote their own agenda, and the Democrats are counting on the votes.

This bill, if passed, spells doom for the country. Our hospitals, schools, prisons and welfare system are being bankrupted now by the illegal aliens. Most of them are uneducated, and largely unskilled people who will suck the system dry.

The U.S. citizen will foot the bill with alarming tax increases. Salaries will go down because of the cheap labor provided by the illegals, thus seriously damaging the middle class in this country.

If this bill passes, only chaos will ensue because if we do not enforce the relatively simple immigration laws now on the books, how could we ever hope to enforce the incredibly complex laws in this evil bill?

So you see, there is much more to the question than meets the eye. You only need dig below the surface a little to find the terrible flaws in S 1348.


14 posted on 06/19/2007 12:53:37 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: politicodc

Illegal enabling drivel.


15 posted on 06/19/2007 12:53:54 PM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Duncan Hunter Ambassador

PING my #14.


16 posted on 06/19/2007 12:56:12 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: politicodc
Not a bad analogy.

However, the first step in dealing with it is to shut the window, an obvious approach that is not being promoted much by any of the media or candidates.

Then we'll have some time to figure out how we want to deal with those who got in while the window was open.

17 posted on 06/19/2007 1:02:12 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Diversity in theory is the enemy of diversity in practice.)
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To: politicodc; darkwing104

7 million illegals? BS!
Liberal PBS crap.
(Darkwing: interesting posting history. I think this is stealth liberal propaganda)


18 posted on 06/19/2007 1:05:28 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: dynachrome

No. 1-—SHUT WINDOW.
NO. 2——FUMIGATE!
No. 3-—sweep out.

See, it really isn’t so difficult, dumbass.


19 posted on 06/19/2007 1:09:23 PM PDT by Flintlock
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To: Flintlock

Denver, near where I live, is a sanctuary city. Lot’s of horror stories about our illegal friends./sarc


20 posted on 06/19/2007 1:11:54 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: politicodc; All

From the site I posted above:
The American Journalism Center, an internship program devoted to training conservative student journalists, was established in order to counteract the entrenched left-wing elite in both the media and the universities. The AJC provides students with hands-on training in journalism, marketing, and public relations, with the goal of cultivating balance, accuracy, and excellence in the next generation of conservative leaders.

Rose is just a kid, an intern and a conservative. Sure, she’s off here, but she’s young and callow on this issue. Let’s give her a break.
President Bush is flipping a lot of conservative circuit breakers lately with his unholy wedding to Ted and Harry, but we shouldn’t throw such youngsters out with the bathwater because they use strained metaphors.


21 posted on 06/19/2007 1:16:48 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Give us what we want and we'll go away." George, Ted and Harry)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I just read your post. So she’s a ringer?


22 posted on 06/19/2007 1:23:39 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Give us what we want and we'll go away." George, Ted and Harry)
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To: politicodc
It might seem enticing to simply search for the illegals and send them packing, but the resources, time, and effort it would require is too great. The ball has already been dropped and now it is time to cut our losses and come up with a plan to prevent greater and continual abuse.

OK, lets drag in say 50,000 illegals and offer them this choice; return to Mexico or go to work for ICE as agents. If they round up at least 20 a month they stay on the payroll. When they have brought in 400 illegals total they get citizenship with all that offers.

Who says you can't deport 20,000,000? I expect that if you make an offer "you can't refuse" to enough people you will find more then enough willing to sell out their friends, citing "enlightened self interest". With this plan it would take less then two years and it has no impact on US "resources, time, and effort". Unless you count the illegals as a resource.

Regards,
GtG

23 posted on 06/19/2007 1:30:23 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: politicodc

24 posted on 06/19/2007 1:30:26 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: politicodc
You only post from Travis Smiley's PBS Blog?
25 posted on 06/19/2007 1:44:06 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: politicodc; dynachrome
Interesting, just needs some corrections. It this your blog?


26 posted on 06/19/2007 1:44:53 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: tumblindice

I dunno, I just thought it was less than honest to try to conceal the real source of the piece, esp since it was so misguided or disingenuous........PBS and Tavis Smiley are all left


27 posted on 06/19/2007 1:46:31 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Lokibob
My Zotdar is showing anomalies. ...take us in a little closer Mr. Zulu.
28 posted on 06/19/2007 1:47:45 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

I agree completely. But I looked at some other articles she wrote on that site, not PBS/Smiley, and she looked legit.
I sure don’t like what’s going on now, this whole amnesty mess. It makes me sick.


29 posted on 06/19/2007 1:50:35 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Give us what we want and we'll go away." George, Ted and Harry/Legion)
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To: politicodc

“Though President Bush’s bill is a step in the right direction...”
From the article. Do you agree with this, that we need to have the shamnesty bill, and more?


30 posted on 06/19/2007 1:57:17 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: Old Sarge

This one seems to be ripening.


31 posted on 06/19/2007 1:58:30 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


32 posted on 06/19/2007 2:03:23 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: politicodc

KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DON'T GIVE UP. . As I predicted they would try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up. We have no choice but to fight. The oligarchy wants cheap labor and a destruction of the middle class and the millionaire democrats want votes they can count on. A marriage made in HELL.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

33 posted on 06/19/2007 2:16:09 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: TexasCajun

If she isn’t a lib, she is as close to a marginal conservative as I have seen. Do a poster search on her screen name, your zotdar will really go up.

....Bob


34 posted on 06/19/2007 2:20:23 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: politicodc
“America is like a baker that has left a window open and put our irresistibly delicious American apple pie on the ledge to cool. And now that the attractive odor has caught the attention of the rest of the world, the sick, tired, poor and hungry are here and want to have a piece.”

Uh... No.

Quite possibly the DUMBEST analogy I’ve seen in... well, I’ve been seeing a lot of dumb analogies from amnestophiles, to be honest.

These illegals aren’t grabbing apple pie from the ledge, they’re breaking into the shop and stealing it from the fridge! There should at least be a slight correlation between the analogy and the real event you’re trying to describe, or it is a POOR analogy.

I need to pick up one of these jobs writing editorials. Must be nice to get paid for doing nothing but being a nattering idiot. Doesn’t seem like you have to have any real information, or education, or common sense.

35 posted on 06/19/2007 2:58:19 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: claudiustg
Yeah, I screwed up and left my garage door open over night.

Actually, your analogy is not correct. You didn't leave the garage door open. It was left open by that irresponsible drunkard uncle you gave a spare house key to. Now, not only is he sleeping on your sofa, he is demanding that you let all his frieinds stay over too.

We THE PEOPLE did not tell tell our elected officials to not enforce the border, a few of their rich friends bribed them to do it. Now we are being told we can do nothing about it except to pick up the tab and keep our opinions to ourselves.

36 posted on 06/19/2007 3:40:53 PM PDT by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: gubamyster

Bttt!


37 posted on 06/19/2007 4:55:05 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: politicodc
Though President Bush's bill is a step in the right direction, by rejecting business as usual...

Rejecting business as usual?? It IS business as usual. What would be unusual would be to NOT give amnesty.
38 posted on 06/19/2007 6:26:04 PM PDT by ruination
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To: politicodc
"In America today there are an estimated 7 million illegal immigrants."

Galldastit! the Senate plan is already working! We've already alienated 14 million illegal aliens in no time at all! Gee whizzerboomers!

39 posted on 06/19/2007 6:32:47 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree with you— the first problem is that the window is wide open. Before anything else we have got to shut it.


40 posted on 06/19/2007 7:30:27 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: politicodc

Put a reply in the comments area.

Here is mine:
This essay itself is half-baked, asking the right questions but what is the answer?

First, let us start by pointing out that the cornerstone of the ‘comprehensive’ immigration ‘reform’ is turning today’s illegal aliens into tomorrows citizens, aka amnesty. We know from bitter experience that it is not a solution at all, but a surrender to illegal immigration that will only make it worse. it was tried in 1986 and we turned a smaller illegal immigration problem into a huge illegal immigration problem. Legalizing the illegal immigrants undermines the rule of law, is slap in the face to legal immigrants, and creates further incentive for lawbreaking and ‘open borders’. We have the breakdown in law-and-order in our immigration system partly because of prior amnesties. It is insantify to repeat the same mistake again and again.

Now there are real solutions to the problem. They involve deciding clearly who should be a legal immigrant and then enforcing laws sufficiently to make our chosen policy stick. As far as enforcing the laws there are 4 critical elements:
1. Building a border fence so we reduce border crossing s by 95%.
2. having real and secure employee verification and enforcing immigration law in the workplace, fining employers and removing illegal employees.
3. Working with local law enforcement to deport all criminal aliens. There are tens of thousands of aliens in jail or convicted of crimes from DUI to murder who should have been deported but have not been. It also means actually removing the 600,000 illegal aliens subject to current deportation orders.
4. Creating a system where we track entry *and* exits to the US (US VISIT) program, to keep track of the visa ‘overstay’ illegal aliens.
If we had these 4 elements in place, the amount

We fail to enforce the law adequately because there are special interest groups from cheap labor employers to immigration lawyers, who have a vested interest in a broken system. Not to mention would-be immigrants themselves. But with more than 1 million legal immigrants each year, our country is more than fair to those who want to come here, and a bit unfair to the American workers and taxpayers who pay the burdens of immigrants. We could and should replace our unbalanced ‘chain migration’ immigration system that gives too much weight to families with a point system that would give more weight to bringing in the ‘best and brightest’ from around the world. Our best immigrants are highly educated, employed in high wage jobs, speak English already, and present no burden on taxpayers. The solution therefore is to avoid amensty but shift immigration to higher skill and employment based immigration.

If we make all the fixes I propose, within 5 years we will have a real handle on the immigration system. Illegal immigration would be way down and legal immigration would be more economically beneficial.


41 posted on 06/19/2007 7:39:09 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! Call the Senators, tell them to vote "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: darkwing104

Yes, this is my blog. I am trying to get some feedback on what I am writing. Apparently, this article is NOT one of my most popular. Lol! I really debated writing at all, but I thought it would stir up a conversation. Hopefully congress will do SOMETHING this time and not just let the problem get worse!


42 posted on 06/19/2007 7:39:13 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: dynachrome

Doing ANYTHING at this point is a step in the right direction!


43 posted on 06/19/2007 7:42:18 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Sorry if the link didn’t show up, it wasn’t meant to be disingenuous.


44 posted on 06/19/2007 7:45:12 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: politicodc
Yea! You understand!

For some reason the judge I had to go before just didn't get it!

I wasn't the one that put all that money in that safe!

It was the people in the Bank that put it all in there. They're the ones that left the door open during their lunch break.

They're the ones that should be in jail! Not Me!

I'm just the completely innocent guy that was tricked into taking the money by those evil people in the bank! They should be severely punished! And I should get amnesty!

You Understand! Explain it to that judge for me. After all, I'd be willing to give half of it back! That's more than fair!

45 posted on 06/19/2007 7:47:26 PM PDT by Nova
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To: ruination

you’re right. good point.


46 posted on 06/19/2007 7:49:03 PM PDT by politicodc
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To: politicodc

I’m surprised Tavis Smiley is taking this position on illegal immigration, as he is a black man, and many of the jobs illegals are taking impact the black community more than others. But, he is also a liberal, and is probably counting up those new votes for the Dems in future elections. Of course, lower paid U.S. workers will suffer, and a lot of blacks will be impacted, but so be it.


47 posted on 06/19/2007 7:52:21 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: politicodc
Ummm, I'd be happy if there were only 7 million illegals here, as opposed to the 12-20 million number most other experts throw out there.
48 posted on 06/19/2007 7:58:59 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: politicodc
Oops, didn't mean to imply that you're among the idiots that argue it's our fault that illegal's violate our laws.

Re my post #45

49 posted on 06/19/2007 8:04:32 PM PDT by Nova
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To: politicodc

Do we really need more reasons to call our representatives in Washington, D.C.?

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


50 posted on 06/19/2007 9:27:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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