Posted on 06/19/2007 2:27:39 PM PDT by knighthawk
A group of fundamentalist Muslim parents has been calling the shots at a city nursery school since February
Members of the fundamental Islamic organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir with children at the Salam day care centre in Copenhagen have taken control of its operations by obtaining a majority on its parental committee, according to Berlingkse Tidende newspaper.
In February the group took over after the school's two female administrators quit in protest of the difficulties Hizb ut-Tahrir parents were creating for the centre's operations. The Islamic group was refusing to allow the school's 25 Muslim children to participate in singing and dancing and required both an Islamic dress code and boys and girls to be segregated.
It was revealed that after a Christmas trip to Copenhagen Zoo, during which the children were given Santa Claus hats to wear, the committee members required the hats to either be thrown out or cut into pieces, claiming they forced Christian traditions onto the children. The group has allegedly been operating the school according to traditional Islamic law since the two administrators quit.
Since that time, the formerly private-run centre has no longer been receiving state funding and is now being administered by the City of Copenhagen. The city is still trying to find new leadership for the school and has sent letters to the children's parents informing them that they must either allow the city to run the centre or it will be closed.
Political criticism has rained down on the Salam school board since the newspaper's revelations.
'This case demonstrates that there is a parallel society in Copenhagen that plays by its own rules, and we will not accept that,' said Martin Geertsen, deputy mayor for cultural affairs.
Copenhagen: Hizb ut-Tahrir kindergarten
A private kindergarten in Copenhagen’s Nørrebro neighborhood had been taken over by Hizb ut-Tahrir. Now it is being run by the municipality, and faces closure.
Earlier in the year Salam kindergarten went on an outing to the zoo. At the end of the trip they received Santa hats as a gift. When the parents saw their children coming back with the Santa hats on their heads, there was a commotion. The parents, who are among the most religious Muslims in Denmark, saw it as a Christian religious symbol being forced on their kids. Some of the parents demonstratively threw it into the trash, while others cut it up before doing the same.
Salam was created as a Muslim women’s center to help immigrant women. Salam kindergarten has in the past ten years developed into a purely Muslim kindergarten with a long waiting list. Religious Muslims from all over Copenhagen sign up their children to the kindergarten.
It is a private institution, financed by the municipality, but the parent’s committee was the employer, with full freedom to hire and fire employees and run the kindergarten as they saw fit.
During Fastelavn (the Danish Halloween), the kindergarten’s personnel bought the children costumes, but were told by the parents that Muslim children will not celebrate the holiday. Some of the parents refused to have their children draw people or animals, or let them sing or dance. The children were not allowed to go through the Christian Assistens Cemetery and were not allowed to go to parks and beaches when it was warm, since they risked seeing naked people.
The kindergarten’s and the municipality’s ambition to open the door to another world for the fundamentalists and their children were put in doubt with such stories.
Many of the parents were Danish converts, who were forceful and eloquent and even a little arrogant. It was almost impossible to start a dialog.
Last year Copenhagen’s municipality decided that they will have more control over private institutions, with supervision coming in 1-4 times a year. Salam’s teachers, who were two non-Muslim Danish women, and the administration at the time, which consisted of immigration women with children in the kindergarten, had no problems.
Together they started preparing new regulations and a new operating agreement with the municipality. They wanted to protect Salam’s values. The two danish teachers wanted everything to be clear, so they could say that children in a Danish kindergarten are allowed to draw and sing, and that koran lessons belong at home. Koran lessons had been given at Salam for a few years.
With these regulations in hand the kindergarten could ask parents to leave if they were not interested in following them. But the municipality had difficulty in finding legal support for such rules. It wasn’t possible to write in the rules that children should learn about Danish Christmas, for example, but rather that they should learn about Danish culture.
The case exploded in December, 2006. In a call for help to the municipality, the kindergarten’s personnel said that Hizb ut-Tahrir was taking over the administration. They came up with twenty parent’s signatures to have new elections. On election day at the end of January they Hizb ut-Tahrir criticized the new rules, saying that children were taught equality and a democratic spirit.
A pedagogic consultant from Frie Børnehaver, an association for private kindergartens, was present at the elections meeting. She had never experienced anything similar and she asked for a meeting with the municipality.
Four new parents were chosen to the administration, with completely different attitudes to raising kids than the existing administration. The consultant had the impression that there were no other candidates because the older members were threatened to stay away. She wrote that the voting was completely unpleasant.
A new member of the administration said that his children will not be raised to have understanding for democracy. The Hizb ut-Tahrir members also wanted to make sure that boys and girls will not be together in the institution.
By the beginning of February the two teachers had enough, and quit at the end of March. There are 25 Muslim kids in the kindergarten and it is currently run with six helpers. The municipality’s supervision stops by every day since there are no teachers there.
The municipality gave the administration two options - either the municipality will take over running the kindergarten, or the municipality will stop the grants.
Therefore Salam today is municipal. If the kindergarten doesn’t find a new administration, the place will be closed, and the children be spread out in other institutions. If they do succeed, the municipality will keep the kindergarten open and ensure that the children have contact with Danish society.
“It is indisputable that tensions between what people popularly call religious or fundamentalist Muslims and Danish democratic notions, have been important in this case. Naturally the municipality has experienced tensions in institutions, also of religious character, but all together the situation around Salam has been exceedingly critical,” says Jan Dehn from Copenhagen’s municipality’s Department for children and Youth.
One of the prominent parents in Salam’s disputed administration, convert Abdul Hamid Henrik Lund, confirms his connection to Hizb ut-Tahrir, saying all the parents are what the Danes call “fanatic”. They want their kids to grow up Muslim so they don’t run around and behave like apes. and that they put the emphasis on teaching values to the kids, so that they will know what is “halal” and “haram”.
Source: Berlingske
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2007/06/copenhagen-hizb-ut-tahrir-kindergarten.html
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We need to start deporting muslims before this nonsense starts happening here. I don’t see much difference between this Islam nonsense and nazism. Both were religions both are racist and both should be shunned and despised.
Why is it that members of the Insane Death Cult hate anything that is fun?
I thought this was interesting:
Many of the parents were Danish converts, who were forceful and eloquent and even a little arrogant...
Is conversion to Islam a big trend in Denmark? Anybody know?
Gosh, these muslims are such fun people. They sure like to let it all hang out.
They have the one extreme: no fun whatsoever. We have the other extreme: Paris Hilton, David Hasselhoff, Lindsay Lohan, etc.
A sign of things to come, based upon current demographic trends...
Have they beheaded any of the children yet?
The Danes don't seem to have the same definition of "private school" as the rest of the world.
Not all invasions are accompanied by gunfire.
Witness the invasion of illegal immigrants into the U.S.....
You reap what you sow, Denmark. Welcome to the harvest.
It is starting to happen here. They took Christian prayer from schools ,but allow the Muslims to pray. In New York some police are allowed to wear turbans instead of the approved uniform cap.
A Eurabia alert here.
Let’s hope the Euros get it and soon.
We need to stop allowing any Muslims into this country now!!!
This may be a British English translation, in which “private” actually means public. Or it may refer to the fact that many EU countries actually support schools that are non-public in the US sense through an indirect formula where the schools receive some government money but their staff and administration are not under civil service rules (according to our interpretation of this).
Coddle the moongod death cultists and this is only the beginning of what you'll see.
Can't these people let their kids enjoy even a few years of happy childhood before training them to hate the entire world?? A**holes.
Just part of the global war on childhood, really. Danish Muslims forbid their children to sing and dance. Surprised?? American schools forbid their children to eat sweet foods, play tag, run on the playground, and draw pictures of guns. American towns ban kids from skateboarding, being out after dark, and riding bikes w/o annoying-ass helmets.
All this pales in comparison, of course, with African kids having no chance right at birth as a result of being decimated by AIDS and poverty, Chinese babies killed AFTER being born for being the wrong gender, and "Palestinian" children trained since adolescence to kill themselves and as many other children as possible.
Is it just me, or is Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End starting to look less and less like fiction, with fundie Muslims as only one factor out of several?
For the life of me, I can't understand how any SANE individual would convert to Islam after all that has come to light about Islam over the last 5 1/2 years.
The ones wearing turbans are probably Sikhs, who are hated by Muslims and are probably our allies. But that said, I think anyone who is in any official organization should wear the regulation uniform.
I live to see EXTRACTION....somewhere...
“claiming they forced Christian traditions onto the children”
so it’s all right to force Christian children to perform the practices of the cult of death, but not all right to wear a stupid Christmas hat!
Any Christian parent who leaves his/her children in that hell hole may very well one day tragically regret it.
“Oh, sorry, I thought you got the memo about the clitorectomies”
“..militant Islam should be deemed ineligible for immigration to the Free World...”
Not only should it be deemed ineligible for immigration; any militant muslim immigrant, even after arrival, should be deported to his country of origin at his own expense.
“They want their kids to grow up Muslim so they don’t run around and behave like apes.”
Based on what I’ve seen of Islam, I’d say apes behave better.
It won’t happen until too late. Bush has already said he is admitting more Muslims (something cheered by the Dems). I don’t care about the Mexicans: sort out their status, expel the criminals, get a serious ID system going here, and get Mexico to help to establish a workable system. But there should be NO more Muslim immigration to the US.
Even the tiny handful we have create problems wherever they install themselves.
Spain allowed average Joe Muslims to stay after 1492, when both the Jews and the Muslims were, theoretically, expelled. The Jews were expelled because there was a lot of animosity against them, in great part because they were perceived as supporting the Muslims, and Isabel could no longer protect them. Only Muslim rulers were expelled, however, because it wasn’t known who among the theoretically Muslim Spaniards had been forcibly converted and was actually an unwilling Muslim. So they were given a chance. Only one ruler, an elderly and theoretically peaceful Muslim, was allowed to stay on the condition of paying taxes to the Spanish Crown.
He turned out to be totally unreliable, and in addition, ordinary Muslim peasants on the Mediterranean coast were immediately contacted by foreign Muslims and set up a “ resistance,” where they rampaged up and down the southern Mediterranean coast of Spain, killing entire villages of people, usually after first torturing the local Catholic priest to death.
Finally, the Muslims got arms from abroad and from some supporters in Spain, and they attacked. They were defeated, and all the remaining Muslims were expelled from Spain.
“..I can’t understand how any SANE individual would convert to Islam..”
It is not the SANE that convert.
Now I truly have seen it all. Viking helmet or Arab robe for pillaging?
Oh, yes you will!
It’s already happening here. New York is opening an Islamic language PUBLIC SCHOOL.
http://www.nysun.com/specials/gibran.php
See post 32.
New York is opening an Islamic Public School. When has there EVER been a public school which catered to a particular religion, language or ethnic group?
Your tax dollars at work. IMHO, this is grossly illegal. So much for “assimilation”.
Perhaps a class action law suit will ensue.
BUMP!
I said in my post that recent American anti-childhood trends pale in comparison to practices elsewhere. It's just that any time I read about children being denied a normal part of growing up, that gets my attention more than abstract religious conflicts among adults. I fear for our planet - of which I hope to be a part for several more decades (I'm 33) - seeing how children all over the world have their individual humanity sucked out of them. I mentioned a few examples besides bike helmets, and could think of many more. Even if public (and many private) schools rid themselves of Muslim extremism - which needs to happen, oh, yesterday - there is still so much more work to be done...
I'd rather have that extreme than the one in Denmark. At least the 3 people you mention aren't purposefully trying to kill people who stand in their way.
And:
"...convert Abdul Hamid Henrik Lund, confirms...all the parents are what the Danes call “fanatic”. They want their kids to grow up Muslim so they don’t run around and behave like apes...(and) they will know what is “halal” and “haram”.
Multiple Choice,
'Halal' is NOT:
a. A ballot
b. The result of logic or innovation
c. Related to a pig
d. Related to a dog
e. Related to any century requiring two digits to describe
f. All of the above and less.
And:"The kindergarten’s and the municipality’s ambition to open the door to another world for the fundamentalists and their children were put in doubt with such stories.'
Does it have to be a vertical door?
It's very obvious that Santa is a re-work of the traditional Little Red Man, and his reindeer have more to do with Reindeer Man than with deer. Even the elves who work all winter making toys for children manifest more of the Sa'ami tradition of spending the winters indoors making crafts for trade than they do anything else.
Plus, there's the physical background ~ it's cold, there's snow ~ what Arab would know anything about that sort of thing.
It's time for the council to subject all these funny little foreign people to a few lessons in Western European cultural adaptations. That way they don't have to make asses out of themselves every single time they open their mouths.
Besides, Europe's only truly indigenous people, the Sa'ami, shouldn't have to take this garbage from a bunch of ignorant immigrants anyway. Word gets out the Brits are tolerating this nonsense, there's gonna' be nothing but switches in the shoes.
(NOTE: So terribly many of the Brits are Danes anyway ~ invasions and stuff).
Easy to confuse the two.
The Danes have simply got to stop this nonsense of allowing immigrants to ridicule ancient Sa'ami tradition ~ it's old, it's tired, it's disgusting.
Put them in cages, label them “Saudi Arabia” and ship them off - problem solved.
Biggest difference is that there is an order of magnitude more Muslims in the world.
Well thats New York. They also have an all homosexual school.
New York is kinda weird.
Yes, it is. I’m not from there, btw, but thank you for pointing that out. Very insightful.
Go easy with the Danes!
They are the canary in the mine shaft for all of Europe, and they know it. They have shown to be very capable of confronting the islamist and their savage ways. Do a search to see what they have done to slow/stop the influx of the middle east beasts.
They are our ally!
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