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Simulation Finds 9/11 Fireproofing Key
FoxNews ^ | 6/20/07

Posted on 06/20/2007 6:47:14 PM PDT by bnelson44

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To: princess leah

They collapsed. I have two good eyes and that is what happened.


21 posted on 06/20/2007 7:49:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (If your representative will not vote for Term Limits, vote for the candidate who will.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The guys from popular mechanics wrote a book that takes on every conceived nutcase theory about the towers and smashes them all with hard science, and real facts. I rarely listen to him anymore, but micheal medved had these guys on they took all the goofballs who called in and convincingly smashed them.
22 posted on 06/20/2007 7:51:35 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: GoMeanGreen

Point taken but we are in a age of feelings not meaning.


23 posted on 06/20/2007 7:55:41 PM PDT by Otaku6
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To: miliantnutcase

I’ll have to read that book.

The people who claim LBJ killed Kennedy are exactly the same as the ones who claim Bush dropped the Twin Towers. Some Freeper who makes their living as a shrink could probably name the mental illness.


24 posted on 06/20/2007 7:57:04 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: miliantnutcase

None of these studies touch on the fact that the Port Authority of NY and NJ did not apply the fireproofing properly. Had it been installed correctly, maybe things would have turned out a little different, maybe the towers would have stood a little longer, allowing more people to escape. They’d have fallen anyway most likely, but extra minutes would have went a long way in lives saved....


25 posted on 06/20/2007 8:01:28 PM PDT by Imperialist
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To: Shooter 2.5

It really disappoints me the number of JFK conspiracy kooks there are here at FR.


26 posted on 06/20/2007 8:05:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: dfwgator

geez, the way you word it, it almost sounds like you want MORE conspiracy kooks, heheh....


27 posted on 06/20/2007 8:33:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: bnelson44

When construction of the World Trade Center began, its design called for an insulating coating on the steel support beams. The coating’s purpose was to delay heating of the beams in case of a fire, providing an estimated four hours for evacuation and fire fighting before the beams weakened to the point of structural collapse.

This insulating coating contained asbestos. Following the EPA’s lead, New York City outlawed asbestos while the Trade Center was still under construction. As a result, the coating was not used on the upper floors of the towers. An asbestos-free substitute was used, one which was inadequate according to some designers.

Engineers were surprised when the towers collapsed so soon after terrorists crashed planes into both. It may be that the collapses would have been delayed further were it not for the ban on asbestos. Any delay, of course, would have saved even more lives.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/opinion/opinion2001-06.html

Read it and weep....I wonder if families have a claim agaist the EPA...


28 posted on 06/20/2007 8:35:59 PM PDT by mo
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To: Shooter 2.5

I’ll have to read that book.

The people who claim LBJ killed Kennedy are exactly the same as the ones who claim Bush dropped the Twin Towers. Some Freeper who makes their living as a shrink could probably name the mental illness.

I don’t know if he’s a Freeper, but “Liberalism is a mental disorder” by Michael Savage seems to fit.


29 posted on 06/20/2007 8:38:59 PM PDT by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: mo
The people to blame are not the engineers. The people to blame are al-Qaeda.
30 posted on 06/20/2007 8:56:02 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: mo

I read a book called “102 Minutes” that recreates what was going on inside the building based on witnesses, phone calls, etc. Throughout the book there were chapters on the construction, insulation, limited number of stairwells, stair width, etc. The Towers were the first in the all-steel construction (as opposed to the older concrete construction of the Empire State Building, etc.).

VERY interesting book from both the personal accounts and the engineering stanpoints. Also lots of history about the police/fire communications problems, etc.


31 posted on 06/20/2007 9:13:58 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: dfwgator

You’re right. It is very disappointing. The scary thing is they quote Oliver Stone.


32 posted on 06/21/2007 4:50:05 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: mo
....I wonder if families have a claim against the EPA...

Given their over-regulation and the government's penchant to apply a hammer to a loose screw, I would think that we all have a claim against the EPA for some reason or another.

33 posted on 06/21/2007 4:53:11 AM PDT by meyer (RNC, DNC, two sides of the same coin.)
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To: bnelson44
If I recall, USA Today looked at who survived and who didn't. Most everyone below the impact points got out and most everyone above them died. Don't know if better insulation would have saved any lives. Maybe the firefighters would have gotten out before they fell.

The people above were trapped. Could they have made it to the roof and been rescued by helicopters? Perhaps if we had a way to fight the fires, rather than having to watch them burn, the extra time would have made a difference. How about foam-spraying booms on helicopters?

34 posted on 06/21/2007 6:02:10 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: bnelson44

The kooks are going insane this morning over this....(chuckle)

Its tense in mommies basement all over the country.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 6:09:08 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: GoMeanGreen

(chuckle)

No surprise, its become the single biggest kook site on the net recently.


36 posted on 06/21/2007 6:10:01 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: Dilbert56

‘If I recall, USA Today looked at who survived and who didn’t. Most everyone below the impact points got out and most everyone above them died.”

Yep.

” Don’t know if better insulation would have saved any lives. Maybe the firefighters would have gotten out before they fell.”

Maybe.

“The people above were trapped. Could they have made it to the roof and been rescued by helicopters?”

Nope. No place to land, and the winds were way to high for them to approach.

‘Perhaps if we had a way to fight the fires, rather than having to watch them burn, the extra time would have made a difference. How about foam-spraying booms on helicopters?’

Because tens of thousands of jet fuel were violently inserted into the core of the buildings, it wouldn’t have made any difference.


37 posted on 06/21/2007 6:15:06 AM PDT by Badeye ("In 2 weeks, I join the list of UNEMPLOYED". ...Goldi-Lox (karma comes around))
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To: GoMeanGreen; Badeye

What is Libertypost?


38 posted on 06/21/2007 6:19:13 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Some Freeper who makes their living as a shrink could probably name the mental illness.

There's no evidence he's a Freeper, but Charles Krauthammer (former shrink) already did it - "Bush Derangement Syndrome".

40 posted on 06/21/2007 8:16:30 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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