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Socialized Medicine Is Sicko (Government-Run Health Care NOT The Answer Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 06/21/2007 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 06/20/2007 10:16:47 PM PDT by goldstategop

I'm going to make a little prediction.

In a few days, Michael Moore's latest mockumentary, "Sicko," will release nationally.

It is an indictment of health care in the U.S. and a paean to systems in worker paradises like Cuba.

But given the notoriety and box-office success of some of Michael Moore's other agitprop fare, I predict it will be rapidly followed by the introduction of major federal legislation that will, in effect, attempt to nationalize and socialize medicine in the U.S.

In my own meager effort to pre-empt this well-orchestrated plot, I would like to bust a few of the myths that are already being spread about health care in America.

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The big scare figure bandied about by the Moore-style alarmists is that an estimated 25 million to 35 million people in this country have had no health insurance for a year or longer.

Keep in mind that is just about 10 percent of the population. So, another way to look at this equation is to say 90 percent of the population has made responsible choices with budgets to make health insurance a priority. Considering that at any given moment about 5 percent of the population workforce is unemployed, is it really shocking that 10 percent is without health insurance?

Furthermore, I know some of those people – perhaps as many as 1 or 2 percent – are very wealthy. They don't bother with health insurance. They simply pay their doctor bills as needed. So now we are talking about 8 or 9 percent of the population without insurance.

Does that mean they don't get health care?

No, it does not. In America, no one – insured or not – is turned away from emergency care.

Now let's reintroduce another hot topic into the equation – illegal aliens. We are told there are 12 million in the country at any given moment. I strongly suspect that figure is too low by half. But let's use the figure the amnesty advocates themselves use – 12 million. If we subtract just that number from the total of uninsured, we're back down to the unemployment level of about 5 percent.

Keep in mind with an unemployment figure at 5 percent, very few people are chronically unemployed. Economists would explain that this figure largely represents transitions from one job to another. About 5 percent of the public is between jobs – meaning they recently left one and are seeking, and likely to find, another.

Again, is it surprising that the percentage of uninsured would roughly correlate with the number of unemployed? It is neither shocking nor a crisis.

Another claim of those who would trade your freedom for their empowerment is that health-care costs are out of control. They explain the current system is inefficient and involves enormous administrative costs.

For once, the alarmists are actually right – to a point.

The system is broken. Administrative costs are too high. And this is a direct result of the inroads the health-care socialists have already made with programs like Medicaid and Medicare. Even private insurance programs result in radically higher costs for medical care because patients themselves are not paying the piper. Patients choose to have procedures and tests – necessary or unnecessary – they might not have if they had to pay the bill themselves.

But understand this: Further socializing the system, making it less accountable to the consumer and spreading the costs around will only send health-care fees through the roof.

This may sound cold and cruel, but it is nevertheless true: Health-care insurance is affordable for every single working family in America today. It's simply a matter of priorities.

Let me put it to you this way. Does the average American family spend more money on food or health-care insurance? The answer, of course, is food. Now, why is it that food costs are not skyrocketing like health-care costs? The answer is because food producers and retailers have to answer directly to the consumer. Health-care providers do not.

If you really want to bring down the cost of health care, insurance programs would provide only for catastrophic illnesses and injuries. Routine doctor visits and hospital treatments would be paid directly by consumers. Government would be taken out of the equation altogether.

The more you spread the pain, the more pain there will be.

That's why the real Sicko is the one who promotes government control of health care.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: freemarket; healthcare; hillary; hillarycare; josephfarah; liberalism; michaelmoore; mockumentary; sicko; singlepayer; socializedmedicine; worldnetdaily
Government-run health care IS NOT the answer. Why? Because it would further insulate the health care industry from answering to the consumer. It converts the health care system into a monopoly. And it would introduce rationing, waiting times and eliminate real health care choice. Now THAT's sicko.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 06/20/2007 10:16:49 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Additionally, the high salaries tend to attract the “best and brightest”. If you take away the financial incentive for medical professionals (which offsets the *years* of costly training), you’ll end up with a shortage of healthcare workers and, at the same time, a surplus of people lining up for “free” healthcare.


2 posted on 06/20/2007 10:25:08 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: goldstategop; ConservativeMan55; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; JulieRNR21; Cindy; Smartass; ...
Michael Moore: "I'm Mainstream Now"
TIME - 12 hours ago
Moore said that today "70% of the country agrees with [that sentiment].
They don't support Bush or the war.  I am now in the mainstream..."

   
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(Please FReepmail if you want on, or off, this list.   I certainly have no desire to increase anyone’s stress-level. Thanks!!!)

3 posted on 06/20/2007 10:28:50 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: goldstategop
Government-run health care IS NOT the answer.

I certainly agree. I will accept government subsidized premiums for PRIVATE healthcare insurance for the very poor. (Universal health care.)

But no more going to the emergency room instead of the doctor. And don't even bother going to the hospital without insurance. If you get hit by a car and don't have insurance -- who's supposed to pay for that?

If sick people show up without insurance, they should thrown out to die in the street. It's cruel, I know. But, what's the alternative? The broken system we already have.

We must stop caring for poor (or negligent) people who do not have insurance (including their kids and preemies) -- or we will ruin our health care system and drive costs even higher.

4 posted on 06/20/2007 10:32:45 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Seadog Bytes

I’ll believe he’s in the mainstream when I see the pictures of his carcass face down in the East River. Thanks SB.


5 posted on 06/20/2007 10:33:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 20, 2007.)
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To: goldstategop

My prediction is that sicko isn’t going be anywhere near as big as F911. America’s healthcare system is still by far the best in the world. Nothing comes close and most americans know it.
Michael Moore released F911 and became the leftists darling claiming it would cause Bush to not get re-elected. Liberals rushed out to see it and gave Michael Moore two hundred million dollars in box office reciepts and dvd purchases. Well Bush won the re-election and Michael Moore disappeared for years. Then it came out that he owned engergy companies like Haliburton in his stock portfolio.
I bet the fat communist has owned the stocks of for-profit healthcare companies as well.
Even the dimbulb leftists are starting to catch on that they have been scammed by a limousine communist.


6 posted on 06/20/2007 10:34:30 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Sleeping Beauty
I agree one should pay for one's care. But at the same time no one is going to deny a person whose's life is in danger emergency medical care. No one should be left to die for the means or lack of being able to pay. But for all other treatment, yes, arrangements for payment can be made between the provider and the patient.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 06/20/2007 10:37:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Seadog Bytes

LOL! Thanks for the chuckle. That’s definitely a keeper. :o)


8 posted on 06/20/2007 10:39:33 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: SunkenCiv
RE: "I’ll believe he’s in the mainstream when I see the pictures of his carcass face down in the East River."

Oh. Sorry. ...We're talkin' "MAINSTREAM" here.


9 posted on 06/20/2007 10:40:44 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: goldstategop

We need to simplify the whole medical system. Pay as you go and cut out the freebies for the indigent and illegal.


10 posted on 06/20/2007 10:41:07 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Amnesty is when you allow them to return to their country of origin without prosecution.)
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To: goldstategop

i agree. socialized medicine would be a socialist’s dream, the end of a free market;

and a feminist dream, the curtailment of judeo-christian culture.

with this said, our current medical system SUX.

you wouldn’t believe what a doctor did to my father recently, or another surgeon did to a friend, or a store clerk’s failed operation by a surgeon.

a medical license is a license to steal and maim and kill.


11 posted on 06/20/2007 10:43:37 PM PDT by ken21 (tv: 1. sells products. 2. indoctrinates viewers into socialism.)
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To: goldstategop
Those who favor a government run program seem incapable of understanding that it creates a “blob” that soaks up a large chunk of money appropriated for health care. If people think that HMOs are inefficient and arbitrary, wait until they have toe deal with a bureaucracy twice as numerous.
12 posted on 06/20/2007 10:44:36 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHOa)
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To: goldstategop

Sleeping Beauty-what a totally appropriate name for a troll.


13 posted on 06/20/2007 10:48:22 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: goldstategop
Let me put it to you this way. Does the average American family spend more money on food or health-care insurance? The answer, of course, is food. Now, why is it that food costs are not skyrocketing like health-care costs? The answer is because food producers and retailers have to answer directly to the consumer. Health-care providers do not.

This is specious. You're not going to walk into the grocery store one day and be told you need $100,000 worth of green beans if you want to keep living.

14 posted on 06/20/2007 11:06:35 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: goldstategop

The answer is regulation of Health Insurance companies who profit mightily off the middle class.


15 posted on 06/20/2007 11:08:58 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Sleeping Beauty

But, what's the alternative? 

Solve the problem... Is that too much for you to grasp?

The broken system we already have.

Medicare, Medicaid and the eight hundred pound gorilla, the FDA. ...Solve the problem. Free market competition best serves individuals and civilization. Price discovery is critically important to the market. The more freedom the market has to compete the more accurate and efficient price discovery becomes. Initiation of force, -- for the most part foisted on business of all sizes via government regulations -- oppresses free competition. Force causes the market to lose its transparency  Government has a monopoly on the initiation of force. Which for the most part government officials apply it in the interest of government, not the citizens and their businesses, markets and communities. 

Also, for the most part citizens have allowed and sometimes welcomed the destructive (albeit camouflaged) government invasion of corruption foisted on the people's businesses, markets and communities by federal, state and often local governments. 

If... no, when the people wake up to that realization, watch out!

The "natives" are growing increasingly restless. They're poised to get up in a lot of people's faces and shine spot-lights of honesty on their corruption, frauds, lies, spin and deceptions.

16 posted on 06/21/2007 12:03:44 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: ken21

Wait til real socialized medicine is here. Quality of care will plummet. The people working at the DMV will be making decisions about your medical treatment.


17 posted on 06/21/2007 12:08:18 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: goldstategop

Is there any way we can get Mexico to pay for the care of its nationals over here, most of who aren’t even supposed to BE here. I’m jolly sure that if the situation was reversed, Mexico would insist on the baksheesh or el gringo is tossed out in the street.


18 posted on 06/21/2007 12:13:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: goldstategop
So, another way to look at this equation is to say 90 percent of the population has made responsible choices with budgets to make health insurance a priority.

For how many of them is health coverage optional in their employment? Whatever their virtue may be, the rest are simply lucky.

19 posted on 06/21/2007 12:19:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: goldstategop
Government-run health care IS NOT the answer. Why? Because it would further insulate the health care industry from answering to the consumer. It converts the health care system into a monopoly. And it would introduce rationing, waiting times and eliminate real health care choice. Now THAT's sicko.
Well most Americans have all of those already thanks to HMOs. Or they wait in the ER instead and cost the tax payer even more.

I'm conservative on most things, but the best health care I ever got was socialized medicine in Japan. Cheapest too.
20 posted on 06/21/2007 1:42:05 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: Triggerhippie
Additionally, the high salaries tend to attract the “best and brightest”. If you take away the financial incentive for medical professionals (which offsets the *years* of costly training), you’ll end up with a shortage of healthcare workers and, at the same time, a surplus of people lining up for “free” healthcare.
Not necessarily true. In Japan they have a Doctors and Stewardess dating club because both professions are considered the "top" of the social ladder for men and women respectively. Doctor's wives in Japan don't seem to be lacking in prada goods either.
21 posted on 06/21/2007 1:47:05 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu
Best medical care I received was in the Baptist Hospital in Bangkok. Went for a bladder infection. Arrived in the emergency room at 7:57. Told if I waited 3 minutes, it would be treated as a doctor visit and not emergency. Okay.

At 8:00 prompt, was called. Taken to the back, weighed and measured, handed cup, and shown the bathroom.

Returned the cup... told to have a seat while tests were run. Around 8:30 (no later) shown into a room. Doctor - the actual Doctor - comes in, has tests results, goes over them. Gives me three prescriptions.

Nurse takes prescription tells me to go pay. Prescriptions will be filled and waiting.

Present my ticket. Bill is brought up. Total amount $28.00 US dollars. Paid and as I left the area, nurse reappered with the three prescriptions.

In and out under an hour.

I have a 10:00 appointment with American doctor, I am not even shown into the little waiting room until 11:00.

22 posted on 06/21/2007 1:58:50 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: goldstategop; All

The true 500 pound gorillas are lawyers!

The true cost of medical care is inflated thousand of times by all the lawsuits, doctors insurance, and test done to prevent lawsuits.

Also, the high sugar, low fiber, low vitamin and mineral diet that most of us are on, don’t help the problem.


23 posted on 06/21/2007 2:10:14 AM PDT by liliesgrandpa (The Republican Party - spineless!)
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To: liliesgrandpa

the 10,000 pound gorilla are all the illegals using the US hospital emergency rooms as out patient clinics!!!!

no insurnace/no pay ....free care no matter what!!!!

of course, if they are refused...your answer with the lawyers/lawsuits kick right in!!!


24 posted on 06/21/2007 2:25:17 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Sleeping Beauty

wow...how christian of you. A real culture of life you’re displaying there.


25 posted on 06/21/2007 4:04:21 AM PDT by TINS
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To: nyyankeefan
your answer with the lawyers/lawsuits kick right in!!

Which is one of the major reasons we're now dealing with these issues...

26 posted on 06/21/2007 5:31:03 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Watch yo ass - to use an American saying. I read that some US Senators want to see a free Health and Welfare service for all, from cradle to grave.
I have worked for 25 years, and pay 2 types of tax at the end of each month; income tax and Class 2 National Insurance contributions (the second one finances public healthcare here).
I also voluntarily pay £40 ($80) a month to PPP private health insurance, my Mrs pays the same amount. Neither of us have been unemployed for more than a few weeks in a quarter of a century. Now, do we get a rebate on our NI contributions ? Do we f**k !
Meanwhile some scumbag finishes a 5 year sentence in Lindholme, gets free housing (rent paid), is exempt from all local and national taxes, and recieves about £120 ($240) a week. He may father 2 or 3 sprogs with different women, who in turn will get public housing, weekly money, and free healthcare.
IN 16 or 17 years time those sprogs will have offsring of their own and you will see 3 generations who have never had to earn a penny. Meanwhile my taxes go up and up and up, as I went to College and learned a skill. But of course I forgot people like me come last, even our Conservative Party says they’ll leave this system as it is.

If I was 15 years younger I would emigrate.


27 posted on 06/21/2007 5:33:52 AM PDT by jabbermog
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
America’s healthcare system is still by far the best in the world. Nothing comes close and most americans know it.

Yes, we have the top doctors, best research, finest hospitals and equipment, etc, etc. At issue is ACCESS to care. But the leftie idiots twist those stats around until it looks like Cuba and other dungeon countries deliver better care.

28 posted on 06/21/2007 5:34:23 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
My prediction is that sicko isn’t going be anywhere near as big as F911.

Got that right. Opening between Pixar's "Ratatoulle" and "Live Free or Die Hard", "Sicko" Box Office for that weekend is going to make Moore very ill! Can't wait for him to be ignored!

29 posted on 06/21/2007 5:38:08 AM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: goldstategop
Milton Friedman had a proposed solution to the USA’s health care. In summary, it provided:
1) Eliminate Medicare and Medicaid;
2) Provide catastrophic coverage for all Americans with a high deductible;
3) The deductible gap would be the individual’s choice based on the free market. Coverage would be more affordable since the catastrophic coverage would be covered by Government.
4) Eliminate government tax and other subsidies for health insurance.

The result would eliminate a huge bureaucracy engaged in price controlling by Medicaid and Medicare. Individuals could shop for medical care like the do for many things on the Internet (not in place when Friedman proposed this). Individuals would have more control.

30 posted on 06/21/2007 6:08:53 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Sleeping Beauty
Nah, we don't have to throw people in the street to die.

In the 'olden days' (like pre LBJ) there were things called 'Charity Hospitals' where the poor went. But now there's no need for them when the gubmint is picking up the tab at the Mayo Clinic for sore throats and hangovers.

End Medicaid and Charity Hospitals will re-appear.

31 posted on 06/21/2007 6:09:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 06/21/2007 6:44:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Triggerhippie
If you take away the financial incentive for medical professionals (which offsets the *years* of costly training), you’ll end up with a shortage of healthcare workers

This is not emphasized enough. It is already happening. I know people who have decided to not go to medical school because of already declining salaries, increasing financial liability (lawsuits), and the threat of more of this as an inevitable result of further socialization of medicine. I myself recently withdrew an acceptance to medical school to pursue a more certain, more lucrative career path without as large of a threat of government take over. Who in his right mind would spend ten years and a quarter million dollars to become a government slave?
33 posted on 06/21/2007 7:08:58 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: goldstategop

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34 posted on 06/21/2007 7:49:13 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: devolve; Seadog Bytes

Very funny Seadog! I have the actual gif that walks across the page and does that - but I’m not going to post it, lol!


35 posted on 06/21/2007 4:13:32 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: NRA2BFree; potlatch; Lady Jag; Soaring Feather; Alamo-Girl; Kathy in Alaska; MEG33; Cindy; ...
 
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36 posted on 06/25/2007 2:19:29 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome, certainly!


37 posted on 06/25/2007 2:21:08 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Seadog Bytes

Put me on your “list”! Thanks Seadog.


38 posted on 06/25/2007 2:23:44 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: devolve; Seadog Bytes; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; bitt

Ahh, that’s excellent Seadog! Thanks for pinging.


39 posted on 06/25/2007 2:24:34 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: Seadog Bytes; potlatch

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LOL!


40 posted on 06/25/2007 2:51:42 PM PDT by devolve ( _Illegal_Aliens_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: goldstategop
Furthermore, I know some of those people – perhaps as many as 1 or 2 percent – are very wealthy. They don't bother with health insurance.

I didn't bother with health insurance for several years, and I wasn't particularly rich.

41 posted on 06/25/2007 2:55:59 PM PDT by opus86
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RE: "Put me on your “list”! Thanks Seadog."

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42 posted on 06/25/2007 3:44:10 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: potlatch; devolve

43 posted on 06/25/2007 3:46:29 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Seadog Bytes

Just used it on a ZOT thread..LOL


44 posted on 06/25/2007 4:42:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33
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45 posted on 06/25/2007 5:32:05 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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