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Vatican 'backs ex-Kennedy wife'
BBC News ^ | 6-20-07

Posted on 06/20/2007 11:25:56 PM PDT by wanderin

The Vatican has reversed the annulment of former US Congressman Joseph P Kennedy II's first marriage, his ex-wife Sheila Rauch says. They were divorced in 1991 and Mr Kennedy obtained the annulment in secret in 1993, before he married his secretary Anne Elizabeth Kelly.

Ms Rauch had alleged that the Kennedy family had used its influence in the church to obtain the annulment.

Mr Kennedy is the nephew of President John F Kennedy, assassinated in 1963.

His father, Robert Kennedy, was in turn murdered in 1968 as he campaigned for the Democratic Party's nomination for presidential candidate.

"The annulment decision totally overlooked the fact that I felt that we had a very strong marriage in the beginning, we had two wonderful children, and it lasted," said Ms Rauch.

The Vatican reached its decision in 2005 and informed her in May, Ms Rauch said.

She received the notification in Latin and had it translated by the archdiocese of Boston, the Boston Globe newspaper says.

Mr Kennedy has made no comment on the Vatican's decision.

An annulment declares a marriage invalid, allowing a person to marry again in the Roman Catholic Church and receive the sacraments.

Mr Kennedy served in the US House of Representatives from 1987 to 1999.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: annulment; congressman; kennedy; marriage
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To: Lorianne

It’s really not the same. The guidelines are expressedly laid out, and if someone fails to adhere to it, it’s the failing of the practitioner not the policy.

Your comparision would be like a law against murder and since people commit murder, the people who wrote and enforce the law are guilty of capriciousness.

It’s quite clear, however that your attempt to compare the Catholic Church with repugnant radical Islam was more an attempt to make a personal statement than an dispassionate observation.

I’m sorry you have such prejudice against the Church, and hope whatever religion you choose to believe in would foster a little respect for others, since we are Ambassadors for our faith.


21 posted on 06/21/2007 3:41:44 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: wanderin
Does an annulment make the children fall into the illegitimate category?

No.

22 posted on 06/21/2007 3:50:37 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SteveMcKing
She received the notification in Latin

How courteous.

As does everyone else. Latin is the official language of the Church and every written document that the Vatican produces is in Latin, then it is translated into the vernacular.

23 posted on 06/21/2007 3:54:00 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Lorianne
but this ruling was a huge embarrassment for the Catholic Church ... and they well know it.

Incorrect. This is an embarrassment to the Archdiocese of Boston, long known as a cesspool, not the Church. Sensible people realize that.

24 posted on 06/21/2007 3:57:54 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wanderin

Hey, I thought the contemporary Catholic Church had been cleansed of this kind of corruption. No? I wonder if I could buy a few indulgences???


25 posted on 06/21/2007 5:14:32 AM PDT by Savage Beast (If you think like the Roman Empire you'll act like the Roman Empire--and fall like the Roman Empire!)
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To: Lorianne
The current ruling capricious? Hardly...

The initial ruling in 1963 was capricious....

The ruling by the Vatican set the record straight after a long and lengthy appeal process of reviewing cannon law...

This would be akin to the secular ruling of a lower courts decision being eventually overturned by the Supreme court.

The ruling by the church has no secular provisions and only reflects the members standing with the church....

26 posted on 06/21/2007 5:19:09 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: wanderin

No. The concept of children being “legitimate” is of a secular nature and is rooted in the rights of heirs to estates and the dispensation of property.

To the Church, there is no such thing as an illegitimate or legitimate child. There are just children.


27 posted on 06/21/2007 5:21:02 AM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: wanderin

No!
The children do NOT retroactively become “illegitimate”!


28 posted on 06/21/2007 5:25:58 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Lorianne

This is not capricious, it is law, which I might add, happens to mirror our justice system very closely.

If a tribunal awards a decree of nullity, the respondent has the right under Church law to appeal the decision. They can appeal the decision to a regional tribunal OR appeal to Rome. Mrs. Kennedy chose to appeal to Rome, and Rome decided that the tribunal in Boston erred in it’s decision.

This is not caprice, it’s justice.


29 posted on 06/21/2007 5:28:25 AM PDT by Juana la Loca
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To: wanderin
The Kennedy family have always been hypocritical Catholics. Posing as good Catholics when it suited their political ambitions, but living lives far from the Church. Good example is Teddy Kennedy who is a champion for abortion on demand. However, I am sure that when Teddy assumes room temperature, he will be given a full Catholic funeral with at least one Bishop and likely a Cardinal presiding.
30 posted on 06/21/2007 6:09:38 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Lorianne
So is the American legal system "capricious" because appellate courts reverse lower courts when they err in fact or law?

Don't bother answering. Your use of the word "sharia" to describe the ecclesiastical legal process of the Catholic Church tells me all I need to know about you--and all anyone needs to know about your views of the Catholic Church.

31 posted on 06/21/2007 7:34:00 AM PDT by d-back
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To: wanderin
Does an annulment make the children fall into the illegitimate category?

No need to split hairs of this. Since they are part of the Kennedy clan they are bastards not matter what their parent's marital state is/was.

32 posted on 06/21/2007 9:23:35 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Juana la Loca

BS
She didn’t even know about the ruling for several years because it was done in secret.


33 posted on 06/21/2007 10:20:38 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: d-back

I happen to have a very high opinion of much about the Catholic Church and am a great admirer of John Paul II.

I do, however, call a spade a spade. And this annulment thing is medieval, capricious, hypocrital and sexist ... and very much like many arcane laws under sharia law which are meant to “bend the rules” for some and not for others. It harks back to the days of buying indulgences ... and should be done away with.

It’s also a huge embarassment for the Catholic Church ... and they know it. That’s why they tried to keep this Kennedy annulment thing quiet.


34 posted on 06/21/2007 10:25:23 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Exactly my point. Just as rogue Islamic clerics can mete out “sharia law” as they see fit, so also in other religious organizations. It’s the nature of the beast.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 10:27:35 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Speaking of BS, that is a pile of it.

I happen to be a case sponsor for the Metropolitan Tribunal of Atlanta. You should not speak of which you do not know.

Rome would not have reversed the decision had the case not been appealed by the respondent. As Ms. Rauch is aware that the judgment from Rome was in her favor, I fail to see how this was “done in secret.” All decrees issued from the Roman Rota are in Latin. It is not an attempt at secrecy, it is the language of the Church.

The article indicates that they were divorced in 1991 and she received her decision from Rome in 1993. You cannot seek an annulment from the Church until your divorce is final. This would have been a formal case, as opposed to an informal case as it was not based on impediments. Informal cases move much more quickly through the process. The resolution time for a formal case varies, but can take 6 mos to a year to receive a decision from the local tribunal. She then appealed to Rome, which would have taken another year. So, to have divorced in 1991 and received the decision from Rome in 1993 sounds just about right.


36 posted on 06/22/2007 5:51:16 AM PDT by Juana la Loca
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