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Fred Thompson called out on his profession of faith Evangelical prof: not active in church
worldnetdaily.com ^ | Posted: June 10, 2007

Posted on 06/21/2007 6:57:50 AM PDT by DBCJR

Doubts continue to swirl over Fred Thompson's faith ... Thompson shot back that he's not only a Christian, but a member of the fundamentalist Churches of Christ.

...Professor Mark Elrod of Harding University said he doubts Thompson is "filling out an attendance card at a Church of Christ on Sundays." ...he hasn't been able to find any information regarding the former senator's actual membership... "In our tradition," Elrod said, "that's called 'being out of fellowship' or a 'lapsed member.'"

... WND has learned Thompson was baptized into Christ in the early 1950s at the First Street Church of Christ in Lawrenceburg, Tenn.

His mother, Ruth Thompson, regularly attends the Brentwood Church of Christ near Nashville... Fred Thompson is known to worship there when he visits his mother.

In 1997, Thompson spoke at a fund-raising event at Freed-Hardeman University in Henderson, Tenn. – another college affiliated with the Churches of Christ – where he was presented with a Bible. He and his parents have set up academic scholarships in their names there.

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According to a spokesman for Focus on the Family, Dobson had not not meant to disparage Thompson and was simply "attempting to highlight that to the best of his knowledge, Sen. Thompson hadn't clearly communicated his religious faith, and many evangelical Christians might find this a barrier to supporting him."

Dobson told reporter Dan Gilgoff he had never met Thompson ...

Thompson and his first wife, Sara Lindsey, divorced in 1985. The Church of Christ frowns on divorce, and believes only "fornication," or sexual infidelity, can be grounds for divorce and remarriage.

In 2002, Thompson and second wife, Jeri Kehn, were married in the liberal United Church of Christ, not the ultra-conservative Churches of Christ to which Thompson claims to belong.

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Well, it seems that Osama Obama and Fred are "brethren" in the same UCC, at least Fred was married there, most likely because his conservative church would not marry him after his divorce.

I am not sure what the big deal is, though, even if Fred is a non-practicing Church of Christ memember, which evidence in this article seems to say otherwise. Bill Clinton was a non-parcticing Southern Baptist, practicing adultery instead. Not too sure of what Hillary, Giuliani, and McCain practice. Mitt Romney is practicing, but not Christianity. Obama is a non-practicing Black-separatist "Christian" (UCC) AND a non-practicing Muslim. Does anyone know what the Breck Girl practices or doesn't practice???

Bush practices his Christian faith and so does Carter. Some have doubts about them. I say let's vote on their voting records and proven stances on issues.

1 posted on 06/21/2007 6:57:55 AM PDT by DBCJR
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To: DBCJR
This is nothing more than the Left trying to say to Evangelicals, "See, Fred isn't a bible-thumper like you!" in hopes that we will not support him.

The only thing this accomplishes is to once again demonstrate that the secular Left in this country have absolutely no understanding of the Evangelical Right.

2 posted on 06/21/2007 7:01:05 AM PDT by Pete ("Sucks to be you. Shouldn't have been a terrorist, Dawg.")
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To: DBCJR
"Not too sure of what Hillary, Giuliani, and McCain practice."

I believe Rudy is a Catholic, not sure about the others.

3 posted on 06/21/2007 7:01:33 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: DBCJR

The Brentwood church is a group of Christians who are striving together to serve Jesus Christ. We believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God, providing us with everything we need to know about life in God’s kingdom. The Christians at Brentwood regularly study together, pray together, and encourage one another in our walk with the Lord. We would be delighted to have you join us in these endeavors.

This is the statement on their web page, hardly what Barry’s church practices.


4 posted on 06/21/2007 7:02:17 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: DBCJR
I say let's vote on their voting records and proven stances on issues.

One of the first sane comments I have seen on the subject for a while. Politics and religion should not be mixed IMHO, a religious faith may give an indication of the candidate's character and how they may lean on certain issues but religion should not have any basis upon how people vote.

5 posted on 06/21/2007 7:03:56 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: DBCJR
..."filling out an attendance card at a Church of Christ on Sundays."

Does anyone here want their faith questioned because they don't fill out an attendance card or otherwise attend services regularly? I quit attending and contributing because of the abuse of the political system by most major church organizations. There might will be a larger number of truly faithful people not attending church than there are in regular services.

6 posted on 06/21/2007 7:04:01 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: DBCJR

Harding University: The home of the Wilbur Mills Education Service Co-Op. No kidding. The liberal arts school is located in Searcy, Arkansas.

Seems like the liberals are scared to death of Fred.

What a pity.


7 posted on 06/21/2007 7:04:14 AM PDT by RexBeach (Americans never quit. -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: All
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8 posted on 06/21/2007 7:04:15 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: DBCJR
SO WHO CARES !!!

Relationship with God is a personal thing. I don’t attend much church and I can 100% attribute that to the fact that my father is a Baptist Minister.

I saw the poster on hypocrisy, both in him and in the fine leaders of the churches he pastored.

Doesn’t mean I don’t love God. Doesn’t mean that I don’t love my country. Doesn’t mean I’m not conservative.

9 posted on 06/21/2007 7:04:22 AM PDT by TaxxMann (Can't put a dollar sign on citizenship - oh wait, they just did !)
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To: DBCJR

I’m not a big Mitt Romney fan, but to say Mormons are not christians is, in my opinion, wrong. The name of the demonination is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. This is from Wikipaedia:

Adherents to the church (usually called Mormons, Latter-day Saints or LDS) believe that Jesus Christ leads the church by revelation given to the President of the Church, whom they consider to be a prophet. They consider themselves to be Christians, but do not consider themselves part of the Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant traditions.


10 posted on 06/21/2007 7:05:35 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: Enosh
I believe Rudy is a Catholic,

CINO. I think the church has made mention of some of his anti-Catholic positions.

11 posted on 06/21/2007 7:05:41 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Pete
This is nothing more than the Left trying to say to Evangelicals, "See, Fred isn't a bible-thumper like you!" in hopes that we will not support him.

The only thing this accomplishes is to once again demonstrate that the secular Left in this country have absolutely no understanding of the Evangelical Right.

Aided and abetted by clowns like Dobson, who will eagerly carry the Left's water if he thinks it will gain him the slightest financial or political advantage.

He ought to be ashamed.

I couldn't care less about how, when and how often Fred worships. I vote for the man, not his family background, ethnicity or faith.

If he's a good man, a trustworthy man who will uphold his oath to defend the Constitution, he could go to church every Sunday or not at all for all I care.

12 posted on 06/21/2007 7:06:37 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Enosh
Clinton is a United Methodist.

Rudy Giuliani is an excommunicated former Catholic who still shows up at Masses from time to time to be photographed.

John McCain is an Episcopalian.

13 posted on 06/21/2007 7:06:52 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: DBCJR

You know, all these little hit-piece non-stories make me think Fred has got some people scared. I’m starting to like the guy.


14 posted on 06/21/2007 7:07:01 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: showme_the_Glory
"his anti-Catholic positions."

Yeah, like baby killing. That tends to raise eyebrows.

15 posted on 06/21/2007 7:07:22 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: showme_the_Glory

My own Catholicism is long since lapsed, and I don’t even consider myself a believer anymore, and I could still be a better “Catholic” than Rudy.


16 posted on 06/21/2007 7:07:34 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: snugs
but religion should not have any basis upon how people vote.

That decision is not yours to make. A registered voter can vote or not vote for any candidate they please, for whatever reason. Elected office is not one of the EEOC jobs.

That said, I think Thompson is still our best choice.
17 posted on 06/21/2007 7:08:27 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: DBCJR

I believe that Bubba “practiced” his Southern Baptism while he was Arkansas governor. He discovered that the Little Rock services were televised and so he became a visible member of the choir.


18 posted on 06/21/2007 7:08:39 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Enosh
I believe Rudy is a Catholic, not sure about the others.

Tom Tancredo was raised as a Catholic but now attends an Evangelical Presbyterian church.

I haven't been to church in more than a year because I work Sundays, but that doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. While I'm not necessarily opposed to Fred Thompson, I am not now a supporter of him. Nevertheless, a lack of attendance doesn't mean he's not a Christian, and it ticks me off that someone is suggesting that.

His faith, or lack of it, is between him and God.

19 posted on 06/21/2007 7:08:49 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic t gehate, t ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furor gan)
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To: DBCJR
My sister-in-law used to be Church Of Christ before she converted to Catholicism.

It is a very conservative and fundamental denomination (they claim not to be a denomination at all) in general.

The UCC is radically different from the COC.

Barack Obama's church is a UCC church.

20 posted on 06/21/2007 7:09:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pete

This is not going to work. Fred’s first marriage was at age 17. No church, of which I am aware, would not concede that a marriage contracted at such an early age and under the particular circumstances there does not involve a strong possibility that the element of consent was absent, which would make it subject to annulment (i.e.- the marriage did not exist at all).

I believe strongly in the indissolubility of marriage, but I am not in the least bothered by Fred Thompson’s divorce and remarriage. Even less than Reagan’s, which was contracted between two people in their late 20s as opposed to a couple of teenagers facing a pregnancy.


21 posted on 06/21/2007 7:10:11 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: TaxxMann

I am not surprised that he does not attend (or rarely). What bugs church people is these politicians pretend when they need votes that “I’m just like you”. Did anyone really believe Thompson was into that? I will vote for him for his positions on things I care about.


22 posted on 06/21/2007 7:10:22 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: wideawake
"Rudy Giuliani is an excommunicated former Catholic"

I assume it was latae sententiae, or did they smack him into tomorrow?

23 posted on 06/21/2007 7:10:29 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: DBCJR

This is an old article that has been posted repeatedly.

If you read the original — not the one from WND — you’d see that it was written in a playful tone, not critical whatsoever of Thompson.


24 posted on 06/21/2007 7:11:55 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: SittinYonder

Rudy is not real catholic. He is pro-choice.


25 posted on 06/21/2007 7:12:27 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: NoBullZone
I’m not a big Mitt Romney fan, but to say Mormons are not christians is, in my opinion, wrong.

Mormons do not believe in the doctrine of original sin and they do not believe in the Trinity (they believe that the Son and the Father are not One). If you don't even know who and what the son of God is, I don't see how you can be a Christian in the traditional sense.
26 posted on 06/21/2007 7:12:39 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: DBCJR
I don’t think it’s right for any Christian to question the authenticity of any other Christian’s faith unless they are engaging in open, unrepentant sin or preaching a Gospel other than that revealed by scripture. The apostle Paul asks, “Who are you to judge another’s servant?”. This is one area where EVERY Christian needs to work on the plank in their own eye before criticizing the splinter in another’s.
27 posted on 06/21/2007 7:13:26 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: DBCJR
This article was posted last week or the week before, and completely dissected and largely discredited at that time.

I'm too lazy to go look for the other thread, it's way down the roster by now, but here were the main points covered:

1. The perfesser is a screaming liberal whose "favorite politician" is Jimmy Carter. That in and of itself disqualifies anything the man has to say.

2. Since CofC congregations are largely independent, there are plenty that never "fill out a card". There are also many faithful members who, for whatever reason, never serve in the church offices listed.

3. Where somebody gets married has little or nothing to do with his religious beliefs . . . especially if he's a man. Marriages are almost always organized by the bride and her family, and usually held in her family's church. Some folks wind up getting married in a church simply because the sanctuary is big enough to hold the guests. And people change over time . . . my husband and I were married in an Episcopal church because that was my family's church. He was a Methodist at the time, later became Episcopalian, and then we both became Catholic. Anybody who said "they must be Episcopalian because they got married there" would be wrong, and doubly wrong in my husband's case.

28 posted on 06/21/2007 7:14:11 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: wideawake

Rudy Giuliani is an excommunicated former Catholic


Do you have a link to any official source of his ‘excommunication’? thanks, I’ve looked but have found none.


29 posted on 06/21/2007 7:14:40 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: NoBullZone
I’m not a big Mitt Romney fan, but to say Mormons are not christians is, in my opinion, wrong. The name of the demonination is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Like the Christian Scientists!

About Fred, though, in general most of these guys lead secular lives. Romney sure didn't take Mormon teachings very seriously until he decided to run for president.

As a Catholic regarding church attendance, a pretty clear standard is attending Mass on Sundays and other days of obligation. To miss one Sunday is a serious sin. For evangelicals, going to church is a much more nebulous thing. They're not celebrating any sacrament, they're just gettin' their prayer on.

30 posted on 06/21/2007 7:15:21 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: Enosh
In Giuliani's case, he has specifically divorced Donna Hanover and remarried Judith Nathan.

The Church does not recognize divorce and considers Donna Hanover to be his wife.

He is therefore living in sin with a woman not his wife as far as the Church is concerned.

31 posted on 06/21/2007 7:15:34 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Enosh
I assume it was latae sententiae

You assume correctly.

32 posted on 06/21/2007 7:16:07 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
Rudy is not real catholic.

I didn't sugget that he was. However, I think Tom Tancredo is a real Evangelical Presbyterian. He is pro-life.

33 posted on 06/21/2007 7:16:11 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic t gehate, t ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furor gan)
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To: DBCJR
Does anyone know what the Breck Girl practices or doesn't practice???

I think the Breck Girl is United Methodist, but I may have him confused with another Marxist (Hitlery perhaps).

34 posted on 06/21/2007 7:17:02 AM PDT by Marathoner
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To: DBCJR

Where’s the “Not This Sh*t Again” graphic?

I really don’t care how active Fred is in his church, and if the Bible-thumpers can’t deal with it, I don’t know what to tell them anymore. I do know this:

-Fred is pro-life, albeit with a Federalist stance
-Fred is against embryonic stem-cell research
-Fred doesn’t believe in gay marriage, although he feels that on the state level, civil unions are OK if that particular state feels that they want it (which BTW is the status quo now)

If that’s not good enough, I don’t know what is.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 7:18:47 AM PDT by RockinRight (Our 44th President will be Fred Dalton Thompson!)
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To: JohnnyZ
For evangelicals, going to church is a much more nebulous thing. They're not celebrating any sacrament, they're just gettin' their prayer on.

Unfortunately, that is more common that it should be but it is not doctrinal. Evangelicals proclaim not only consistent corporate worship but also a dedication to a specific local church. That dedication is demonstrated, for example, through the attendance of corporate worship (Sunday meeting), tithes/offerings and service. Again, unfortunately, there are many evangelical communities where this is not practiced.

36 posted on 06/21/2007 7:20:00 AM PDT by Pete ("Sucks to be you. Shouldn't have been a terrorist, Dawg.")
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To: wideawake

Has Rudy officially been excommunicated or are we just assuming he has been (which would be likely based on things he’s done...)


37 posted on 06/21/2007 7:20:10 AM PDT by RockinRight (Our 44th President will be Fred Dalton Thompson!)
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To: deport
I think you may be laboring under a mistaken notion of what constitutes excommunication.

In the Catholic Church the means of excommunication can be either by law by a person.

Excommunications by law can be either automatic or judicial.

Giuliani is excommunicated automatically by law - no official paperwork or pronouncement is needed.

By supporting the legality and the funding of abortion and by living openly in sin with a woman not his wife he is automatically excommunicated.

No official paperwork or notice is required.

38 posted on 06/21/2007 7:21:15 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: RockinRight

Read post 38.


39 posted on 06/21/2007 7:21:34 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: deport
It was an excommunication "latae sententiae" -- i.e. it's an automatic excommunication because his mortal sin is public. . . . living with a woman not his wife.

Not to mention his position on abortion . . . and all the other public beliefs he holds that are contrary to Church teachings.

He's a "Catholic of Convenience" - he just wants as many Catholic votes as he can flim-flam out of the inattentive and ignorant.

40 posted on 06/21/2007 7:21:41 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Marathoner; DBCJR

John Edwards is a United Methodist.


41 posted on 06/21/2007 7:22:51 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

What you said! (I really oughta read the whole thread before I post . . .)


42 posted on 06/21/2007 7:22:52 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: wideawake; deport; RockinRight

See #32, it was automatic.


43 posted on 06/21/2007 7:23:00 AM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: JamesP81

They are not traditional 4th century Christians. Their views are more in tune with 1st century Christianity. 1st Century Christians are not traditional Christians either because the tradition did not start until 4th century.


44 posted on 06/21/2007 7:29:30 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: DBCJR
As a member, lapsed or otherwise, of the Church of Christ, Fred Thompson would not be saying the Nicene Creed as I do and, if he were to say it, he would certainly say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, whereas I, as an Orthodox Christian, condemn the addition of the filioque.

Which obviously means that Fred Thompson's name is mud in my book and, if he thinks I'm going to vote for such a bald-faced heretic as himself, he'd just better think again. (/SARC!!!)

45 posted on 06/21/2007 7:30:45 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: DBCJR
not active in church

neither am I particularly but I go for my kids and I believe strongly.

church doesn't make a Chrisitan ...acceptance does.

46 posted on 06/21/2007 7:31:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (on supervised release...btw....I know Trent Lott and he sucks......)
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To: Pete
Again, unfortunately, there are many evangelical communities where this is not practiced.

Everybody gets to make their own rules, who's to say who's right?

47 posted on 06/21/2007 7:31:16 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
1st Century Christians are not traditional Christians either because the tradition did not start until 4th century.

Christian tradition started with Jesus and went from there.

48 posted on 06/21/2007 7:33:11 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: DBCJR

Divide and conquer


49 posted on 06/21/2007 7:34:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (Conservatives -- We're NOT DEAD YET !!!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
Their views are more in tune with 1st century Christianity.

!st century Christianity was based on gold plates allegedly found in a backyard in upstate New York eighteen hundred years in the future?

Wow.

50 posted on 06/21/2007 7:35:58 AM PDT by wideawake
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