Skip to comments.We'd have more power in EU if Germans hadn't 'reduced our population' in WWII, says Polish PM
Posted on 06/21/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by RWR8189
The Polish PM has stunned European leaders today with an astonishing attack on Germany for starting the Second World War.
In a spectacularly undiplomatic outburst, he said his country was losing out in today's European Union as a direct result of the millions of deaths that followed its invasion by Germany in 1939.
"We are only demanding one thing - that we get back what was taken from us," said Jaroslaw Kaczynski at the opening of the EU summit in Brussels, chaired by German chancellor Angela Merkel.
"If Poland had not had to live through the years of 1939-45, Poland would be today looking at the demographics of a country of 66 million."
The issue of population is at the heart of a heated row over voting rights that could wreck Tony Blair's last EU summit.
A proposed new system of sharing out votes rewards countries such as Germany with the biggest numbers - and Poland is angrily demanding more.
Poland's population is 38 million - implying that Mr Kaczynski blames the Germans for the loss of 28 million people.
Mr Kaczynski and his twin brother Lech, Poland's president, are said to be Second World War obsessives, with an encyclopaedic knowledge of their country's sufferings under occupation.
The identical twins, whose father fought in the 1944 Warsaw uprising, have become infamous for their unrestrained comments and dislike of EU integration.
Luxembourg's premier, Jean-Claude Juncker, said they should stop living in the past. "You have to jump into the present," he told FT Deutschland.
"You will not be happy in the long run if you are always looking in the rear-view mirror."
It sets the scene for a rancorous dinner tonight when leaders of the 27 EU states need to thrash out a series of disputes to avoid a crisis.
Mr Blair, notching up his 47th EU summit, told his Cabinet in London that he was prepared to walk away from the table unless his own demands were met in full.
Before flying out, he and Gordon Brown had telephone talks with Mrs Merkel - indicating that Mr Brown is intensely involved in the negotiations.
Mr Blair came under fire for trying to water down the EU's "son of constitution" treaty. Mr Juncker a veteran federalist, fumed: "We will not stand by and see all the substance removed from the treaty."
New French president Nicolas Sarkozy said there were multiple disputes.
"We don't just have problems with Poland," he said. "We have problems with the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, a little bit with the Czech Republic. The problems are numerous."
Privately, No 10 indicated that Mr Blair wanted his demands met "100 per cent". But European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso retorted: "All the leaders say that they want 100 per cent achievement. But in Europe you've got to be reasonable and rational.
"At the end there has to be some, let's say, agreement."
Mrs Merkel sent an 11th-hour letter pleading with the leaders to compromise, so that Europe could move on from inwardlooking disputes to pressing issues such as climate change, energy supplies and globalisation.
"The European public now expects us to put the necessary reforms of the Union in hand," she wrote. "The time has now come to set out the roadmap for the impending reform of the treaties."
I think perhaps the laugh is on you, in that this “tactic” is the exact rational used to arbitrarily create a Polish state where there had been none for almost two centuries.
You notice that Germany and Russia never get any credit for all the good they did. If not for Germany and Russia, not only would there be 66 Million Poles (and numerous other Eastern Europeans) but they'd be living like Swedes or West Germans and generating megatons of CO2.
It´s alright. You´re answering to posts.
Anything showing Slovakian economy to be less free than German is worth s*it, no matter how respected institution made It.
Give Poland additional votes to make up for population loss through genocide. Take the votes from Germany.
Between 1.6 million and 1.25 million Poles (the lowest estimate) were deported to Siberia and Kazakhstan between 1939-1941 as a result of Soviet ethnic cleansing.==
Yep. And the war in Vietnam was worse than Stalin’s crimes...
Doesn’t Poland have the lowest birthrate in the EU? The leaders may be right but they also need to tell their folks the basics on increasing the population again. And here I thought the Germans might be best at avoiding the natural consequences of natural sex.
Well, Puttie Poot is not an option here, but there are other neighbors to have fun with - for instance Ukraine, Baltic states and Georgia. Potentially they could make up a strong alliance supported by the USA or even form their own Eastern European Union (EEU) within or outside the EU with uncertain results. The near future of Europe seems to be a damned interesting show!==
Seem for me it is very likely. Maybe Poland will unite GUAM countries?
Yep. And the war in Vietnam was worse than Stalins crimes...==
Stupid to lie even on the Stalin’ crimes. Stalin didn’t deported Poles to Sibiria ever. I was born in Siberia I didn’t here about no Poles there deported after the WW2.
Plz explain me on what base your country wants to be same influential in EU as Germany or France? Those 2 are the founders of EU after all. I think those country has the most economical and political weight too. Why they should share it with Poland?
Siberia is huge. If considered to be all of Asian Russia, it could still be larger than every other country on Earth. So arguing that since you were born in Siberia that you should have more insight on whether Poles were or weren’t deported there is a bit of a stretch.
Germany (both of them) certainly rearmed quicker than Japan did.
One reason Japan has not had the pressure put upon it by Western liberals that Germany has is that it is a "non-Western" culture and thus, according to multiculturalism, is beyond critique by "Western" standards. Notice that even though World War II was "the good war," our war against Japan is now considered "bad."
I have long maintained that the contemporary Left has much more in common with WWII-era Japan than with the USSR. I don't think the ideology of WWII-era Japan has been studied to the extent that European fascism has, and I believe it would pay us to learn more about it.
You’re trying to be funny ? So how the hell in the Asian part of the Soviet Union in 41/42 the whole army was created, which later went to Persia and fought in Italy in 44 ? And next one more army, which fought on the Soviet side ?
You better tell us why Russia is in G8...
One should remind the EU that the Neanderthals have no votes.