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We'd have more power in EU if Germans hadn't 'reduced our population' in WWII, says Polish PM
Evening Standard ^ | June 21, 2007

Posted on 06/21/2007 10:54:10 AM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Sonny M

You have no idea what´s the difference betweeen individual and collective guilt, have you? And even worse for your position: The war ended 62 years ago.


141 posted on 06/21/2007 11:34:31 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: curiosity; hunter112

Well, in the relation to Germany, Poland got a settlement: one third of Germany´s territory (of 1937). It´s not Germany´s fault that the Soviets took about the same size of Poland´s East. They should complain in Moscow, not Berlin.


142 posted on 06/21/2007 11:38:07 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Atlantic Bridge; Lukasz

It IS sad. In fact, I have underestimated the power of the twins to damage the German-Polish relationship. Here, the media is repeating all over again that the twins DO NOT represent a majority of the Polish people with regard to the relations with Germany. I hope the media is right.


143 posted on 06/21/2007 11:42:37 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Poland deserves representation proportional to its current population in the EU parliament.

And how big would the United States be if it won the War of 1812, took over all of Mexico after the Mexican-American War, and Cuba and the Philippines became states some time after the Spanish-American War? Even had Congress accepted that crazy American who temporarily took over Nicaragua and tried to offer it to the United States.

While on the topic of hypothetical populations.

144 posted on 06/22/2007 12:12:15 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: vox_PL
While you probably didn't intend for that comment to be racist, it was.

Many Americans who discover that they have a bit of African blood find that discovery difficult, when they shouldn't.

If you have German blood, so what? That doesn't make you less Polish.

145 posted on 06/22/2007 12:18:04 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Exactly. And by the way, it’s not many, it would most likely be a lot with ‘African’ blood in them, yet not knowing it.

When things such as these are taboo, it is pushed under the rug much too often, leading to false beliefs of genetic purity.


146 posted on 06/22/2007 12:36:26 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Michael81Dus
"The identical twins, whose father fought in the 1944 Warsaw uprising, have become infamous for their unrestrained comments and dislike of EU integration.

The twins are more motivated by their real life experiences under Communism.

They waited their entire lives to throw off the shackels of Socialism only to find themselves forced by neo-,third way EuroSocialists and the Clinton Socialists into the EU.

The twins have been absolute adorers of The Constitution of The United States of America and capitalist free enterprise under the rule of law. Oh, they like property rights, contracts, and guns, too.

yitbos

147 posted on 06/22/2007 12:37:36 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: skimbell

Off topic post about your comment: for the Americas, some estimates range from about 50% (one of the most common) to a whopping 95% of the Amerindian population dying as an effect of European contact. Much of this was due to diseases the Europeans unwittingly brought, but some was due to warfare and harsh slavery conditions at the hands of the Europeans.


148 posted on 06/22/2007 1:40:12 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why the Democrats?

By your logic, it should be the Nazis of Germany who should pay, not the entire German populations. But there are no (longer) Nazis (officially) in Germany.

So, using your Germany/Poland view and analogy, it should be the former segregationist states who should pay (and it wasn't only the Democrat-dominated South--miscegenation was illegal in California until relatively recently.

149 posted on 06/22/2007 1:44:01 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Sonny M
Germany also has a large population in part because of forced resettlement of ethnic Germans from other countries such as Poland after the war.
150 posted on 06/22/2007 1:45:56 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: SolidWood
The point of this is to give voting rights in the EU parliament. The parliament should reflect the current population of the EU member states, and current issues.

Germany acted very badly in World War 2, and Poland's population today might have been higher had the Nazis not killed many Poles. But they did, and today Poland is a medium sized country (population) and Germany is a large one. Germany should have more votes in the parliament to represent the Germans living in the EU today.

151 posted on 06/22/2007 1:52:42 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: wideawake
The EU parliament isn't all that analogous to the House of Representatives, and the EU Commission definitely isn't all that analogous to the Senate (in its present, directly voted form), because the EU is not yet a single country, and its member states still wield powers which American states do not.

The EU parliament has relatively little power, though the constitution--and potentially this new treaty--could change that. The EU Commission makes most of the EU's rules, and the Commissioners are selected by the member states' national governments.

152 posted on 06/22/2007 1:57:14 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: thackney

The Benelux countries and much of Germany should be light green, and more of North Africa should be colored. Also more of the Crimea.


153 posted on 06/22/2007 1:58:54 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: dfwgator
The Austrian death toll from World War 1 was also very.....impressive. Especially since many of those killed were child-bearing aged men (normally considered child-bearing age), and Austria lost the Hungary part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

So should tiny Austria be given many more votes, including all of Hungary's? (rhetorical).

154 posted on 06/22/2007 2:01:38 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Sonny M
You might not consider it to be so, but you are advocating reparations--just not one of the monetary sort.

You're arguing that Germans, many of whom were not involved in World War 2, should be proportionally less represented in the parliament, and Poland should be over-represented to compensate for those killed in World War 2.

So you're supporting taking from the descendants of the 'bad guys' and giving to the descendants of the 'good guys.'

155 posted on 06/22/2007 2:08:08 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: wolf78

Can you explain the German phrase? You’re translation was helpful, but it still (personally) doesn’t make much sense with the rest of your post.


156 posted on 06/22/2007 2:15:15 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: monday

You picked two of the few Western European countries which aren’t in the EU (Lichtenstein and Monaco). You could use Luxembourg and Ireland, though for two small countries with strong economies.


157 posted on 06/22/2007 2:18:37 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Japan basically went almost unpunished (culturally) after the war. Germany was definitely punished—to the point that many Germans today feel as though they are somehow responsible for what their ancestors did.


158 posted on 06/22/2007 2:24:20 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: tophat9000
Arkansan Arkansas (ARK-KAN-SAW). If you're an American, this wasn't to be facetious.

Considering most Americans would be able to spell Arkansas, guessing that you aren't American. Apologies if that isn't the case.

159 posted on 06/22/2007 2:29:23 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: All
Can one of you freepers, especially if you're an older one, answer whether it is rude to post a lot of comments (5/10+) in a row on a thread?

Seem to be almost the only freeper that posts so much in a row.

160 posted on 06/22/2007 2:38:57 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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