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Rumors Fly Over Possible Schwarzenegger Bid For VP
WCBSTV.COM ^ | 21 JUNE 2007 | WCBSTV.COM

Posted on 06/21/2007 3:56:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

(CBS) SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The make-believe presidential ticket of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is gaining some attention.

"There would be a fight to see who would be the presidential candidate and who would be the vice presidential candidate," Bloomberg quipped during a trip to California this week. "He would want to arm wrestle for the top spot; I would want to check the Constitution."

Most know the Constitution says a president must be a natural born citizen.

"It doesn't say anything about the vice president, but the 12th amendment to the constitution ratified in 1804 specifies that vice presidents have to meet the same constitutional requirements," said Jennifer Chacon, professor of constitutional law at UC Davis.

The Constitution states: "No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of president shall be eligible to that of vice president of the United States."

Chacon says the law is clear. But, it's not 100 percent clear that courts would challenge or enforce it rather that leave it to the political process. The only sure bet is a constitutional amendment.

Amendment or not, Sacramento based political consultant Gary Dietrich said he doesn't see a Vice President Schwarzenegger in our future.

"I almost think v.p. would be a step down for this guy. He's already said he's the governor of a nation state. He's been on trade missions to Canada. Why would he want to be v.p.?" said Dietrich.

He thinks a secretary of state appointment is more up Arnold's alley.

"I think we're talking an international role he's already carving out. He's talking with Tony Blair again and I think that's what we are talking about. I don't think he'll be sitting on the Hill waiting to see what happens in the Oval. That's not Arnold's cup of tea."

So bottom line -- no one has ever challenged the amendment. Governor Schwarzenegger said right now he is focused on his next three and a half years serving California. But he's not ruling anything out. He has always said he doesn't know what will happen next.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arnoldforpresident; bloomberg; foreignborn; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 06/21/2007 3:56:14 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
*Slaps forehead*

I need to find a new hobby, politics is killing me..

2 posted on 06/21/2007 3:57:04 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

In order to be eligible for VP, he has to be eligible for president. He’s not. He was not born in the US.


3 posted on 06/21/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

WTF? You can’t “challenge” a Constitutional amendment except with another amendment. The wording is clear and unambiguous.


4 posted on 06/21/2007 4:00:07 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“The Constitution states: “No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of president shall be eligible to that of vice president of the United States.”

Duh, Mikey, at this point at least, any 6th grader knows that!


5 posted on 06/21/2007 4:00:19 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The Governator is constitutionally ineligible to be president, so running for VP would be a total waste of time, and may not even be legal or constitutional...but if it were to come to pass, it would make the Speaker of the House effectively 2nd in line of succession - and that prospect is almost more frightening than President Hillary. Shudder....


6 posted on 06/21/2007 4:00:51 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tagline space for rent. Enquire within.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Chacon says the law is clear. But, it's not 100 percent clear that courts would challenge or enforce it rather that leave it to the political process

What kind of Orwellian doublespeak is this???

7 posted on 06/21/2007 4:01:05 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Bloomberg/Arnie. Now that’s what I call the “Super-RINO” ticket.

The question is, would they take away more votes from the Dems or the GOP? My guess would be the Dems.


8 posted on 06/21/2007 4:01:59 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Oh my. Can you see the effect of Arnold as SecState??? :D

“Disarm. Or I will remove them.”


9 posted on 06/21/2007 4:02:00 PM PDT by FRForever (http://www.constitutionparty.com - but I hope they endorse Fred.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"It doesn't say anything about the vice president, but the 12th amendment to the constitution ratified in 1804 specifies that vice presidents have to meet the same constitutional requirements," said Jennifer Chacon, professor of constitutional law at UC Davis.

The Constitution states: "No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of president shall be eligible to that of vice president of the United States."

Jeez, what a dingy bathead. I is unbelievable a university like UC Davis would hire this twit.

10 posted on 06/21/2007 4:02:18 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

RINO’s and Liberals, not a dimes worth of difference between them.


11 posted on 06/21/2007 4:02:19 PM PDT by stockpirate (Juan` McCain and Jorge` W Bush, two birds of a feather!)
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To: EveningStar
In order to be eligible for VP, he has to be eligible for president. He’s not. He was not born in the US.

This smacks of Bill Clinton when he wanted someone to challenge the two term limit.

12 posted on 06/21/2007 4:03:26 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: So Cal Rocket

The constitution is clear on the subject, so it should not be an issue at all. It’s hard to imagine how a court could reinterpret that plain language to say that Arnold is eligible to run for VP or Pres.


13 posted on 06/21/2007 4:03:52 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: So Cal Rocket
What kind of Orwellian doublespeak is this???

They don't enforce Article IV, Section 4 about "protecting the states from invasion", so I guess they figure that whole thing about "natural-born citizen" is irrelevant, too.

14 posted on 06/21/2007 4:03:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Good grief, that’s idiotic.


15 posted on 06/21/2007 4:04:13 PM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Let’s not have another amendment. We don’t yet know what the amendments we have already actually mean or do.


16 posted on 06/21/2007 4:05:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I can think of worse combos. BJ Clinton is also eligible for VP under current rules, no?


17 posted on 06/21/2007 4:06:33 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Henchster

HE just wanted to know if you knew ...


18 posted on 06/21/2007 4:06:49 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: cardinal4

You and me both.

People everywhere are going plumb crazy, and I think it’s contagious.


19 posted on 06/21/2007 4:07:15 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: denydenydeny

I’m sure some black-robed judge will find a loophole, just like they found that magical right to abortion.


20 posted on 06/21/2007 4:07:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: cardinal4

LOL! I feel the same way.


21 posted on 06/21/2007 4:08:56 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A big ox, a small ditch, a big load and a hot day--well, you can see the problem.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"He would want to arm wrestle for the top spot; I would want to check the Constitution."

You've never wanted to check it before, Mike.

Oh, okay, I'll help you. Start at the Second Amendment and read your way down. Slowly.

22 posted on 06/21/2007 4:09:23 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Henchster
Jeez, what a dingy bathead. I is unbelievable a university like UC Davis would hire this twit.

Affirmative Action is alive and well. She sounds like a two-fer (female minority).

23 posted on 06/21/2007 4:09:44 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Running for president is turning into some kind of game show. Are we going to choose the next prez via “American Idol”? Is every rich yo-yo with a pile of cash going to give it a try because their ego tells them to? What next, Bill Gates for prez?
24 posted on 06/21/2007 4:10:05 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: cardinal4

YES....politics is becoming idiotic....


25 posted on 06/21/2007 4:11:56 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Chacon says the law is clear. But, it's not 100 percent clear that courts would challenge or enforce it rather that leave it to the political process.

Typical modern Constitutional Law bubblehead. If the law is clear, then the courts have no choice but to enforce and uphold it. More proof of how stupid "intellectuals" really are.
26 posted on 06/21/2007 4:12:15 PM PDT by rottndog (This Tagline currently closed for maintenance and rehabilitation.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A VP has to be a born U.S citizen. Not naturalized.


27 posted on 06/21/2007 4:13:32 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Cool! Their slogan can be Dumb and Dumber!


28 posted on 06/21/2007 4:20:29 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Can’t happen.


29 posted on 06/21/2007 4:22:29 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I can think of worse combos. BJ Clinton is also eligible for VP under current rules, no?
I guess it would depend upon the interpretation of the Amendment..... Actual wording doesn't mention or specify anything about succession to the Presidency from the VP position.

Article. [XXII.]

[Proposed 1947; Ratified 1951]

Section. 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section. 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

30 posted on 06/21/2007 4:22:33 PM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Chacon says the law is clear. But, it's not 100 percent clear that courts would challenge or enforce it rather that leave it to the political process. The only sure bet is a constitutional amendment.

OhMyFreakin'GoodGrief ... how does this woman manage to get dressed in the morning? Wait, too difficult -- how does she manage to breathe??

THERE ALREADY IS AN AMENDMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THIS NONSENSE!

31 posted on 06/21/2007 4:23:01 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Oh, great. The "Hercules 'n New York" ticket.*

*(obscure film reference) /grin

32 posted on 06/21/2007 4:25:05 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Somebody post the NTSA graphic.

Arnold cannot be VP. End of story.


33 posted on 06/21/2007 4:28:32 PM PDT by gridlock (WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH)
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To: LurkedLongEnough
BJ Clinton is also eligible for VP under current rules, no?

He is Constitutionally ineligible to be elected president, therefore he is ineligible to serve as vice-president.

34 posted on 06/21/2007 4:30:53 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: cardinal4

“I need to find a new hobby, politics is killing me”.


Try reloading ammo, just in case we need more!


35 posted on 06/21/2007 4:33:57 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

36 posted on 06/21/2007 4:34:05 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: tarheelswamprat

I think the dumbocraps would be hurt the most. Both states are heavily dumbocrap, and these two would siphon off left wing voters. go for it.


37 posted on 06/21/2007 4:37:09 PM PDT by bfree (liberalism is the enemy of freedom!!!)
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To: Henchster

Jennifer Chacón was awarded her J.D. from Yale Law School. After graduation, she served as a law clerk to the Honorable Sidney R. Thomas, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. From 1999-2003, she was an attorney with Davis Polk & Wardwell in New York City. She teaches Criminal Law, Criminal Procedure and Immigration Law.

http://lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/2007symposium/bios/chacon.html

Grew up in the 9th Circus......that explains it


38 posted on 06/21/2007 4:39:05 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Not a good idea. He's too much in bed with the Dems (or, at least, a Dem). The Kennedys would think they were back in the White House again. < :(
39 posted on 06/21/2007 4:40:44 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never sleeps.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Please make this a joke. Argh.


40 posted on 06/21/2007 4:44:01 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Is he trying to find his way to the presidency through the back door as vp? If the pres dies, viola...foreign born president.


41 posted on 06/21/2007 4:48:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Not Constitutional, period.


42 posted on 06/21/2007 4:49:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: PhiKapMom

How about an amendment that prevents a presidents’ immediate family members from running for the office?

Fat chance, I know.

It sure would cure Bush/Clinton fatigue.


43 posted on 06/21/2007 4:49:59 PM PDT by del4hope
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Journalism majors... Always good for a laugh!


44 posted on 06/21/2007 4:51:37 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: MozarkDawg

When has the rule of law ever been in the way of what he and the Mrs. want?


45 posted on 06/21/2007 4:52:22 PM PDT by del4hope
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Excuse me, but the US constitution prohibits anyone who is not a natural born citizen from becoming President, and the qualifications to become Vice President are identical for becoming President. I seriously doubt many states would allow an independent presidential ticket with a constitutionally prohibited candidate to appear on their ballot.
Article 2.

Section 1

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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

.............


46 posted on 06/21/2007 4:53:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The easiest way to get this done is to annex Austria, perhaps as a county of California. Wouldn’t even need Congress. I suggest Arnold mobilize the Guard and get ‘er done.


47 posted on 06/21/2007 4:57:56 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: EveningStar; Extremely Extreme Extremist
In order to be eligible for VP, he has to be eligible for president. He’s not. He was not born in the US.

It's not necessary to be born in the US; it's necessary to be a "natural born citizen" or a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted. John McCain was born a US citizen, but he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and he's running for President in 2008. Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona, but Arizona was not a state in 1909. I can safely state that no one alive in 1787 is alive today, so there's no possibility short of a constitutional amendment for any naturalized citizen to be elected President.

48 posted on 06/21/2007 5:00:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Redmen4ever
The easiest way to get this done is to annex Austria, perhaps as a county of California. Wouldn’t even need Congress. I suggest Arnold mobilize the Guard and get ‘er done.

I don't like the precedent for that.

49 posted on 06/21/2007 5:02:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: cardinal4
Oh poop!!!!!!!!!

Get the kraut out of Kalifornia soon!

What an ignorant nincompoop!

50 posted on 06/21/2007 5:05:12 PM PDT by pointsal (q)
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