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In Case We Can't Give Up the Cars -- Try 16 Trillion Mirrors
Wall Street Journal ^ | June 22, 2007 | Robert Lee Hotz

Posted on 06/22/2007 6:53:41 AM PDT by i_dont_chat

In Case We Can't Give Up the Cars -- Try 16 Trillion Mirrors

What if we wait too long to act on global warming? What if nothing we do is enough? Already, scientists are working up plans of last resort: stratospheric sprays of sulfur, trillions of orbiting mirrors and thousands of huge off-shore saltwater fountains.

Each is designed to counteract global warming by deliberately deflecting sunlight, rather than by retooling the world's economy to eliminate carbon-rich oil, coal and natural gas.

More at link (a must read)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118246650280644111.html

Another related article from February 2007

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: chemtrails; climatechange; cuespookymusic; geoengineering; globalwarming; mirrors; sulfur
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If nothing else works to stop so-called global warming, scientists are working on (1) spraying sulfur in our stratosphere, (2) launching trillions of orbiting mirrors, and (3) spraying saltwater fountains into the clouds.

The geo-engineering of (3) spraying of barium into the clouds has already started. Do an Internet search on Chemtrails. You’ll get over one million hits. People are noticing. (I propose that now that the scientific information is coming out – the term “salt trails” would be more accurate and more palatable!)

Instead of arguing about it, simply look up and see for yourself. Those are not condensation trails you are see. Condensation trails evaporate after a time. This stuff is made of minute particles of barium and/or aluminum oxide. What goes up, must come down.

Aside from the health risks, anyone care to venture a guess of what spraying salt out of aircraft into the clouds is costing us? And where is the money coming from? And, by-the-way, the spraying in our atmosphere is occurring around the globe. This geo-engineering appears to be under the control of the United Nations, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control, and each country is conducting it’s own operations under secret by their military.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118246650280644111.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/6298507.stm

1 posted on 06/22/2007 6:53:44 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: i_dont_chat

They can welcome the next ice age with open arms. I’d rather move to Australia than be subject to sub-zero temperatures for years to come.


2 posted on 06/22/2007 6:55:28 AM PDT by wastedyears (Check my profile for links to anti-illegal immigration T-shirts.)
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To: i_dont_chat

Sheer insanity.

People with plans like these used to be institutionalized. Now they are lionized.


3 posted on 06/22/2007 6:57:32 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: i_dont_chat

The entire world has gone insane. I’m going back to my cave.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 6:58:02 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: John Valentine

I’d like to see them lionized, as in eaten by a lion.


5 posted on 06/22/2007 6:59:17 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: i_dont_chat
"sprays of sulfur"

Wouldn't that cause acid rain? Geez you can't make these people happy...

6 posted on 06/22/2007 7:00:45 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Petronski
Chemtrails!!!!
7 posted on 06/22/2007 7:01:54 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: Mr. K

When I started reading the article, I thought they were going to suggest putting mirrors on top of all automobiles, so as to reflect the sunlight right back into space.

All in all, I like that idea better than sulfurizing the stratosphere.


8 posted on 06/22/2007 7:03:49 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: i_dont_chat
About six weeks ago an article was posted in which one solution to global warming would be to launch 16 trillion reflective Frisbees into space, reflecting the sunlight back. Dr. Emmett Brown lives!


9 posted on 06/22/2007 7:03:54 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sings like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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To: John Valentine

People with plans like these used to be institutionalized. Now they are lionized.
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Yes, the Godless Dems have a new religion in the Global Warming “crisis”...sounds more like a cheap science fiction novel.


10 posted on 06/22/2007 7:04:35 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: i_dont_chat

I’m finding it VERY disturbing that the writers for the WSJ have so little common sense, or even economic sense.

The other day, they had a front page article on some Alaskan village that was being pinched by high gas prices.

The article stated that when snowmobiles got cheaper to operate than their snow dogs, they switched to the snowmobiles, and now that gas has gotten so expensive, just WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

Basic economics - an alternative will be purchased instead, duh, they’ll start using their dogsleds again. Geez. And you write for the Wall Street Journal?


11 posted on 06/22/2007 7:08:24 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: i_dont_chat
Already, scientists are working up plans of last resort: ... trillions of orbiting mirrors...

Already, fleets of trucks are lining up at John Edward's house to take delivery.
12 posted on 06/22/2007 7:09:00 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (..and the horse you rode in on!)
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To: i_dont_chat

If you like government controlled economies, just wait until governments around the world start trying to control the climate with these half-baked politically motivated technical interventions.

I think we really need a Constitutional amendment prohibiting Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of climate.

We should also make it the policy of the US that any attempt by any nation to change the climate shall be considered an act of war against the United States.


13 posted on 06/22/2007 7:12:21 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: i_dont_chat

“Oops, we were wrong. It’s getting a tad chilly down here. Can someone turn off those mirrors? What, they can’t be turned off? Okay, we need to set up a trillion missiles.......”


14 posted on 06/22/2007 7:12:27 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: The Pack Knight

Not Chemtrails. Salt Trails!!!!!!!

Yummy!


15 posted on 06/22/2007 7:15:53 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: MrB

IMO the WSJ has gone down hill markedly in the past few years. I will be canceling my online subscription upon its expiration.


16 posted on 06/22/2007 7:16:04 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Larry Lucido

“Oops, we were wrong. It’s getting a tad chilly down here. Can someone turn off those mirrors? What, they can’t be turned off? Okay, we need to set up a trillion missiles.......”

Followed by “How many years of Bad Luck?”


17 posted on 06/22/2007 7:17:41 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: reagan_fanatic

Our tax dollars at work imagining fantastic solutions for imaginary problems.


18 posted on 06/22/2007 7:18:05 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Obadiah

I don’t have an online sub, just doorstep delivery.

I mostly just read the condensed version of the news and the editorial page, which is still conservative.

The rest of the paper seems to have gone ignorant. Articles are written by those that don’t have an understanding of economics, and therefore, are liberal.


19 posted on 06/22/2007 7:18:11 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: The Pack Knight
Chemtrails!!!!

Precisely

20 posted on 06/22/2007 7:24:14 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Democrat Campaign Slogan - 2006: "Bring Out The Gimp!")
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To: MrB

That’s been the pattern in the WSJ for many years — conservative editorial page, but largely liberal balance of paper. The news articles are generally written by economic illiterates.


21 posted on 06/22/2007 7:29:56 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: i_dont_chat
Condensation trails evaporate after a time. This stuff is made of minute particles of barium and/or aluminum oxide.

You know, I live under an approach to a major airport, and I've been wondering where all that barium salt on my roof has been coming from. Haven't seen the sun in years, either.
22 posted on 06/22/2007 7:30:08 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: i_dont_chat

(1) spraying sulfur in our stratosphere

Why not just nuke 10 of the world`s most powerful volcanoes to try to get them to erupt? Be a lot cheaper. These guys are nuts. Just as nuts as the scientists who proposed covering the Arctic with soot to melt it during the global cooling scare.


23 posted on 06/22/2007 7:32:57 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: i_dont_chat

I wonder who will be making the mirrors and how much the politicians will earn from pushing this nonsense.


24 posted on 06/22/2007 7:33:50 AM PDT by seemoAR (Absolute power corrupts absolutely)
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To: i_dont_chat
Truly scary.

I think that we'll survive GW (assuming that there is such a thing...) if we don't try to fix the problem. So long as no one tries to do anything about it, we'll be fine.

Now, if people want to drive hybrids and switch their light bulbs....that's fine, as it makes them all feel good and amounts to a spit in the ocean. But these ideas could truly do lasting damage.

I can't wait until the Global Warming fad is over.

25 posted on 06/22/2007 7:33:59 AM PDT by wbill
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To be serious for a moment, I think all this is mostly a red herring to make the reactionary, anti-capitalist solutions they really want look more palatable. I doubt many scientists, or the writer himself, have any attention at actually seeing any of this done.

The "If we can't give up our cars" caveat in the headline should be a dead giveaway. Trillions of mirrors? Come on...
26 posted on 06/22/2007 7:41:40 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Friend of Fred.)
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To: i_dont_chat

According to the National Weather Service it is supposed to be 43 degrees here tonite - - about 75 miles northwest of New York City, one day after the longest day of the year.


27 posted on 06/22/2007 7:43:10 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: Mr. K
I forgot about sulfuric acid rain.

Perhaps it would be cheaper just to retart a known sulfuric volcanic area with a nuke, and let Mother Nature do the rest?

28 posted on 06/22/2007 7:43:46 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: The Pack Knight

With all the CFR/SPP/Tri-lateral Commission/Freemason/Illuminati/Builderberger conspiracy nuts around here lately, I forgot about Chemtrails.


29 posted on 06/22/2007 7:44:41 AM PDT by RockinRight (Our 44th President will be Fred Dalton Thompson!)
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To: i_dont_chat

Paint everything white...


30 posted on 06/22/2007 7:45:18 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: i_dont_chat

sulfur is out - acid rain.
mirrors are out - space junk. (look ma, no satellites)
barium - toxic.
aluminum - fearfully expensive
ships in the middle of the ocean spewing up ocean water sprays - probably only feasible measure.


31 posted on 06/22/2007 7:51:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: i_dont_chat
Wow! You're right, it's a world wide conspiracy. I know it's true because when I did search I got thousands of hits on the subject...Who can argue with that fact?

I'm like you. I believe everything I read on the internet...I'll bet you even get a lot of your facts from Wickpedia...now there's a reliable internet source. < /sarcasm >

32 posted on 06/22/2007 7:55:09 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: The Pack Knight
"...The "If we can't give up our cars" caveat in the headline should be a dead giveaway. Trillions of mirrors? Come on..."

Right you are; however, there was a "series" plan floated years ago to put a "hugh" mylar web circulating between Earth and the Sun to reduce solar emissions down here. At least that action could be removed when no longer needed.

33 posted on 06/22/2007 8:22:04 AM PDT by Does so
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To: i_dont_chat

One can only hope you are joking....


34 posted on 06/22/2007 8:48:20 AM PDT by chaos_5 (1-800-882-2005 Amnesty Hot-line!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Where’d you find your cave?....we’re looking for one.


35 posted on 06/22/2007 9:05:38 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: goodnesswins
Where’d you find your cave?....we’re looking for one.

Get your own - I'm not sharing.

36 posted on 06/22/2007 9:53:09 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: i_dont_chat
The little ice age was caused by volcanic activities, and this is for real, and not junk science.
Are there any plans prior to roasting under global warming to cause volcano eruptions to solve this pending global warming/frying dilemma?
37 posted on 06/22/2007 9:55:32 AM PDT by hermgem (The same)
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To: i_dont_chat
geoengineering

We've been doing geoengineering for thousands of years. For example we are no longer at the mercy of the rain gods because we developed the technology to build dams, aqueducts, and methods of flood control. Earth couldn't support 6 billion people without geoengineering. We build roads, bridges, tunnels, move mountains and forests. All this is geoengineering. Cloud control is just another technology we can use to make life better. I sure hope our military is researching cost effective weather management methods since most leaps in technology originate from the military developing new weapons. Most experiments will fail but we can't move forward without trying. Are you upset about this? If the military develops effective weather control the whole global warming scare is over. Developing new technology is not only cost effective, it is also the source of America's wealth.

38 posted on 06/22/2007 10:19:40 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: i_dont_chat

Chemtrails puts this otherwise series article into the kook department. Orbiting a trillion mirrors does also, as does spraying sulfur into the atmosphere. Doesn’t leave much, oh well. Just being WSJ doesn’t make it series.


39 posted on 06/22/2007 10:24:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: WashingtonSource
I’d like to see them lionized, as in eaten by a lion.

LOL!

"internalized" as it were

40 posted on 06/22/2007 10:28:43 AM PDT by Designer (When "taking a chance" on the outcome is not an option.)
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To: i_dont_chat

Currently reading “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton - great book.


41 posted on 06/22/2007 10:38:10 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: RightWhale
The offshore saltwater fountain idea seems promising. By spraying both salt and water into the air we can make our own clouds. With that we can both heat and cool the surface at will. The effects should be somewhat local. Countries can choose whatever climate they want without a global socialist dictatorship running everyone’s life.
42 posted on 06/22/2007 10:38:26 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses
geoengineering
We've been doing geoengineering for thousands of years. For example we are no longer at the mercy of the rain gods because we developed the technology to build dams, aqueducts, and methods of flood control. Earth couldn't support 6 billion people without geoengineering. We build roads, bridges, tunnels, move mountains and forests. All this is geoengineering. Cloud control is just another technology we can use to make life better. I sure hope our military is researching cost effective weather management methods since most leaps in technology originate from the military developing new weapons. Most experiments will fail but we can't move forward without trying. Are you upset about this? If the military develops effective weather control the whole global warming scare is over. Developing new technology is not only cost effective, it is also the source of America's wealth.


Thanks for the response.

No, I am not upset about geoengineering.

I am upset that our elected representatives are not allowed in the decision-making process. Also, I am upset there is no accounting of how the government spends our money on these geoengineering projects.

On point, should we citizens have a voice whether or not we development "cloud control technology?"

Evidently TPTB think our involvement would only complicate the progress and make it more expensive.
43 posted on 06/22/2007 10:42:10 AM PDT by i_dont_chat
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To: Reeses

That will just heat up the oceans. Besides that, what will power the pumps?


44 posted on 06/22/2007 10:42:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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If less sun reaches the ocean surface it will cool, not heat. Wave action is pretty powerful, and pretty useless for most things, except this.


45 posted on 06/22/2007 10:45:51 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: i_dont_chat

The trillions of orbiting mirrors is especially “brilliant.” What would they do with them once they cooled the Earth to the “correct” temps? Send up a giant vacumn cleaner to collect them all? I assume they would want them orbiting high enough to not interfere with the space program. They would continue to cool the Earth into a permanent ice age.


46 posted on 06/22/2007 11:06:10 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Izzy Dunne

BELIEVE me....we do NOT want to share.....just wondering if you know of any others somewhere....LOL.


47 posted on 06/22/2007 11:08:37 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: RightWhale
Besides that, what will power the pumps?

Good intentions.

48 posted on 06/22/2007 11:11:31 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: chessplayer

The mirrors won’t stay up long. Maybe a year, probably less.


49 posted on 06/22/2007 11:14:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: i_dont_chat

“The geo-engineering of (3) spraying of barium into the clouds has already started.”

For what purpose?

This sounds like tinfoil hat stuff.


50 posted on 06/22/2007 11:21:01 AM PDT by webstersII
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