Posted on 06/22/2007 8:38:45 AM PDT by Fennie
Iranian leader's aide says anti-Israel statements aimed at rallying Arab world around Islamic revolution's values. "All Muslims want to see Zionist regime change into a Palestinian regime," he says. "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't want the Jews to be annihilated but rather to change the regime in Israel," a senior aide to the Iranian president said Friday. On August 3, 2006 the Iranian president said that the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime." He also called Israel an "illegitimate regime" with "no legal basis for its existence." During the Iranian-organized conference questioning the Holocaust on December 12, 2006 Ahmadinejad said Israel would "soon be wiped out."
“We don’t want them annihilated. We just want them all to die.” - Mahmoud A.
Word fail me.
No legal basis for its existence? Hmmm, I see Israel mentioned in the Old Testament, but no Iran.....
No America either. I’ve looked...
We don’t want them all annihilated, let them move to America or someplace. We don’t care. We are.... how you say... humanists.
Of course not. What are they going to do for slaves if all the Jews are dead?
Ah... the old Jedi mind trick being attempted, I see.
He’d like to keep one around to do his taxes?
Ever ask a Nation of Islam member why, despite the fact that Arabia was the primary importer of african slaves, there is no "race problem" in modern Saudi Arabia?
They'll be stuck for an answer.
The reason?
møøslimbs prefered their slaves castrated.
So, what country does? Iran for example. Who put the present Admin in power? Ans.: they did it for themselves on their own authority. Israel at least has recognition by several countries even if Iran isn't among them. That's how it works.
Idiot...even though the U.N. has become a useless, feckless, anti-American organization over the years, United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 still has the force of law for all of the U.N. Convention's signatories, including Iran, which joined the U.N. on October 24, 1945.
Becoming a bit recalcitrant once the US surface fleet carriers move into your backyard, eh short-stuff?
LOL!
And I don’t want an ice cold beer.
He only wants to kill them a little.
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy - Benjamin Franklin
Sharia law is proof that allah hates us and wants us to be miserable.
He doesn’t WANT us annihilated... But if that’s the only way to get around that pesky Zionism, well, it will pain him to have to do so. I’m sure.
We want to change the regime in Iran
We say the Middle East would be better off “without the existence of the Islamic revolution’s values and we called Iran’s Islamic revolution “illegitimate” with “no legal basis for its existence.”
Iran is 'Persia' in the Bible.... changed to Iran sometime in the mid 1900's.
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(Recall that there was a window in time when Hitler would have been stopped by just a little show of resolute force and very little loss of life on either side. We may pay dearly for not recalling that lesson when dealing with Iran.)
Yup. When they allied with Hitler.
Iran is Farsi for Aryan...
How about if we move ALL the Israeli Jews to America, and deport ALL the Muslims that are already here? Seems like a fair trade to me!
You can read a free slimmed down version of this book here
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm
I ordered the book at a bookstore that is in the office bldg I work in. It’s a few years old and is probably not on the shelves of anywhere retail.
Joel Richardson, the author, is a psuedonyom. I do not know who wrote it, but I can tell you, from all my readings on Islam.. his writings about Islam are dead-on. And I can see nothing wrong with his Bible info either.
Iran is mentioned in the Old Testament:
Ezekiel 38
A Prophecy Against Gog
38:1 The word of the Lord came to me: 38:2 “Son of man, turn toward1 Gog,2 of the land of Magog,3 the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal.4 Prophesy against him 38:3 and say: ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: Look,5 I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 38:4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and bring you out with all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them fully armed, a great company with shields of different types,6 all of them armed with swords. 38:5 Persia,7 Ethiopia, and Put8 are with them, all of them with shields and helmets. 38:6 They are joined by9 Gomer with all its troops, and by Beth Togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops – many peoples are with you.10
38:7 “‘Be ready and stay ready, you and all your companies assembled around you, and be a guard for them.11 38:8 After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come to a land restored from the ravages of war,12 with many peoples gathered on the mountains of Israel that had long been in ruins. Its people13 were brought out from the peoples, and all of them will be living securely. 38:9 You will advance;14 you will come like a storm. You will be like a cloud covering the earth, you, all your troops, and the many other peoples with you.
38:10 “‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind,15 and you will devise an evil plan. 38:11 You will say, “I will invade16 a land of unwalled towns; I will advance against17 those living quietly in security – all of them living without walls and barred gates – 38:12 to loot and plunder, to attack18 the inhabited ruins and the people gathered from the nations, who are acquiring cattle and goods, who live at the center19 of the earth.” 38:13 Sheba and Dedan and the traders of Tarshish with all its young warriors20 will say to you, “Have you come to loot? Have you assembled your armies to plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to haul away a great amount of spoils?”’
38:14 “Therefore, prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog: ‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: On that day when my people Israel are living securely, you will take notice21 38:15 and come from your place, from the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great company and a vast army. 38:16 You will advance22 against my people Israel like a cloud covering the earth. In the latter days I will bring you against my land so that the nations may acknowledge me, when before their eyes I magnify myself23 through you, O Gog.
38:17 “‘This is what the sovereign Lord says: Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days by my servants24 the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days25 that I would bring you against them? 38:18 On that day, when Gog invades26 the land of Israel, declares the sovereign Lord, my rage will mount up in my anger. 38:19 In my zeal, in the fire of my fury,27 I declare that on that day there will be a great earthquake28 in the land of Israel. 38:20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, the wild beasts, all the things that creep on the ground, and all people who live on the face of the earth will shake29 at my presence. The mountains will topple, the cliffs30 will fall, and every wall will fall to the ground. 38:21 I will call for a sword to attack31 Gog32 on all my mountains, declares the sovereign Lord; every man’s sword will be against his brother. 38:22 I will judge him with plague and bloodshed. I will rain down on him, his troops and the many peoples who are with him a torrential downpour, hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 38:23 I will exalt and magnify myself; I will reveal myself before many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’
I like it.
Sadly, God has other plans.
Cyrus of the Prophet Daniel is also a Persian. And they are mentioned in the Book of Acts.
Not all Persians are bad folks of course. But alll Ahmadnutjob’s are certifiable.
Notice which little ball is already destroyed as Israel falls through.
And “Nut-Job” was quoted as replying, “Depends on what the word, “annihilated” means.” /sarc
The Gog prophecy is about an all-Islamic attack on Israel.
Magog is the land area near Armenia. Meshech and Tubal are towns in
Persia is Iran
Ethopia is horn of Africa (Somalia, Sudan)
Put is Lybia
Gomer is Turkey
Beth Togarmah is Turkey
It’s the Anti-Christ’s Empire (the revived Caliphate) attacking Israel.
There is a prevailing interpration based on nothing except Engish homophones that Gog/Magog means a Russian led invasion but I disagree with it.
From the book I mentioned which makes an outstanding case to me that the Beast empire is a revived Islamic Caliphate not a revived Roman Empire.
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch10_the_revived_islamic_empire.htm
Mark Hitchcock, a well-known Bible teacher accurately points out that Meschek and Tubal are mentioned in Ezekiel 27:13 as trading partners with ancient Tyre. Tyre was in what is today Lebanon. “It is highly doubtful” says Hitchcock, “that ancient Tyre was trading with people as far north as Moscow and Tobolsk.” In fact, it is questionable whether or not these areas were even very well populated in Ezekiel’s day. Hitchcock concludes that:
A closer study of these names reveals that Meschech and Tubal are the ancient Moschi/Mushki and Tubalu/Tibareni peoples who dwelled in the area around, primarily south of, the Black and Caspian Seas in Ezekiel’s day. These nations today are in the modern country of Turkey, possibly parts of southern Russia and northern Iran. 2
Meschek was located near what was known as Phrygia, in central and western Asia Minor, while Tubal was located in eastern Asia Minor. So with Meshek and Tubal, we are dealing with portions of modern Turkey. Today this region is predominantly Islamic. While modern Turkey has undergone a drastic secularization in the last century, within even just the past few years there have also been some quiet, though very strong trends toward a return to a stronger Islamic identification. 3
Many thanks for the book link and the info. Let’s keep in touch.
You’re welcome.
I’ve completely changed my Christian End-Times outlook over the past two years... I’ve been noticing more and more people also doing the same.
How Islam was overlooked is quite interesting, but it’s inclusion sure does clarify a lot of things in my mind.. in fact viewing End Time’s bible passages with Islam in mind makes them so obvious that you almost doubt it could be so clear
I ordered my copy from Amazon just a couple months ago - http://www.amazon.com/Antichrist-Awaited-Messiah-Joel-Richardson/dp/1414104405/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7702610-4713437?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182535047&sr=8-1. The author has a blog too - http://www.joelstrumpet.com/
I HIGHLY recommend his book.
I'm one of those "more and more people." The Islamic component has been a large aspect of it for me. Revived caliphate indeed. Here's another good, comprehensive article. The writing is a bit rough, but the overall message is very sound.
Yes, we spoke before. I ended up buying the book by Joel Richardson.
I just finished reading it a few weeks ago. Then I saw the news the other day about the video of the graduation of hundreds of suicide bombers in Afghanistan or Pakistan, and they were all sitting there with their little white flags and I immediately thought of the section of the book which talks about the Flags of Islam:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch04_the_mahdi.htm
The Army Of Black Flags
The Mahdi’s ascendancy to power is said to be preceded by an army from the east who will be carrying black flags or banners of war. Sheikh Kabbani states:
Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan will signify the appearance of the Mahdi is nigh. Khorasan is in todays Iran, and some scholars have said that this hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia, i.e. in the direction of Khorasan, then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent. 17
Another tradition states that:
The Messenger of Allah said: The black banners will come from the East and their hearts will be as firm as iron. Whoever hears of them should join them and give allegiance, even if it means crawling across snow. 18
In Islam there are two flags. One is white and one is black. Written across both flags in Arabic are the words, “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”. The white flag is called Al-Liwaa and serves as the sign for the leader of the Muslim army and is the flag of the Islamic State. The black flag is called Ar-Raya and is used by the Muslim army. It is also called the flag of jihad, and is carried into battle. One flag is governmental and the other is a military flag. 19 When Muhammad returned to his home city of Mecca after being exiled for eight years, he returned as a conqueror. With him were ten thousand Muslim soldiers. They carried with them black flags. On the flags was one word written in Arabic: punishment. 20
I was once talking to a group of young Muslim men and asking them some questions. I asked them if the obvious superior militaries of America and Israel compared to the militaries of any Islamic nations were a source of difficulty for many Muslims. One of these men then became very angry at my question and snapped out, “You Americans and Zionists better get ready, because the black flags are coming!” At the time, I had no idea what he was talking about. Later I learned the meaning.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's anti-Semitic and anti-Israel views place him and the Iranian regime among the foremost threats to Jews and the state of Israel.
Ahmadinejad repeatedly demonizes the state of Israel and openly calls for its destruction at every opportunity. Most notoriously, he described Israel as a "fake regime" that "must be wiped off the map."
He termed Zionists "the most detested people in all humanity" and called the extermination of six million Jews during World War II "a myth," claiming that Jews have played up Nazi atrocities during the Holocaust in a bid to extort sympathy for Israel from European governments.
Ahmadinejad's virulently anti-Israel and anti-Semitic rhetoric and Holocaust denial are often matched by other Iranian leaders, and the Iranian regime itself has continued to sponsor anti-Zionism conferences and pseudo-academic lectures and exhibits questioning the fact of the Holocaust.
The following is a selected compilation of Ahmadinejad's statements on Jews, the Holocaust and Israel in his own words:
June 3, 2007
"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."
(Speech, as quoted by the Fars News Agency)
March 21, 2007
"It is quite clear that a bunch of Zionist racists are the problem the modern world is facing today. They have access to global power and media centers and seek to use this access to keep the world in a state of hardship, poverty and grudge and strengthen their rule. The great nation of Iran is opposed to this inhuman trend. Of course, the Iranian nation will stick to its rightful stance. The Zionists and their supporters do not know that they are using failed approaches to take on human values, human civilization, nations and the great nation of Iran . Admitting the right of the dear Iranian nation and submitting to justice and the rule of law are the best way to salvation and the best way out of the deadlocks they have created for themselves."(from a recorded New Year's message aired on Iranian television)
February 28, 2007
"The Zionists are the true manifestation of Satan . . . Many Western governments that claim to be pioneers of democracy and standard bearers of human rights close their eyes over crimes committed by the Zionists and by remaining silent support the Zionists due to their hedonistic and materialistic tendencies."
(to a meeting of Sudanese Islamic scholars in Khartoum )
December 12, 2006"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want…Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out"
(Comments to Iran's Holocaust Conference)
November 29, 2006
"What have the Zionists done for the American people that the US administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous aggressors? Is it not because they have imposed themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and media sectors?"
(Letter from Ahmadinejad "to the American people")
November 13, 2006
"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."
October 19, 2006
"The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive"
(as quoted by Iranian state television)
August 6, 2006
"They ( Israel ) kill women and children, young and old. And, behind closed doors, they make plans for the advancement of their evil goals."
(as quoted by Khorasan Provincial TV)
August 4, 2006
"A new Middle East will prevail without the existence of Israel ."
(as quoted by Malaysian news agency Bernama website)
August 2, 2006
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented."
(as quoted by Iranian TV)
"Are they human beings?... They (Zionists) are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame."
(as quoted by Iranian TV)
July 27, 2006
"The occupying regime of Palestine has actually pushed the button of its own destruction by launching a new round of invasion and barbaric onslaught on Lebanon "
(as quoted by Islamic Republic News Agency via the Associated Press)
July 16, 2006
"The Zionists think that they are victims of Hitler, but they act like Hitler and behave worse than Genghis Khan."
(as quoted by the Iranian News Agency)July 13, 2006
"The Zionists and their protectors are the most detested people in all of humanity, and the hatred is increasing every day.""The worse their crimes, the quicker they will fall."
"[Israel] has blackened the pages of history".
(as quoted by Iranian state television)June 16, 2006
Palestine . If it did not happen, then the Jews must return to where they came from."
"I think we have sufficiently talked about this matter and these Holocaust events need to be further investigated by independent and impartial parties."
"An event that has influenced so many diplomatic and political equations of the world needs to investigated and researched by impartial and independent groups."
"If it is true, then the response to this question should not be solved in Palestine. The Palestinian question should be settled as soon as possible. If it is false, why should such measures be taken against the people of Palestine ?"
(a news conference following a meeting with China 's president)May 28, 2006
"I believe the German people are prisoners of the Holocaust. More than 60 million were killed in World War II . . . The question is: Why is it that only the Jews are at the center of attention?"
"We say that if the Holocaust happened, then the Europeans must accept the consequences and the price should not be paid by
(in an interview with Germany 's Der Spiegel magazine)May 11, 2006
Israel is "a regime based on evil that cannot continue and one day will vanish."
(to a student rally in Jakarta, Indonesia)
April 24, 2006
''We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors (of Europe) and let the Jews go back to their own countries."
(In a news conference held on April 24, 2006)
April 14, 2006
"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
"If there is serious doubt over the Holocaust, there is no doubt over the catastrophe and holocaust being faced by the Palestinians. Holocaust has been continuing in Palestine over the past 60 years."
(In a speech at the opening of the "Support for the Palestinian Intifada" conference on April 14-16 hosted in Tehran )
February 23, 2006"These heinous acts are committed by a group of Zionists and occupiers that have failed. They have failed in the face of Islam's logic and justice . . . They invade the shrine and bomb there because they oppose God and justice . . . But be sure, you will not be saved from the wrath and power of the justice-seeking nations by resorting to such acts."
(In a speech broadcast on state television, where Ahmadinejad suggested that the bombing of a major Shiite shrine in Iraq by Sunni insurgents was plotted by Israel and the U.S. to divide Muslims.)
January 5, 2006
"Hopefully, the news that the criminal of Sabra and Chatilla has joined his ancestors is final."
(To a group of Muslim clerics in the Iranian city of Qom , as quoted in the semi-official student news agency ISNA, in a reference to the illness of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon).
"[N]o Muslim nation would put up with this entity [i.e. Israel] in Islamic lands, not for one moment … If it's true that the [Europeans] committed a big crime in World War II, then they must take responsibility for it themselves, and not ask the Palestinian people to pay the price … Those countries that support this regime [Israel] were terrified at the suggestion that [Israel] should be relocated to their neighborhood. So why should the Palestinians and the countries in our region accept this entity?"
(In a speech before an audience in the Iranian city of Qom , aired on television)
January 2, 2006
"[The creation of Israel after World War II] killed two birds with one stone [for Europe] … [The objectives achieved by Europe were] [s]weeping the Jews out of Europe and at the same time creating a European appendix with a Zionist and anti-Islamic nature in the heart of the Islamic world …Zionism is a Western ideology and a colonialist idea ... and right now it massacres Muslims with direct guidance and help from the United States and a part of Europe ... Zionism is basically a new [form of] fascism."
(In written answers to questions from the public reproduced in several Iranian newspapers)
December 14, 2005
"Today, they [Europeans] have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets … This is our proposal: give a part of your own land in Europe , the United States , Canada or Alaska to them [Jews] so that the Jews can establish their country."
(Speaking to thousands of people in the Iranian city of Zahedan )
December 13, 2005
"If the killing of Jews in Europe is true and the Zionists are being supported because of this excuse, why should the Palestinian nation pay the price?"
(Comments published on Iranian state television's Web site)
December 8, 2005
"Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem ? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe."
(While speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca )
November 27, 2005
"You [the United States ], who have used nuclear weapons against innocent people, who have used uranium ordnance in Iraq , should be tried as war criminals in courts."
(During a nationally televised ceremony of the establishment of Iran's volunteer Basij paramilitary)
October 29, 2005
"They [the United States ] think they are the absolute rulers of the world."
(Marching in a demonstration alongside a crowd of students in Tehran )
October 28, 2005
"They [International Zionist and Expansionist Policies of the World Arrogance, i.e. United States and Israel ] are cheeky humans, and they think that the entire world should obey them. They destroy Palestinian families and expect nobody to object to them."
(Defending his earlier comments)
October 26, 2005
" Israel must be wiped off the map … The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."
(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')
June 19, 2005
"It is not just for a few states to sit and veto global approvals. Should such a privilege continue to exist, the Muslim world with a population of nearly 1.5 billion should be extended the same privilege."
(In an interview with state television shortly before his election)
June 8, 2005
The UN structure is one-sided, stacked against the world of Islam.
(In an interview on state television)
If you want to know about the roots of Ahmadinejad’s Anti-Semitism, check out this excellent piece. It goes straight to his roots which are based on Nazi-beliefs:
http://iranianamericanjews.blogspot.com/2007/03/experts-on-iran-explore-effects-of.html
Regarding the Islmo-NAZI connection check out Islamic Mein Kampf:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/
You’re speaking words that have come right out of my mouth. I agree wholeheartedly. I think things are alot further down the road to end time prophecy fullfillment than most Christians have been taught to look for. I think we were taught to look for one thing (EU) and it’s fast coming upon us from another direction (Islam). It all fits. I hope you will give the link I sent you a look see. I know the author personally and he’s studied this matter biblically, scientifically, and synoptically every which way for the last 35 years. I’ve got a feeling that alot of what the book says when I read it is going to be in agreement with alot of his conclusions. Blessings. - OB1
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Thanks... it looks like his books are for purchase. Is there anything online to read?
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