Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Latest Bush Iraq plan will fail (A LEFTY'S PRAYER)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 22, 2007 | ANDREW GREELEY agreel@aol.com

Posted on 06/22/2007 10:15:52 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-31 next last
This snot-nosed phony priest still has faith in the congressional rats.
1 posted on 06/22/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief

Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Mayor Michael Bloomberg are both liberal Democrats who masqueraded as Republicans

Bush has made such a mess

(snot-nosed phony priest still)


2 posted on 06/22/2007 10:25:05 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
Sen. Hillary Clinton is a real Democrat

I stopped reading here..

3 posted on 06/22/2007 10:25:16 AM PDT by cardinal4
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief

When Bush announced the war on terror he did say it would last 10 years or more. At which time I realized was longer than his remaining term and that therefore victory was at risk in case a Democrat was elected.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
There is also a moral issue.

That's a laugh line when it comes from a liberal.

5 posted on 06/22/2007 10:27:19 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief

It will fail, but not for the reasons this jerk hopes it will.

The truth is that the only way any ‘nation’ in the Middle East will ever find it’s way to democracy and decency is when someone who’s determined to do it wipes the desert floor with them and reduces them to despicable wretches subsisting on grubs, insects and puddle water, and makes a practical demonstration that their current culture, religious belief, political and economic system, etc, is INHERENTLY BANKRUPT AND INCAPABLE OF SUCCESS.

The ONLY way to do that is to wage a campaign of toal war, complete annhiliation, from the first day that hostilities are commenced. The enemy must lose all hope in anything that he is familiar with and made desperate enough to eagerly, and willingly, accept any alternative offered to him.

This administration did not do so, and therefore, anything it does afterwards will fail (if only because a return to ture war now will only serve to constitute a public-realtions disaster for this administration, and will be a tacit admission of failure). The need to be seen as the guy in the white hat in this “war” has handcuffed us from day one.

If you wish to fight a “war” on anything, then it behooves you to remember what war truly is, and what it entails.


6 posted on 06/22/2007 10:29:56 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief

Andrew Greeley: Smug ignorance admiring itself in the mirror.


7 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:49 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
Plan B will involve "a draw-down" of troops before next year's elections, the concentration of American forces in "forts" (a string of Fort Apaches?), and preparations for a "long war" like the one in Korea. Americans would no longer attempt to police Baghdad, and there would be fewer casualties. If Plan B is a "success," Bush can stumble out of office in a year and a half with another "mission accomplished" and the claim that he had won a victory in the "war on terror."

Why go to Plan B when the surge is working perfectly...violence in Al Anbar has quelled to a slow drip and Bahgdad is around 65 percent free of terror. The problem is that (thanks to the incompetence of Don Rumsfeld) the surge wasn't enacted soon enough and requires time (i.e no one should expect a kettle of cold water to immediately boil). The sad fact is that Bush (again thanks to Dumbsfeld who, IMO, ought to be imprisoned in Gitmo for his mismanagement of the war) is now being tarred with the former plan rather than the newer one.

8 posted on 06/22/2007 10:30:54 AM PDT by meandog (Bush--proving himself again and again to be the best friend the Dems have EVER had!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
Of course it will "fail". The real problem at root here is that success/victory in warfare has been re-defined by the Western intelligentsia sometime in the past 30-40 years. Under the new definition, it is impossible for a Western country - especially the United States - ever to win/succeed in a war.

This whole article exists because Greeley has heard tell of a planned change which, he fears, Bush or the "Neocons" or someone might be able to paint as success/victory. He therefore wrote this article to help shore up the new (impossible) definition of success/victory in warfare to make sure that the United States still can't do it. He also wants to remind Democrats in Congress to do their part ("Democrats in Congress will tear it to shreds") and continue to stick to the definition of success/victory according to which the United States can't possibly do it. (Shoring up this definition requires constant effort and maintenance)

This is all a rhetorical battle at this point. In reality, the United States actually won "The Iraq War" (tm/2003) in 2003. What's going on now is merely a battle over the verbal definition of winning/success. And the lefty intelligentsia has basically won that battle because even most conservatives don't realize we won "The Iraq War".

So, like I said, Greeley is right.

9 posted on 06/22/2007 10:36:31 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Frank fan

The idea is to try to avoid the WWII aftermath when we won the war but lost the peace.


10 posted on 06/22/2007 10:39:15 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Cicero

Hey Greeley, go to hell.


11 posted on 06/22/2007 10:44:37 AM PDT by mimaw
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
The idea is to try to avoid the WWII aftermath when we won the war but lost the peace.

I don't follow. Whose idea is this? And I've never really cottoned to the phrase "losing the peace". What does it mean, exactly? IMHO this notion of "losing the peace" is part and parcel of the recent ongoing effort to re-define victory/success so that it's impossible for the U.S. to achieve it.

12 posted on 06/22/2007 10:51:24 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: mimaw

“The idea is to try to avoid the WWII aftermath when we won the war but lost the peace.”

Huh?

Exactly how did we “lose the peace”? Nazisim, Fascism, and Japanese militarism were soundly defeated. The systems which they built were completely discredited. The “war aims” of this country in the Second World War were the elimination of Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini and the systems which allowed their rise, in which we were ultimately successful. Democracy was restored in Gemany, Italy and Japan in the aftermath of that war.

What “peace” was lost?


13 posted on 06/22/2007 10:53:29 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: mimaw

Excuse me, that was supposed to be directed to Chi-town. My apologies, mimaw.

Care to answer Chi-town?


14 posted on 06/22/2007 10:54:19 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Wombat101
The ONLY way to do that is to wage a campaign of toal war, complete annhiliation, from the first day that hostilities are commenced. The enemy must lose all hope in anything that he is familiar with and made desperate enough to eagerly, and willingly, accept any alternative offered to him.

Sadly, it will take the loss of an entire major US city before that happens.

15 posted on 06/22/2007 10:54:52 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Wombat101
Nazisim, Fascism, and Japanese militarism were soundly defeated ... Democracy was restored in Gemany, Italy and Japan in the aftermath of that war. What “peace” was lost?

I think your answer is in your own statement there - and you missed an "ism", didn't you?
16 posted on 06/22/2007 11:23:43 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Frank fan

No, we won the war in Iraq. The idea now is to win the peace, i.e. do not allow dictatorships enslaving and killing millions of people to re-emerge like we did after WWII.


17 posted on 06/22/2007 11:25:40 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief
"blah..blah..blah...neocon...blah...blah...neocons...."

Pile this stack of fertilizer next to that pile of mulch.

18 posted on 06/22/2007 11:36:36 AM PDT by windsorknot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chi-townChief

“Bush’s” plan on Iraq has all ready mostly succeeded. Gone about as well as anything ever does in war.

It just the liars in the “News” media will never ever admit they have been wrong about Iraq from the start. No matter what happens, they will keep practising the “Big Lie” propaganda tactics until they can claim “they were right about Iraq”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iraq


19 posted on 06/22/2007 11:41:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: meandog
No Just rabid Dinocons, who worked tirelessly to elect Sen James Webb D VA last year, would rather do anything but admit they have been wrong about Iraq from the start

Try actually finally learning something about Iraq instead of clinging to your emotion based hysteria about Rumsfeild.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iraq

20 posted on 06/22/2007 11:44:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-31 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson