Posted on 06/22/2007 10:15:52 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Mayor Michael Bloomberg are both liberal Democrats who masqueraded as Republicans
Bush has made such a mess
(snot-nosed phony priest still)
I stopped reading here..
When Bush announced the war on terror he did say it would last 10 years or more. At which time I realized was longer than his remaining term and that therefore victory was at risk in case a Democrat was elected.
That's a laugh line when it comes from a liberal.
It will fail, but not for the reasons this jerk hopes it will.
The truth is that the only way any ‘nation’ in the Middle East will ever find it’s way to democracy and decency is when someone who’s determined to do it wipes the desert floor with them and reduces them to despicable wretches subsisting on grubs, insects and puddle water, and makes a practical demonstration that their current culture, religious belief, political and economic system, etc, is INHERENTLY BANKRUPT AND INCAPABLE OF SUCCESS.
The ONLY way to do that is to wage a campaign of toal war, complete annhiliation, from the first day that hostilities are commenced. The enemy must lose all hope in anything that he is familiar with and made desperate enough to eagerly, and willingly, accept any alternative offered to him.
This administration did not do so, and therefore, anything it does afterwards will fail (if only because a return to ture war now will only serve to constitute a public-realtions disaster for this administration, and will be a tacit admission of failure). The need to be seen as the guy in the white hat in this “war” has handcuffed us from day one.
If you wish to fight a “war” on anything, then it behooves you to remember what war truly is, and what it entails.
Andrew Greeley: Smug ignorance admiring itself in the mirror.
Why go to Plan B when the surge is working perfectly...violence in Al Anbar has quelled to a slow drip and Bahgdad is around 65 percent free of terror. The problem is that (thanks to the incompetence of Don Rumsfeld) the surge wasn't enacted soon enough and requires time (i.e no one should expect a kettle of cold water to immediately boil). The sad fact is that Bush (again thanks to Dumbsfeld who, IMO, ought to be imprisoned in Gitmo for his mismanagement of the war) is now being tarred with the former plan rather than the newer one.
This whole article exists because Greeley has heard tell of a planned change which, he fears, Bush or the "Neocons" or someone might be able to paint as success/victory. He therefore wrote this article to help shore up the new (impossible) definition of success/victory in warfare to make sure that the United States still can't do it. He also wants to remind Democrats in Congress to do their part ("Democrats in Congress will tear it to shreds") and continue to stick to the definition of success/victory according to which the United States can't possibly do it. (Shoring up this definition requires constant effort and maintenance)
This is all a rhetorical battle at this point. In reality, the United States actually won "The Iraq War" (tm/2003) in 2003. What's going on now is merely a battle over the verbal definition of winning/success. And the lefty intelligentsia has basically won that battle because even most conservatives don't realize we won "The Iraq War".
So, like I said, Greeley is right.
The idea is to try to avoid the WWII aftermath when we won the war but lost the peace.
Hey Greeley, go to hell.
I don't follow. Whose idea is this? And I've never really cottoned to the phrase "losing the peace". What does it mean, exactly? IMHO this notion of "losing the peace" is part and parcel of the recent ongoing effort to re-define victory/success so that it's impossible for the U.S. to achieve it.
“The idea is to try to avoid the WWII aftermath when we won the war but lost the peace.”
Huh?
Exactly how did we “lose the peace”? Nazisim, Fascism, and Japanese militarism were soundly defeated. The systems which they built were completely discredited. The “war aims” of this country in the Second World War were the elimination of Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini and the systems which allowed their rise, in which we were ultimately successful. Democracy was restored in Gemany, Italy and Japan in the aftermath of that war.
What “peace” was lost?
Excuse me, that was supposed to be directed to Chi-town. My apologies, mimaw.
Care to answer Chi-town?
Sadly, it will take the loss of an entire major US city before that happens.
No, we won the war in Iraq. The idea now is to win the peace, i.e. do not allow dictatorships enslaving and killing millions of people to re-emerge like we did after WWII.
Pile this stack of fertilizer next to that pile of mulch.
“Bush’s” plan on Iraq has all ready mostly succeeded. Gone about as well as anything ever does in war.
It just the liars in the “News” media will never ever admit they have been wrong about Iraq from the start. No matter what happens, they will keep practising the “Big Lie” propaganda tactics until they can claim “they were right about Iraq”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iraq
Try actually finally learning something about Iraq instead of clinging to your emotion based hysteria about Rumsfeild.
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