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Your doctor could put you on no-gun list
World Net Daily ^ | 21 June 2007 | Naomi Laine

Posted on 06/22/2007 11:04:47 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20

The House of Representatives has fast-tracked new legislation to "improve" the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by allowing doctors to now decide who can own firearms.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; backgroundcheck; baglist; banglist; brandedbythestate; criminallyinsane; guncontrol; gungrabbers; scarletletter; worldnutdaily
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That's the way to do it. Go to the experts.

The gun control idiots will try anything to deny people of their constitutional rights, won't they.

1 posted on 06/22/2007 11:04:49 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Turret Gunner A20
This is stupid on SO MANY levels, not the least of which is this will open doctors to yet another form of lawsuit.
2 posted on 06/22/2007 11:09:32 AM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

This is why when your doctor hands you that stupid government mandated survey that asks if you have guns in the house, you always answer, “NO!”


3 posted on 06/22/2007 11:11:02 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Conservatives are educated. Liberals are indoctrinated.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I thought the wording had to do with court-decided mental illness, not just the testimony of a doctor...although I will admit there is a fine line that must be watched.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 11:11:06 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


5 posted on 06/22/2007 11:12:07 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Remember, if the Dims have their way, all of the doctors will soon work for the government.


6 posted on 06/22/2007 11:12:54 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

All part of the new socialist order the dimbulbs want to establish. Doctors should ask their patients about their political affiliation and if they say demonrat, that should be grounds for a no vote of confidence letter.


7 posted on 06/22/2007 11:14:29 AM PDT by stm
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I do not think people that are mentally ill should have guns, for example people that suffer with manic depression but this could open up a huge can of worms.

What about the guy that went through a depression problem back in 1982 because of job loss, should he be banned from owning a gun?

What about the many liberal physicians, are they going to say that none of their patients can have a gun?

8 posted on 06/22/2007 11:16:48 AM PDT by Kimmers (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: sageb1

You are correct. Nothing in the text says a doctor can “put you on the list”. This was already debunked in an earlier thread. Most people wont read the text and believe whatever WND says(which is usually suspect as a rule).


9 posted on 06/22/2007 11:16:59 AM PDT by NorthFlaRebel
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To: Turret Gunner A20

My doctor knows better.


10 posted on 06/22/2007 11:17:18 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I thought about this many years ago, that this would be a way the gun-grabbers could disarm the people.

Make it a "health" issue and your medical insurance would deny you and your family coverage if there were guns in the home.

What choice would you make if faced with this decision? Guns or medical insurance for your spouse and kids.

This is a scary deal.

11 posted on 06/22/2007 11:18:24 AM PDT by FReepaholic (If Cho had a nuclear weapon instead of guns, would he have used it?)
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To: neodad
Remember, if the Dims have their way, all of the doctors will soon work for the government.

After the Virginia Tech shootings, many FReepers were asking why the shooters mental issues didn't come up on the background check.

12 posted on 06/22/2007 11:18:33 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: VeniVidiVici
This is why when your doctor hands you that stupid government mandated survey that asks if you have guns in the house, you always answer, “NO!”

It'll probably be a disqualifying crime to lie on a doctor's questionairre - so just leave it blank. If the doc brings up the question, just ask if he's familiar with the concept of a "boundary violation." Simultaneously asking for the name of his malpractice insurance company would help.

Alternatively, respond by asking the doc how much he/she makes, and what his/her net worth is. When you get the "That's none of your business!" answer, just smile.

13 posted on 06/22/2007 11:19:39 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Turret Gunner A20
I don't have to worry about this because I don't have any guns. No Glocks, or AR-15's or Baretta's or various shotguns or rifles like Russian made AK-47's or any of that type of stuff. Nope! Not me!

That's my answer if anyone asks:)

14 posted on 06/22/2007 11:19:47 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (I believe that's my stapler....)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Catch 22... If you lie and they find out, the doctor will declare you paranoid and therefore unfit to own a gun. OTOH, if you don’t lie , they’ll ask you a series of loaded questions that necessarily results in a similar diagnosis of paranoia: Aha, so you’re afraid somebody might break into your house and rob you? You’re paranoid!


15 posted on 06/22/2007 11:20:30 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Turret Gunner A20

What the devil do doctors have to do with what you have in your home?


16 posted on 06/22/2007 11:26:19 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: isthisnickcool
Take two guns and call me in the morning.


17 posted on 06/22/2007 11:26:32 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Turret Gunner A20

A doctor taking such an action in the absense of hard data can expect to be sued out of business. Trial lawyers are standing-by...


18 posted on 06/22/2007 11:26:35 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: VeniVidiVici
This is why when your doctor hands you that stupid government mandated survey that asks if you have guns in the house, you always answer

My answer when my doctor tried that, was to tell him, "Doc, that is neither your business nor that of the Government. If you speak of it further you're fired."

Always keep the form, destroy it yourself.

19 posted on 06/22/2007 11:26:53 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Turret Gunner A20

We’re lucky. Our doctor is an award winning target shooter. He has his plaques displayed in his office. He’s also a libertarian. He HATES nanny-staters!


20 posted on 06/22/2007 11:28:04 AM PDT by mouse_35
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Ok, on the one hand this is a bunch of B.S., but on the other we just had my MIL deemed mentally unfit and had her committed. She didn't own a gun, but if she did we would have used this in a heartbeat to take it away from her, she was that unstable. My BIL went as far as to disable her car so she couldn't drive until we could finally get her the help she needed.

This is a terribly slippery slope, but I believe there are certainly cases where it would do a heck of a lot of good, then again I can see it being abused far too often by activist Dr's too. Maybe if they had to have a consensus of close family members also to be able to do it, that would certainly alleviate a few fears I think.

21 posted on 06/22/2007 11:29:45 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
..."Each year, tens of thousands of barred individuals slip through the cracks of the system and gain access to firearms...

Citation please Naomi.

..."Under this bill, based solely on a diagnosis of a psychiatrist,...

Who is most capable of diagnosing mental health issues, your hairdresser?

Way too much wrong with this piece.

22 posted on 06/22/2007 11:30:37 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I miss Doc Holliday.


23 posted on 06/22/2007 11:31:33 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Kimmers

Should they also be denied free speech,freedom of religion,right to petition for redress ,right to counsel.Where does the creeping destruction of rights end?Quartering soldiers in times of peace?


24 posted on 06/22/2007 11:31:48 AM PDT by borntoraisehogs (If we build it,they won't come)
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To: sageb1
I thought the wording had to do with court-decided mental illness, not just the testimony of a doctor...

You have to be adjudicated by a court.

25 posted on 06/22/2007 11:33:18 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: NorthFlaRebel
Most people wont read the text and believe whatever WND says(which is usually suspect as a rule).

Sheesh! Next, you'll be saying DEBKA File is a usually unreliable source!

I suppose you wouldn't beleive an email from my wife's cousin's hairdresser's sister's neighbor's uncle about the flying white whale that his friend's barber saw, either!

26 posted on 06/22/2007 11:34:06 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
You miss a 19th century dentist with consumption, and a bad temper?
27 posted on 06/22/2007 11:35:17 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: NorthFlaRebel

But can states decide to “put people on the list”, without individual due process in a court, based on state law criteria which could include just a doctor’s recommendation that someone be put on the list?


28 posted on 06/22/2007 11:35:44 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Abathar

I think the key is to know your GP doctor. If your doctor is affiliated with one of these liberal groups that thinks they can limit your rights, then it is time to get a new doctor. Let the looney left be his patients, not you.


29 posted on 06/22/2007 11:36:19 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Yet another reason never to go to the doctor.


30 posted on 06/22/2007 11:36:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: VeniVidiVici
This is why when your doctor hands you that stupid government mandated survey that asks if you have guns in the house, you always answer, “NO!”

I simply never gave it back. Intact.

31 posted on 06/22/2007 11:36:45 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I have no doctor and I like it that way just fine.


32 posted on 06/22/2007 11:37:52 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred run! I will send my donation as soon as you announce.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

The government is becoming afraid.


33 posted on 06/22/2007 11:38:41 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: ASA Vet

You sir, are an ANTI-DENTITE!!


34 posted on 06/22/2007 11:40:02 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: FReepaholic

Made that choice long ago.

We have guns; we don’t have medical insurance.

$5,000+/year buys a lot of high quality worked steel; lead, and brass.

Good investment, and its an incentive not to get sick or careless.


35 posted on 06/22/2007 11:40:02 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

This is why when your doctor hands you that stupid government mandated survey that asks if you have guns in the house, you always answer, “NO!””

Worse:
A good reason NOT to go to the doctor in the first place.

Boy, this crap gets more like Nazi Germany every day.


36 posted on 06/22/2007 11:40:20 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ASA Vet

Noted.


37 posted on 06/22/2007 11:40:29 AM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) 9/11: Many of us REFUSE to Forget!!)
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To: Abathar

Our ancestors had lockable attic rooms for a reason. ;)


38 posted on 06/22/2007 11:43:01 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ASA Vet
"You miss a 19th century dentist with consumption, and a bad temper?"

Yep. But his aim is improving fast...
39 posted on 06/22/2007 11:43:33 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Don't mistake timid driving for defensive driving.)
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To: Kirkwood

Exactly, my doctor is actually an internist, he is young with 4 young boys and his father is a builder who lives and grew up in our area. He is really great, and a very strong conservative Republican.


40 posted on 06/22/2007 11:43:40 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Hehehe, She would have gnawed her way out by now...
41 posted on 06/22/2007 11:46:15 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
You picked one out of four qualifiers to assume I was an anti of?

Did you consider that I may instead be
1. anti-nineteenth century
2. anti-TB
3. anti-bad tempers

or a combination of any of the four?

42 posted on 06/22/2007 11:46:16 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I would reply to that as I do the question if we wear seat belts - it has nothigng to do with the reason I am seeing a doctor today.


43 posted on 06/22/2007 11:46:39 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Kimmers

“What about the guy that went through a depression problem back in 1982 because of job loss, should he be banned from owning a gun?”

Most likely they will expand this to automatically include anyone who has been on an anti-depressant.

That would cut alot of the population out right there.


44 posted on 06/22/2007 11:47:10 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: borntoraisehogs; y'all
Where does the creeping destruction of rights end?

"- the historically and politically unique civilization that was born at Concord Bridge - and specifically constituted to prevent travesties like alcohol Prohibition, business Prohibition, drug Prohibition, or weapon Prohibition - is headed nowhere now but toward an increasingly oppressive police state that has already nullified everything the Founding Fathers, and the Bill of Rights they left us, once stood for.

When You Wish Upon a Star ..., by L. Neil Smith
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854121/posts

45 posted on 06/22/2007 11:51:56 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
The plan allows names to be entered into the NICS system based solely on a physician's diagnosis or prescription of a medication: adults who have taken Ritalin and soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder would be classified as mentally ill and given the same opportunity to own firearms as convicted felons: None.

Not only is this a violation of a persons Second Amendment rights, it is a violation of their Fifth Amendment right of due process.

So, where's the ACLU?

Molon labe

46 posted on 06/22/2007 11:52:12 AM PDT by holymoly (FMCDH)
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To: ASA Vet

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1297843655


47 posted on 06/22/2007 11:52:24 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m a doctor and I have no idea what “government mandated survey” you are talking about. Could you kindly provide a link or please STFU?


48 posted on 06/22/2007 11:54:01 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (I shot the Sheriff, but I did not shoot the debutante.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
It wasn't a good idea to miss.
Doc. used a short double barrel 12 Gauge.
(Or at least that's what's portrayed in the flicks.)
49 posted on 06/22/2007 11:54:40 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m afraid I would have write in my variation of “no”.
But, the meaning would be clear!


50 posted on 06/22/2007 11:56:24 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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