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US Senator Norm Coleman Responds to my Email
email | Fri 22 June 2007 | myself and Senator Norm Coleman

Posted on 06/22/2007 2:59:56 PM PDT by lesser_satan

Earlier today, I sent an email to Senator Norm Coleman regarding the immigration bill. Me email and his response:

Dear Senator Coleman,

I understand another effort is being made to bring the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill up for cloture.

Without indicting the motives of those promoting this piece of legislation, I would like to present my arguments for why this bill should be rejected:

1) Federal Government has no credibility when it comes to border enforcement

We were promised increased border security after the 1986 amnesty, and very little was done to fulfill this promise. To make matters worse, the Secure Fence Act of 2006 promised us 700 miles of secure fencing, and to date, about thirteen miles have been completed. The entire premise of the current bill is based on the assumption that the government will do what is necessary to secure the border, something at which it has failed repeatedly in the past. When laws we already have are being ignored, what good will new legislation do?

2) The proposed Z-Visa system is both unworkable and unfair to prospective immigrants

The number of illegal aliens in the country is estimated to be twelve million, with some estimating the number as high as twenty million. As I understand it, the Z visas would provide the holders with travel and work privileges within twenty-four hours of the application being submitted. I have very little faith in the DHS bureaucracy's ability to process these applications with due diligence, and I have reservations about the cost to taxpayers to implement such a massive program.

Also, it's my understanding that many of the illegal aliens in the country came here legally on visas and overstayed those visas. If we can't keep track of and enforce the visas we've already issued, how are we going to deal with twelve to twenty million more?

In addition to feasibility problems, I believe the Z-visa program is a slap in the face to the millions of people around the world who are respecting our laws and patiently waiting their turn for a chance to work and live here in the United States, as well as those who have already become citizens or visa holders by legal means.

3) What will be done to ensure those being granted amnesty would be good citizens?

I'm deeply concerned about who, exactly, would qualify for the Z-Visa program and/ or citizenship. It would, in my opinion, be unacceptable to allow illegal aliens who are felons, drug addicts, gang members, sex offenders, the mentally ill, or the chronically unemployed to remain in the country under any circumstances. Will prospective visa holders/ citizens be required to demonstrate proficiency in English and knowledge of American history, culture, and civics? Also, communism is again rearing it's ugly head in Latin America. What will be done to ensure prospective visa holders/ citizens are not here to act as agitators for Hugo Chavez or other communist elements? Will there be any special provisions for other-than-Mexican illegals from countries with known jihadist networks?

4) Political concerns

The following is excerpted from the Rasmussen Reports website regarding a poll taken June 11th and 12th:

"Sixty-nine percent (69%) of voters would favor an approach that focuses exclusively on "exclusively on securing the border and reducing illegal immigration." Support for the enforcement only approach comes from 84% of Republicans, 55% of Democrats, and 69% of those not affiliated with either major party."

"Overall, just 21% are opposed to the enforcement-only approach."

"Just 30% would favor legislation that focused "exclusively on legalizing the status of undocumented workers already living in the United States." Fifty-seven percent (57%) oppose that strategy, including 63% of Republicans, 52% of Democrats, and 55% of unaffiliated voters."

"Fifty-seven percent (57%) favor a proposal giving "all illegal aliens up to three years to leave the United States. After leaving, the illegal aliens would have to get in line and wait their turn for legal entry into the United States." Support for that concept comes from 67% of Republicans, 49% of Democrats, and 56% of unaffiliated voters."

As you can see, support for this bill is coming mostly from special interest groups, with very little support from the populace. The Republican Party has a golden opportunity to seize this issue and champion an enforcement-first approach, and this would surely pay dividends in the '08 elections.

In Closing

The President and some of your Senate colleagues have characterized those who oppose this bill as bigoted, nativist xenophobes. This is not the case. I would like to say that I am in no way opposed to legal immigration, which should be increased if we truly have a labor shortage. Many of our best citizens are immigrants who have come to this country legally. However, making it easier for illegal aliens to obtain visas and become citizens than it is for those who are trying to do it the legal way is both an affront to the rule of law and deleterious to our national security.

I know you and your staff are very busy, and I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this.

Best Regards,

xxxx

Spring Park, MN

Dear Mr. xxxx :

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns regarding immigration reform. I believe the current immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. I look forward t o voting for a bill which will provide for real border security, will eliminate the lure of continued job opportunities for illegal immigrants, and will provide a program that would have helped identify illegal immigrants in this country with their continued presence conditioned on learning English, paying taxes and being employed.

I could not, however, support the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) in its current form. S. 1348 was never considered by a Senate Committee and was brought directly to the floor before most of us had a chance to fully review it. Senate leadership blocked many amendments, including my own, that would have improved the bill. The repercussions of this bill are too great, and I could not in good conscience support moving forward with legislation that is incomplete and unfinished. For this reason, I voted against a procedural motion on June 7, 2007 that would have pushed the bill forward without further debate.

I believe that improving our border enforcement capabilities must be central to any immigration reform legislation. Our unprotected borders are unacceptable and represent a crisis which must be dealt with decisively and without delay. I am pleased that S. 1348 would require hiring more Border Patrol officers, constructing vehicle barriers and fences on the Southern border, monitoring the entire border electronically and ending the catch-and-release system that leads to many illegal aliens remaining in the United States, and that such improvements would have to be enacted before any permanent benefits would be given to the current illegal population and before any new guest worker program would start. This bill would also increase the penalties for many immigration violations.

I strongly oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants. Any legalized status for people already here must not be a blank check that will encourage more people to enter this country illegally. In order to be here, I believe that immigrants must undergo background checks, demonstrate proof of employment, possess English proficiency and an understanding of civics, and pay a monetary penalty if they entered illegally. S. 1348 would do much of this, but I would have preferred more stringent policies in some of these areas. I would have supported more rigorous background checks than currently in the bill and stricter workplace enforcement if given the opportunity to amend the bill. I am pleased that under S. 1348 illegal immigrants would not be eligible for Social Security benefits accrued using a false number.

You may also be interested to know that I introduced amendments that would have ended the policy of sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities are cities where local law enforcement is barred from so much as asking the people they come into contact with about their immigration status. As a consequence, these cities are able to evade their legal responsibilities to share such information with federal authorities. This is a gag order, and it essentially means the rule of law does not apply in these cities. My amendments (S. Amdt . 1158 and S. Amdt . 1473) would lift that gag order and allow law enforcement officers in these cities to inquire about an individual's immigration status and share their findings with the Department of Homeland Security.

While immigration reform must reflect the American values of fairness and opportunity, it must also show respect for the rule of the law. It is my hope that proper debate on a border security and comprehensive immigration reform can be held in the Senate, and the result will be legislation that provides for a safer, more secure and prosperous America .

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact me. I appreciate hearing from you and I value your advice.

Sincerely,
Norm Coleman
United States Senate


TOPICS: US: Minnesota; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: amnesty; immigration; immigrationbill; shamnetsy; vampirebill
Please discuss.
1 posted on 06/22/2007 2:59:59 PM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: MplsSteve; mplsconservative; Valin; ButThreeLeftsDo; TypeZoNegative

Ping!


2 posted on 06/22/2007 3:01:01 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

Sounds like he is a ‘YES’ Vote on CLOTURE.

Therefore, he is a weasel.


3 posted on 06/22/2007 3:02:42 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: lesser_satan

You all need to gin up some calls to him so he feels the pain in store if he votes for cloture. He has a large number of Mexican constituents, and needs to hear from the other side.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 3:09:02 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: lesser_satan

ping


5 posted on 06/22/2007 3:10:30 PM PDT by joeystoy
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To: new yorker 77

yep!


6 posted on 06/22/2007 3:11:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: new yorker 77
I don't see where he is voting for cloture.

I'm not saying he is or isn't, I just can't discern from where he implies he is.

7 posted on 06/22/2007 3:13:35 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: new yorker 77

How did you deduce that?


8 posted on 06/22/2007 3:14:38 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: lesser_satan
Great letter, l_s.

If we can't keep track of and enforce the visas we've already issued, how are we going to deal with twelve to twenty million more?

With YOUR tax money!!

9 posted on 06/22/2007 3:16:26 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ping!


10 posted on 06/22/2007 3:17:27 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

I’ve seen this letter from Coleman. A guy I work with got the same one.

They may have registered your letter as received and being against cloture, but they didn’t read it.


11 posted on 06/22/2007 3:20:17 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Thanks, that’s good to know.


12 posted on 06/22/2007 3:21:28 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

“”You may also be interested to know that I introduced amendments that would have ended the policy of sanctuary cities.””

Blah Blah Blah.

With passage of the bill the immediate mass legalization of tens of millions of illegals will make “sanctuary cities” pointless. The whole country will become a sanctuary.

All enforcement will cease as meaningless.


13 posted on 06/22/2007 3:21:58 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lesser_satan

Looks like a NO on cloture. He can’t support the act currently before the floor is what I think it said.


14 posted on 06/22/2007 3:23:13 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: 3AngelaD

“He has a large number of Mexican constituents, and needs to hear from the other side.”

Those must be illegals. All MexAmericans I know don’t want amnesty, but some concern about “family reunification” changes.


15 posted on 06/22/2007 3:23:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: lesser_satan
NRO Corner has been excellent is updating the vote tally on cloture. They called Coleman's office yesterday:

Staffers for Norm Coleman, R-Minn., said that he has concerns that the bill is incomplete, particularly if it does not include his "sanctuary city" amendment, but until that issue is resolved, he cannot say with certainty how he will vote on cloture.
16 posted on 06/22/2007 3:24:10 PM PDT by Republican Red (The word "courage" is not in the liberal vocabulary)
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To: lesser_satan

And, I can guarantee you that my friend wasn’t anywhere near as cordial as you were. He lit him up pretty good.


17 posted on 06/22/2007 3:24:45 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Republican Red

Thanks, that seems to be consistent with what his email said.


18 posted on 06/22/2007 3:25:49 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: RinaseaofDs

“Looks like a NO on cloture.”

He’s a “YES”

He’s looking for a fig leaf — his “sanctuary city” amendment. If it fails he’s still wobbly. If it passes he can say “I’m tough on enforcement”

As I said earlier, I think the “anti-sanctuary city” bid is a canard. The bill would turn the whole country into a sanctuary. Enforcement will end. Big Business/ACLU will be instructing all persons when challenged to say, “I have been in the US since December 31, 2007”. That will terminate enforcement.


19 posted on 06/22/2007 3:29:05 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: new yorker 77
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/upload/s_1639.pdf

Start here and go to Paragraph 902 (near the end). Read closely the content on the European people.

You can read through the thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1853615/posts to pick up Freeper comments.

Some claim Coleman is behind this one.

There are those who might well disagree with the idea of forming a Commission to study the question of whether Nazis and their families should get in line for payoffs from the United States.

I think these guys thought they'd padded this one so well with the Jewish Refugee Commission material that no one would catch on to what they were doing.

Coleman has a horse in this race. Not one I'd ride of course, but there it is.

20 posted on 06/22/2007 3:34:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: lesser_satan
In order to be here, I believe that immigrants must undergo background checks, demonstrate proof of employment, possess English proficiency and an understanding of civics, and pay a monetary penalty if they entered illegally

In other words he's for amnesty.

All the rest of the crap is just window dressing for the fatal fact: they get to stay, because they decided to, not us.

It's amnesty if you get to keep the money after robbing the bank. Even if you said you were sorry and gave back a little of it.

21 posted on 06/22/2007 3:34:22 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: lesser_satan

Except for the salutation, I received the same letter from Normoron after telling him he’ll be able to hold his reelection rallies in a phone booth if he doesn’t join in the killing of this bill. The amount of nuancing in that letter would make Kewwy proud.


22 posted on 06/22/2007 3:35:11 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Shermy
As I said earlier, I think the “anti-sanctuary city” bid is a canard. The bill would turn the whole country into a sanctuary.

Exactly right.
23 posted on 06/22/2007 3:37:39 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I received this letter as well. I agree, it’s very vague and obviously a form letter.


24 posted on 06/22/2007 3:39:58 PM PDT by frequent_lurker
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To: lesser_satan

Coleman. Ain’t he a former dem? Another Rino that can change his mind in mid-stream methinks. Beware.


25 posted on 06/22/2007 3:40:20 PM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: frequent_lurker
Warner uses essentially the same letter. A fundraiser for the RNC called the other day and he used talking points from that letter.

It's the "party line".

These guys really do think we are all stupid.

26 posted on 06/22/2007 3:41:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Indeed!


27 posted on 06/22/2007 3:42:59 PM PDT by frequent_lurker
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To: mc5cents
Coleman. Ain’t he a former dem?

Yes, he got elected mayor of St. Paul as a Dem and then switched.

28 posted on 06/22/2007 3:44:57 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: mc5cents

And BTW, he’s originally from Brooklyn, in case you wonder about his accent.


29 posted on 06/22/2007 3:48:01 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

VERBAL TAP DANCE


30 posted on 06/22/2007 3:55:56 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: mc5cents

I live in greater Minnesota (translation, rural) and if I remember correctly, he was elected as a democrat mayor of St. Paul and then switched parties.


31 posted on 06/22/2007 3:57:34 PM PDT by frequent_lurker
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To: lesser_satan

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


32 posted on 06/22/2007 4:00:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: muawiyah

BUmp!


33 posted on 06/22/2007 4:22:52 PM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: lesser_satan
Whenever I hear the phrase "current law is broken" what I think is government won't enforce current law and wants more power. Norm has never been anything but a posturing weasel. His support for pro-life issues has been the only thing that has secured my vote. He is Jorge's boy and always has been.
34 posted on 06/22/2007 4:44:36 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fighting Morlocks and educating the Eloi since 1976.)
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To: lesser_satan
Through all this BS, not one elected official has ever addressed why the '86 laws aren't enforced.

I guess they need new laws so their names can be in lights to justify their over-paid posteriors...

35 posted on 06/22/2007 4:56:45 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: lesser_satan

The fix is in…everything coming out of D.C. is merely really bad Kabuki theater. These guys call the shots…it’s our elected officials who have to suffer the heat for those working behind the scenes…but you don’t want to turn up the heat too much or you’ll find out what all those FEMA camps Haliburton International’s built are for…

Here’s where we’re headed whether we like it or not.

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf


36 posted on 06/22/2007 4:58:08 PM PDT by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: lesser_satan

Norm will not vote NO one the first cloture vote because he has proposed an enforcement amendment.

With that said, he better darn well vote NO on cloture vote #2 or we can say hello to Senator Franken.


37 posted on 06/22/2007 5:02:11 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Kill Bill II, The Night of the Living Dead Amnesty.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Exactly. These letters are written by staff, standardized to the first or second line in the incoming letter, and that’s all the thought they put into your well-thought out letter. Coleman is a roaring RINO, if there is such an animal, and unless he votes no on the upcoming vote then his GOP support should dry up and, God help us, Al Franken will walk the Senate floor at will!


38 posted on 06/22/2007 6:16:36 PM PDT by KingLiberty (As 12th Imam I declare 'Give me liberty or give me. . . twins would be nice.')
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
I’ve seen this letter from Coleman. A guy I work with got the same one.

Me three.

39 posted on 06/22/2007 7:02:49 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Fred.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Saving our tax dollars, for certain......

;-)


40 posted on 06/22/2007 7:06:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: muawiyah

“Some claim Coleman is behind this one.

There are those who might well disagree with the idea of forming a Commission to study the question of whether Nazis and their families should get in line for payoffs from the United States.

I think these guys thought they’d padded this one so well with the Jewish Refugee Commission material that no one would catch on to what they were doing.”

This was put forward by Senator Feingold. Saying ‘some people claim Coleman is behind this one” is an unfair statement unless you have data to back it up. Few people objected to Feingold’s amendment on this.


41 posted on 06/22/2007 11:24:49 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! Call the Senators, tell them to vote "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: WOSG
It's quite obvious no one read Feingold's amendment. So, if Coleman didn't do it, then Coleman didn't do it. The matter has come up several times and some other Freepers speculated concerning who added the "European" elements.

Did you bother reading this piece of trash?

42 posted on 06/23/2007 4:43:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Did you bother reading this piece of trash?”

This is a great question for ALL of the Senators on the bill as a whole.

I’m too steamed about the amnesty stuff to pay much attention to this WWII item. But I have this much info: it was introduced by Feingold as amendment 1176, passed with 67 votes, and had the headline “To establish commissions to review the facts and circumstances surrounding injustices suffered by European Americans, European Latin Americans, and Jewish refugees during World War II.”

As far as I can tell, this is another taxpayer-funded excercise in self-flagellation and historical guilt creation. Before we know it, we’ll be blaming ourselves for Hitler’s attack on Poland *and* Pearl Harbor.


43 posted on 06/23/2007 9:59:56 AM PDT by WOSG (Stop Z-visa amnesty!! Call the Senators, tell them to vote "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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