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Your doctor could put you on no-gun list
WorldNetDaily ^ | June 21, 2007 | Naomi Laine

Posted on 06/22/2007 8:03:29 PM PDT by freemike

The House of Representatives has fast-tracked new legislation to "improve" the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by allowing doctors to now decide who can own firearms.

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1 posted on 06/22/2007 8:03:34 PM PDT by freemike
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To: freemike

I think that makes sense.


2 posted on 06/22/2007 8:06:47 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: freemike

Another farse. If some whacko wants to get a gun, one can be had in no time on streets, for the right price. Just more tokenism and another kick to the Second Amendment. The Congress is becoming more useless by the day — check their ratings — they are in the toilet and rightfully so.


4 posted on 06/22/2007 8:09:51 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: freemike

and I can reciprocate by putting him on my target list.


5 posted on 06/22/2007 8:11:22 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: freemike

Could that be extended to dentists?


6 posted on 06/22/2007 8:11:50 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: GoMeanGreen

How do you propose to prevent abuse of this power?


7 posted on 06/22/2007 8:13:17 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: freemike
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854711/posts
8 posted on 06/22/2007 8:13:31 PM PDT by ASA Vet (NO more RINO's)
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To: freemike
The plan allows names to be entered into the NICS system based solely on a physician's diagnosis or prescription of a medication

If a doctor is anti-gun then he could see pro-gun people as having mental problems.

9 posted on 06/22/2007 8:18:05 PM PDT by teacherwoes ("It is vain to expect a well-balanced government without a well-balanced society" -Gideon Welles)
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To: freemike

so now the gungrabbers will support hilliarycare....and the vast majority of healthcare workers will support gungrabbers


10 posted on 06/22/2007 8:21:56 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: teacherwoes
If a doctor is anti-gun then he could see pro-gun people as having mental problems.

BINGO! The factor that makes this unconstitutional is called DUE PROCESS. I would agree that a doc's opinion might be vital as long as there is some form of ADJUDICATION of an individual in a court of law where he has the opportunity to defend against the charges. Take a look at the AMA for an official doctrine on Firearms. It'll make your blood run cold.

11 posted on 06/22/2007 8:25:13 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: EagleUSA; All

I have posted this many times on FR.....Give me 10 grand, and drop me in any major city in America, and I can buy enough ammo to destroy Yankee Stadium : )


12 posted on 06/22/2007 8:26:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Dudoight
I think that makes sense.

Not if some doctors turn out to judge that none of his patients should be able to own a gun.

If that's due process, I'm Bugs Bunny...

13 posted on 06/22/2007 8:27:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
How do you propose to prevent abuse of this power?

Find a competent doctor to find you competent. Then sue the anti-gunner doctor for malpractice. A few payouts and an increase in liability insurance for doctors who make such judgments will end the practice.

14 posted on 06/22/2007 8:27:27 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: freemike

Now my last physical exam makes some sense. The Doc gave me a questionaire to fill out before the exam, which of course would go over recent medical history and such.....I was shocked to find a question asking if I had any firearms in the house. There were other very personal questions irrelevant to my medical condition I did not want to answer.

I ripped the doc a new one over these questions and he backed off and said I didn’t have to answer if I didn’t want to.


15 posted on 06/22/2007 8:38:34 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Tack it up and shut em down Fred!)
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To: freemike
Not like I'm in favor of any new anti-gun legislation, but WorldNutD is overhyping it just a tad. Like with their claim that all PTSD vets will automatically be put on the NICS list. That's not how I read it. It specifically says that you have to be declared a danger to self or others or unable to manage your affairs to make the list. PTSD does not involve any of those.

Text at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:3:./temp/~c110yNCb2w:e585:

The bill is HR 2640. Again, no bill would be a better bill, but, this text is not as alarming as WND states.
16 posted on 06/22/2007 8:39:47 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: Dudoight

In case you didn’t know this, a huge number of family practitioners are nanny state liberals. A few years ago they were leading the movement to ask every kid they saw if there was a gun in the home, etc. etc. Dr’s live in their own world.


17 posted on 06/22/2007 8:42:47 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: GoMeanGreen

All it will take is one gun rampage nut to sue his doctor for not doing this and the white coated gates will clang shut on all our 2nd amendment freedoms, unless we are so healthy as to see no doctor at all.


19 posted on 06/22/2007 8:46:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Rodney King

A lot of people don’t know this, having no personal interest in RKBA they don’t see the threat.


20 posted on 06/22/2007 8:48:56 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: freemike
From the article: <>PThe plan allows names to be entered into the NICS system based solely on a physician's diagnosis or prescription of a medication: adults who have taken Ritalin and soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder would be classified as mentally ill and given the same opportunity to own firearms as convicted felons: None.

So...because I had trouble concentrating in Grad school and was prescribed Ritalin, or I was treated for depression after my miscarriage, then some quack can violate my civil rights? I DONT THINK SO!

Wait until a Democrat Dr. starts putting in all of his Republican patients on the list

Also, there was no mention of redress or process of appeal. What if you already own guns, someday without warning, the cops are gonna show up an confiscate your guns. No thanks, I saw that in Yugoslavia.

21 posted on 06/22/2007 8:53:02 PM PDT by reaganaut ( ex-mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: BipolarBob

By your name, I take it that this is more than a “theoretical” situation.


22 posted on 06/22/2007 8:53:22 PM PDT by ndt
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To: freemike
So your proctologist can tell if you would be a responsible gun owner?
24 posted on 06/22/2007 9:04:01 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: GoMeanGreen; reaganaut
" The text of the bill indicates no such provision."

That's correct. This bill provides for no change in fed law regarding fed firearm disabilities. All the bill does is change the requirement for states to provide relevant background info from the present voluntary submission of records, to must submit all relevant records. Those records that must be submitted regard both fed and state firearm disabilities.

Some states provide for their own firearm disabilities. That includes certain mental health diagnosis. The inclusion of state records that show a person is prohibited from owning firearms under state law is already incorporated in fed law. It's simply voluntary now and this bill would make the submissions mandatory.

25 posted on 06/22/2007 9:10:32 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: freemike

Hmmmm ..?? Why not go to the dr and then go buy your gun!


26 posted on 06/22/2007 9:24:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt (What is it about "ILLEGAL" that people don't understand ..??)
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To: Thrownatbirth
Could that be extended to dentists?

Sure. Trust me. I'm a dentist.
27 posted on 06/22/2007 9:37:48 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: omnivore

It doesn’t matter how you read it, it’s how the AG will interpret the law.


28 posted on 06/22/2007 9:38:35 PM PDT by walangkatapat
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To: HerrBlucher

Yeah, but what if the doctor-god gets to submit the questionnaire to higher authorities with annotations such as,

“Patient became obstinate and potentially violent when asked to answer whether or not he currently owns firearms. Further investigation to include patient’s personal residence is strongly recommended.”

A refusal to answer will be interpreted as a yes.


29 posted on 06/22/2007 9:58:09 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; teacherwoes; Vn_survivor_67-68; ExSoldier; Publius6961; LoneRangerMassachusetts; ...

No guns for you!

Excerpt:
It had to happen. A taxpayer-funded study by the National Institute of Mental Health and the National Science Foundation (NIMH-NSF) announced last August [2003] that adherents to conventional moral principles and limited government are mentally disturbed.

NIMH-NSF scholars from the Universities of Maryland, California at Berkeley, and Stanford attribute notions about morality and individualism to “dogmatism” and “uncertainty avoidance.” Social conservatives, in particular, were said to suffer from “mental rigidity,” a condition that, researchers assert, is probably hard-wired, condemning traditionalists to a lifelong, cognitive hell, with all the associated indicators for mental illness: “decreased cognitive function, lowered self-esteem, fear, anger, pessimism, disgust, and contempt.”

http://www.beverlye.com/200401131957.html


30 posted on 06/22/2007 9:58:54 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
How do you propose to prevent abuse of this power?

Good luck with that. Gov. Earl Long of Louisiana had a Director of Health Services - or some such - who had had some sort of disagreement with Long and began publicly saying that he was mentally ill. Long just fired him.
31 posted on 06/22/2007 9:59:56 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: freemike

My dentist is a gun owner and NRA life member. This is in New Jersey.


32 posted on 06/22/2007 10:03:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: freemike

....but they’re not going to decide if someone can have an abortion? This is strange....


33 posted on 06/22/2007 10:17:24 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: freemike; Joe Brower

BTTT


34 posted on 06/22/2007 10:22:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: GoMeanGreen
WorldNetDaily

Thursday, June 21, 2007

ON CAPITOL HILL
Your doctor could put you on no-gun list
Congress fast-tracks plan to let physicians ban weapons ownership

Posted: June 21, 2007
11:04 p.m. Eastern

By Naomi Laine

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., announcing a provision to allow doctors to ban people from owning guns

The House of Representatives has fast-tracked new legislation to "improve" the National Instant Criminal Background Check System by allowing doctors to now decide who can own firearms.

The proposal, H.R. 2640, was sponsored by U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., in the wake of the April tragedy at Virginia Tech, when a gunman shot and killed more than 30 people, then killed himself.

McCarthy, whose own husband was killed in a random shooting on a commuter train in New York City in 1993, introduced the "NICS Improvement Act," which sailed through the House in three days.

The plan is the first congressional effort to curtail gun ownership rights in a decade, but by being put on the fast track was exempted from the ordinary committee hearings and public scrutiny most proposals are sent through.

"Millions of criminal records are not accessible by NICS and millions others are missing critical data," said McCarthy. "Each year, tens of thousands of barred individuals slip through the cracks of the system and gain access to firearms. Simply put, the NICS system must be updated on both the state and federal level."

If the Act passes in the Senate, it would provide grants so states can add the names of criminals to the NICS system, which would label them as unable to own firearms, but it also flags those with medical or psychological issues as unfit to possess a gun.

The plan allows names to be entered into the NICS system based solely on a physician's diagnosis or prescription of a medication: adults who have taken Ritalin and soldiers with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder would be classified as mentally ill and given the same opportunity to own firearms as convicted felons: None.

Gun Owners of America is one of only a few organizations alerting consumers to the implications.

"Under this bill, based solely on a diagnosis of a psychiatrist, an American's name could be dumped into the National Criminal Instant Check (NICS) system," said GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt, who called the plan "conviction by diagnosis."

The organization, which launched a campaign to lobby the Senate to reject the plan, said the McCarthy plan "dramatically" expands the "dragnet" used to disqualify law-abiding gun buyers.

"So much so, that hundreds of thousands of honest citizens who want to buy a gun will one day walk into a gun store and be shocked when they're told they're a prohibited purchaser, having been lumped into the same category as murderers and rapists," the organization said in a statement on its website.

The legislation requires states to better share records that would disqualify individuals deemed unfit for gun ownership by inputting those names into the FBI’s Instant Criminal Background Check System.

"This underscores the problems that have existed all along with the Brady Law. At the time it was passed, some people foolishly thought, 'No big deal. I'm not a bad guy. This law won't affect me.' But what happens when good guys' names get thrown into the bad guys' list? That is exactly what has happened, and no one should think that the attempts to expand the gun control noose are going to end with the McCarthy bill," the gun owners group continued.

"Speaking to the CNN audience on June 13, head of the Brady Campaign, Paul Helmke, stated that, 'We're hopeful that now that the NRA has come around to our point of view in terms of strengthening the Brady background checks, that now we can take the next step after this bill passes [to impose additional gun control],'" said the gun owners.

"Get it? The McCarthy bill is just a first step," the group said.

The Act is a response to the Virginia Tech tragedy.

Tech student Seung-Hui Cho was not flagged when he purchased guns, although the state of Virginia knew Cho had been ordered to undergo mental health treatment. No evidence indicates that Cho could have been stopped from opening fire on classmates had the new changes been in place at the time of the shooting.

The National Rifle Association has endorsed the plan as a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable.

35 posted on 06/22/2007 10:23:04 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

ping


36 posted on 06/22/2007 10:23:08 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: freemike

Well its like I said eventually the only way you are going to retain any rights is to fight for them. Never leave your rights up to the NRA.

Eventually revolution must come.


37 posted on 06/22/2007 10:26:46 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: Star Traveler
The National Rifle Association has endorsed the plan as a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable.

The National Rifle will never get another penny from me. I've had enough of their compromising our gun rights away.

39 posted on 06/22/2007 11:14:13 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

How do you propose to prevent abuse of this power?

Don’t know, but I also think it is a crock that doctors can decide if we drive or not. No wonder Doctors have the God complex.


40 posted on 06/22/2007 11:21:15 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Then sue the anti-gunner doctor for malpractice.

You can't do that, at least not in Texas. I'm a malpractice attorney.

You used to be able to sue for things like that before tort reform. Tort reform would now cost anyone who tried to sue for a thing like that between $50,000 and $100,000. Now doctors are pretty much immune to all manner of evil deeds.
41 posted on 06/22/2007 11:32:08 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wrong. See my post 41.


42 posted on 06/22/2007 11:35:06 PM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: napscoordinator

I’ve about decided to live and die without medical help. The doctors I had last time I was in the hospital all looked capable of flying an airliner into a skyscraper, couldn’t understand me, or I them.
It worries me that we have people on THIS forum, of all places, with little knowledge of what is at stake with the RKBA issue, and no concern at all, they just don’t care.


43 posted on 06/22/2007 11:46:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

True. However I will blame the government making it so difficult to even see a gun much less use one. Every generation has less useage of a gun so the right doesn’t seem so necessary and does not bother them if they lose it. I really believe that this has a lot to do with it.


44 posted on 06/22/2007 11:52:16 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Iwo Jima

Assuming one lost. But in a place like Austin the sob sisters could be found.


45 posted on 06/22/2007 11:52:48 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Iwo Jima

& that’s just Texas, how about the other 49?


46 posted on 06/22/2007 11:53:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Star Traveler

“The National Rifle Association has endorsed the plan as a way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally unstable”.


Problem is, it won’t work, and the libs know it won’t work, next will come a demand for a bit more legislation, and that won’t work either, it just goes on and on.
Why give an inch, it is always a loss?


47 posted on 06/22/2007 11:53:13 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Thrownatbirth

“Could that be extended to dentists?”

What about therapists?

School counselors?

Social workers?

Dormitory / resident assistants?

Teachers? Principals?


48 posted on 06/22/2007 11:54:09 PM PDT by Silly (http://www.paulklenk.us)
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To: ThomasThomas
"So your proctologist can tell if you would be a responsible gun owner?"

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DR: "I'm sorry Sir, but anyone with hemorrhoids as big as yours is just way too crabby to be packing heat."

49 posted on 06/22/2007 11:58:11 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: napscoordinator

This may be true where you live, it’s not the way kids are raised around here.
Don’t get me started on the bad effects that urbanization has on many things. Haven’t you noticed how disgusted some of us get with “city slickers”? I’m saying this in a friendly way, train your kids to cherish freedom, or train your grandkids to live in chains.


“The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once”.
Judge Alex Kozinsky


50 posted on 06/23/2007 12:01:45 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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