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How conservative is Fred Thompson?
Washington Times ^ | 06/23/2007 | Editiorial

Posted on 06/23/2007 7:19:15 AM PDT by etradervic

After John East, a stalwart conservative from North Carolina, entered the U.S. Senate in 1981, wags began referring to Jesse Helms as "the liberal senator from the Tar Heel state." We are reminded of this tale as Republican activists rush to encourage, if not yet fully embrace, the presidential candidacy of Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee. The Republican base is evidently unimpressed or uninspired (or both) by the conservative credentials of the top three Republicans (John McCain, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani) seeking the 2008 presidential nomination. Mr. Thompson's most-oft-cited conservative credential is his 86.1 percent lifetime (1995-2002) Senate vote rating compiled by the American Conservative Union (ACU), the organization that many rightly consider a leading arbiter of conservatism. In the same relative sense that Mr. Helms could be considered North Carolina's "liberal senator," Mr. Thompson's ACU rating would qualify him to be "the liberal senator from Tennessee" during his eight-year stint. Bill Frist, who defeated Democratic incumbent Jim Sasser, was elected to the Senate from Tennessee the same year (1994) as Mr. Thompson, who won the seat vacated in 1993 by then-Vice President Gore. During the eight years they represented Tennessee together, Mr. Frist compiled an ACU rating of 89.3 percent, making Mr. Thompson "the liberal senator from the Volunteer state."

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McCain-Feingold-Thompson

What does Thompson say today about his role in this censorship bill?
1 posted on 06/23/2007 7:19:16 AM PDT by etradervic
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To: etradervic

He’s said (I believe on a Fox News interview) that there are parts of the bill that he still likes and others that he is not happy with.


2 posted on 06/23/2007 7:22:49 AM PDT by paddles
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To: etradervic

Fred has mentioned recently that CFR is not working as he hoped and he favors scrapping parts of the bill.

We will be hearing from Fred on CFR soon.

After he announces within the next few weeks- all these questions will be fair game- as he well understands.


3 posted on 06/23/2007 7:27:06 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: etradervic
He's as conservative as his hero and mentor, John McCain.

He even pushed through McCain's assault on the first amendment. It's the only truly significant (as in "having an impact") thing he accomplished in ten undistinguished years as a senator.

He says he's sorry now.

I feel a LOT better now that's he's expressed regret. / sarc

4 posted on 06/23/2007 7:28:24 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

No kidding. I guess that Hillary can just say she is sorry for the things she believes and FREEPERS will welcome her with open arms as our candidate. Duncan Hunter is the only conservative candidate that should be President.


5 posted on 06/23/2007 7:30:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Politicalmom

Disgruntled Willardian gnats PING!


6 posted on 06/23/2007 7:31:55 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: RockinRight; jdm

Anti-Fred FUD ping.


7 posted on 06/23/2007 7:33:40 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: etradervic

Having Mary Matalin on board doesn’t make feel all warm and fuzzy about Thompson. I equate Matalin with Bush the Elder’s failed moderate policies, not to mention that she sleeps and has spawned with the enemy.


8 posted on 06/23/2007 7:35:23 AM PDT by Dahoser (Never question Mr. Nibbles!)
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To: etradervic

Somewhere between Rootie and McQueeg.


9 posted on 06/23/2007 7:36:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: JCEccles; napscoordinator


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10 posted on 06/23/2007 7:40:40 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: JCEccles

Now now...lol! The top three are so bad that I personally have to give serious consideration to Thompson. I won’t vote for Rudy McRomney.


11 posted on 06/23/2007 7:41:53 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: JCEccles

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38b7e6657eee.htm


12 posted on 06/23/2007 7:42:45 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (I'm John McCain and I'm here to help......)
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To: etradervic

He’s said it hasn’t turned out the way he thought and lot’s of it need to be scrapped. No one’s perfect but he’s head and shoulders about Rudy McRomney.


13 posted on 06/23/2007 7:43:19 AM PDT by LoneStarLegend78
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To: etradervic
It says nothing. From the ACU's website
ACU tracks a wide variety of issues before Congress, ranging from taxes to spending and national security to abortion. Accordingly, our ratings encompass three general categories: (1) economic and budget matters; (2) social and cultural issues, and (3) defense and foreign policy. ACU endeavors to analyze votes from each category in order to obtain a balanced, comprehensive picture of an individual member's ideological predisposition based upon recorded records.

Each member of the House and Senate is rated on a scale of 0 to 100.

The purpose of the "Rating" is to inform the public, in as unbiased a method as possible, exactly where individual Senators and Members of the House stand on the ideological spectrum from liberal to conservative.

So if a member of Congress votes no on an issue because that member realizes the issue is none of the federal government's business per the Framers, the ACU would mark that a 'liberal' position even when it's not.
14 posted on 06/23/2007 7:43:41 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: etradervic

This is such inside baseball. McCain Feingold was and is bad law. It does abridge free speech and FDT concedes that it has not worked. That said, the main people who are angry about it are: a) inside the beltway; and b) employed by advocacy groups whether of the left or right and thus have a financial interest and personal pecuniary ax to grind in opposing it.

Most people do not care much about it. FDT concedes that it was a mistake, but he saw politics awash in money and was trying to do something about it. End of story.

As far as the ratings, these things are compiled by groups like the ACU and the ACLU that have agendas too and ways of ranking votes. For example, FDT’s vote against some forms of Federal tort reform would be characterized as liberal by the Chamber of Commerce and probably the ACU. It is instead a principled conservative vote based on the idea that the states are best positioned to enact their own tort reform, both legislatively and through the selection of conservative state Supreme Courts. (I have heard Fred on this point and he is both eloquent on it and quite correct).

The bottom line, if you are looking for a conservative is not to cherry pick one or two votes a legislator has cast, but to look for a salient philosophy. FDT is: 1) the strongest federalist at least since Reagan, and perhaps more committed to federalism than the Gipper; and 2) Very much in favor of slashing the power and spending of the federal government. He is committed to overturning Roe, so he passes this litmus test of most of us in the GOP. In short, what is not to like about the man?


15 posted on 06/23/2007 7:43:47 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: napscoordinator
I guess that Hillary can just say

That is a typical tactic when one cannot defend a statement or position -- they try to change or redirect the subject. IIRC, under Clinton it was called moral equivalency.

The topic is Fred Thompson and his conservativism, not Hillary.
16 posted on 06/23/2007 7:43:55 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: napscoordinator

Fred’s overall record is very strong and conservative. And he’s the only Conservative with a real chance at winning. I like Duncan Hunter and would gladly elect him if he had a chance, he doesn’t. Fred’s strong stance on the 2nd Amendment alone should get him elected over any of the three of Rudy McRomney.


17 posted on 06/23/2007 7:45:51 AM PDT by LoneStarLegend78
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To: etradervic

IMMIGRATION PROFILE OF SEN. FRED THOMPSON:

Voted to grant amnesty to close to one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997

Voted in 1996 to continue chain migration

Voted in favor of chain migration in 1996

Voted to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers in 1998

In 1996, removed higher fines for businesses which hire illegal aliens

Tried to kill voluntary pilot programs for workplace verification in 1996


Thompson in favor of Amnesty as long as it’s not “easy”

In a recent appearance on the program Hannity and Colmes, Fred Dalton Thompson stated very clearly that getting the Illegal Alien Trespassers out of the country “is not gonna happen” and that the solution is to “work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship” but that we shouldn’t make it “easy” so that it is not unfair to the other Aliens waiting to get in. Pro Amnesty Fred?


18 posted on 06/23/2007 7:48:24 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: LoneStarLegend78

An excellent post. I agree completely.


19 posted on 06/23/2007 7:53:23 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: JCEccles

And Romney introduces Hillary care to Mass., flipped on abortion and welcomes an assault wapons ban. McCain authored the McCain Feingold bill and supports amnesty. Giuliani-—well, the list is too long and discouraging. You can root for Tancredo or Hunter but so far they haven’t broken into the top tier. Given the choices, Fred seems to be the best bet.


20 posted on 06/23/2007 7:53:24 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: RasterMaster

Why don’t you post the links to those votes and exactly what the votes were? (ie- Were they stand alone bills or buried in some appropriations bill), instead of just posting your conclusory statements? If this is your strategy for lifting Duncan Hunter above .25 in the polls, it is not going to work.


21 posted on 06/23/2007 7:55:40 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: LoneStarLegend78
I agree with you. But a close examination and lots of questions are good things. Fred has to earn this.

Oh, and I am not saying Hunter can't win yet. He can't win if we write him off before he has even withdrawn from the race. I think we should stop the early calls on who can and can't win. Let's start by picking the best candidates and give people a chance to get to know them.

22 posted on 06/23/2007 7:55:54 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Do your own research....phoney polls don’t elect a President.


23 posted on 06/23/2007 7:57:31 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: Brices Crossroads

http://www.numbersusa.com/index


24 posted on 06/23/2007 7:58:48 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: RasterMaster

Nicaraguans and Cubans are very different than most other illegal immigrants, because the majority of them are political refugees.


25 posted on 06/23/2007 8:01:03 AM PDT by Seven Minute Maniac
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

He can’t win. I wish it weren’t so, but it is. He and Tancredo need to throw their support behind Thompson so we can sew this thing up.


26 posted on 06/23/2007 8:01:21 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: FremontLives

I am not writing off the lower tier of candidates yet. the election isn’t tomorrow. We should take our time and select the best candidate. If everyone did that I wonder how different the results would look.


27 posted on 06/23/2007 8:03:47 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Seven Minute Maniac

Fred doesn’t believe in sending illegals home....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgdo0zpQZE


28 posted on 06/23/2007 8:04:08 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: etradervic

You folks are forgetting the bottom line!

None of our candidates are perfect. Fred Thompson is not perfect - However - if I agree with Fred 86% of the time and he has the best chance of beating Hillary whom I agree with only 1% of the time then I’m for Fred.

I may agree with another candidate 92% of the time but IF that candidate has no chance of beating Hillary, I would be silly to support the candidate that cannot beat Hillary.


29 posted on 06/23/2007 8:04:14 AM PDT by Martins kid
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Can you think of any time in modern history when a lower-tier candidate broke through to win the nomination? Even if you can, they didn’t have the money and media issues of today to deal with.

The only one I actually think might have some chance at traction is Huckabee, if they give him more mainstream questions at the debates. He’s really running for VP though.


30 posted on 06/23/2007 8:07:02 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

If the candidate cannot beat Hillary soundly then that candidate should not be chosen. Otherwise Republicans look like that cartoon of the mouse flipping off the eagle right before the predator rips it to shreds.

Hillary is a predator and we need a strong candidate who can squash her. Otherwise we are wasting our time here.


31 posted on 06/23/2007 8:08:14 AM PDT by Martins kid
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To: Seven Minute Maniac

You won’t get any of this with Fred:

“Jobs Americans won’t do...”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAs11dcCPSg


Here’s another quote.....

“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with telling people they have to go home!” - Duncan Hunter

Host Channel: Atlas On the Air

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849539/posts


“Mr. Chertoff is charged with securing the border. And the one thing he’s not doing — he’s appearing on lots of talk shows. He is not securing the border.” - Duncan Hunter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1852133/posts


Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007 (Hunter and Tancredo: Cosponsors to End Illegal Anchor Babies)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854638/posts


32 posted on 06/23/2007 8:09:09 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: Petronski
Romney hire up a bunch of Jeb Bush's strategery people.

I wonder how close (politically) Romney is to the Bush family.
33 posted on 06/23/2007 8:09:20 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Petronski

Mitt and Heidi sittin in a tree.....


34 posted on 06/23/2007 8:11:55 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: FremontLives

What makes lower tier lower tier? It’s that we the voters are not supporting them. My point is only that many who do not support them WOULD LIKE TO but they have been convinced of their “can’t win” status. So it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You don’t support a candidate who can’t win — and a candidate can’t win if you don’t support him.


35 posted on 06/23/2007 8:12:28 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Martins kid

Who decides who can or can’t beat Hillary?


36 posted on 06/23/2007 8:13:06 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: RasterMaster

“Do your own research”

I do my own research. This is YOUR research. When I post assertions, I can back them up. The “facts” you post are presumably the fruits of your research, which you refuse to disclose, calling into question their accuracy. I repeat... You do not assist Duncan Hunter by posting unsubstantiated “facts” about Fred Thompson.


37 posted on 06/23/2007 8:13:48 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: etradervic
He doesn't have to be that conservative to be more conservative than most of the Republican candidates.

How about asking the question, "How conservative is McCain?" or "How conservative is Rudy?"

38 posted on 06/23/2007 8:14:31 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Apparently no one really is giving any money to Hunter. That’s certainly a barometer. I see your point though. I’m just very impressed with Thompson.


39 posted on 06/23/2007 8:16:51 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: SE Mom

If he scraps his campaign that would be better


40 posted on 06/23/2007 8:17:15 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: Brices Crossroads

From the horse’s mouth, “we can’t deport illegals”....we must give them a path to amnesty:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G9KM3AZUROA


41 posted on 06/23/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy, Romney & McCain = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party - Duncan Hunter, President 2008)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Top three are soo bad...who Hillary, Obama, and Edwards....?


42 posted on 06/23/2007 8:18:27 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: All
I DON’T KNOW WHO actually chooses the presidential candidates. They say the party bosses used to make these decisions in dark smoke filled rooms in the back somewhere.

Is it any different now?

Whoever brought Thompson (or is pushing/encouraging him) to run, at least got it right when they saw the three “wrong tier” (first tier) candidates are not getting the traction they expected.

Oh Yes!... An actor, that is what we need… someone who resembles Reagan somehow!... Who?... What?,,, Thomson you say?... Bring him immediately!... We need that man.. Pronto!. (LOL)

Could it be really that the American voter is actually smarter? Boldly independent from the MSM and party affiliation?... Just with their eyes fixed on the ball?... on results… on actions? DARING to ignore all those who tell us we should be voting for one of these 3 bozos? Well 4 now with Thompson?

Thomson does not impress me more than the other 3 clowns.

Social conservatives, don’t let them fool you, be on the alert and do NO compromise your principles.

43 posted on 06/23/2007 8:19:23 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
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To: Brices Crossroads
FDT concedes that it was a mistake, but he saw politics awash in money and was trying to do something about it. End of story.

So, bad law is better than no law?

I suppose it depends on whose ox is being gored.

I have problems with a politician writing a law (Thompson chaired the committee that wrote CFR) and not understanding or perceiving the Constitutional infringements such a law might impose.

I saw this with Clinton's Telecommunications bill. They knew parts were unconstitutional, but they passed it anyway because they figured the Supreme Court would take care of that.

I saw this with McCain's Campaign Finance Reform bill. They knew parts were unconstitutional, but they passed it anyway because they figured the Supreme Court would take care of that.

That bothers me when Congresss intentionally passes bills they know contain unconstitutional elements.

If FThompson couldn't perceive these unconstitutional elements when he was involved in writing CFR, I have concerns about his perceptibility now. Presidents usually don't have the luxury of do overs with their presidential decisions.
44 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:02 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Also,...Senators by history don’t win elections...that is why liberal press has built up Thompson...they know he is like a new version of Bob Dole..make the same mistake again my ignorant friend..why not


45 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:10 AM PDT by GoMonster (GO)
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To: LoneStarLegend78
And he’s the only Conservative with a real chance at winning.

That's the ticket. A really solid, hard-line conservative of the kind we'd all appreciate and admire would not be electable. Fred is as conservative as he needs to be, to be an effective leader, without looking like he's off the deep end to voters from the mushy middle, who distrust both extremes. Mitt Romney has positioned himself at that point, too.

46 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:15 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: etradervic

Bush signed it. We all voted for Bush.


47 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:26 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: RasterMaster

Dude, that is from 1999! McCain was still a conservative back then. It says nothing about Thompson’s policy regarding immigration.


48 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:45 AM PDT by Seven Minute Maniac
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49 posted on 06/23/2007 8:21:42 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: Seven Minute Maniac

Look, if you want anyone to agree with you then you have to substantiate your claims.


50 posted on 06/23/2007 8:22:19 AM PDT by Seven Minute Maniac
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