Posted on 06/23/2007 11:46:07 AM PDT by nj26
I agree with you on that. They were a better class of Mexican immigrant than we get today. It was a reasonable rate of immigration from Mexico. Not today's chaos and drug running and immigration-invasion
The Americans of Hispanic descent that I have known -- the New York Times would call them "Mexcian immigrants", but I won't -- are American in every respect. My neighbor happens to fit this description.
In that sense, my neighbor is no different than the Americans of German descent (such as myself), or Irish descent or Italian descent.
Only liberals see my neighbor as a different -- and somehow inferior -- class of person.
“No more Bushes in elected office, EVER.”
AGREED! Including Jeb and his son George P.
Yesterday, I responded by focusing on the fact that most people who ever came to America, had similar characteristics; that those the article mentioned were not culturally defining; that they did not go to the actual issue here. I put it thus:
As did all of the settler groups that came here from Europe, as well as the European immigrants who followed after nationhood--at least up until the Welfare State began to corrupt motives. There is not justification for changing the fundamental culture of America, because some Mexicans are hard working and family oriented. Other Mexicans are filling jails and prisons, today, both in Texas and other States. Neither those virtuous Mexicans nor the Mexican criminals really define the issue here; nor does the article or my comment really even touch upon the considerable cultural divide involved here. This merely points up the President's confusion, not his compassion and not his wisdom. For my part, I think I had him nailed last year, when this response to his May 15, 2006 address on Immigration, was posted at my Conservative Resource Center:
Answer To President On Immigration.
Personally, I might share the President's enthusiasm for the good Mexicans, who practice their industry and family values in Mexico. But their virtue will not confuse my sense of what is in America's best interest--which is the President's duty, as it is my desire.
The problem is that I failed to notice what is really informative in the passage quoted from the Times. I failed to focus on why the investigator felt it significant to understanding the President's attitude, to mention his having a sense of contrast between the Mexicans and his "advantages . . .as the scion of a wealthy New England family."
It is precisely by giving--or trying to give--the sons and daughters of wealthy, rooted American families, guilt complexes about the achievements of their families, that they have turned so many, so far Leftward, at schools like Harvard, Yale, etc.. Many of us had been persuaded in the 1990s that George W. Bush had escaped the "liberal" conditioning at Yale. Well, more and more it has been clear that we were wrong; and this indicates that he had indeed bought the fallacy.
It is a fallacy, because those advantages were the result of his forebears "working hard, building businesses and raising families." They are not a reason to romanticize what anyone else is doing; nor to react in guilt to challenges to his own heritage.
There is no reason that industrious Mexicans and Central Americans should not achieve in their own lands. God Bless those who do. We have limited space, limited resources; and a very unique culture. We need to stop apologizing and let our own children enjoy their own birthright. If President Bush is ashamed of his, that is his problem. He has not right to make it ours.
William Flax
"The very concept of a "Nation" distinguishes its members from the rest of humanity. It is a recognition of all that make a people unique; all that give them a sense of identity and continuity. Generally such involve not only common patterns of thought as to identifying characteristics, but a common history, a common struggle; shared victories, shared disasters, common lines of descent; a recognition of a common purpose, spanning many generations."
You then pointed out how Mr. Bush believes in some sort of magical process that turns Mexican peasants into good American citizens. Following that you cited how many aspects of Eurocentric cultures persist in different regions of the country without trodding upon the cementing values mentioned above.
"People create cultures--cultures that reflect their natures--not the other way around. Can America neglect the point, and rush blindly into accepting huge numbers, who come from a very incongruous background, as future citizens; putting mystical faith in a "Melting Pot" or in our "country's genius for making us all Americans?" The President's quack political medicine is a prescription for the death of any recognizable America."
You then point out the foolishness of allowing millions of unskilled/educationally-challenged laborers in while our economy has left our own citizens of that type to languor.
"Businessmen, rubbing their palms over the prospects for cheap semi-skilled labor, need to reflect a bit more on the long term prospects of their own heirs and descendants..."
"While one often hears comments suggesting that a removal of working aliens would cause a major dislocation in the American economy, this is actually part of a circular and very dangerous misconception. We have limited space, limited natural resources. While one can certainly expand the Gross Domestic Product by expanding the population, the "benefit" is often illusional. That business expansion--including in the instant case the expansion that has taken place over the last decade or so by reason of the huge illegal migration, does not necessarily benefit the settled population. While many American businesses may obtain an immediate increase in their "bottom line," the hidden costs of that expansion are less easily perceived."
You listed drains on our resources and space, increased costs of education, law enforcement and social services plus the disintegration of social order and cultural integrity. I would add that the scofflaw attitudes and infection of bribery that the illegals bring actually accelerate that erosion of cultural integrity - amply demonstrated by the Ramos-Compean travesty.
You are kind to write off the Presidents behavior to mere confusion while the evidence points more to purposeful action on behalf of those who sacrifice our better interests for raw profit and power.
While I used the term "confusion," I am well aware of some of the motives involved. Yet, analyzed, I believe they all involve intellectual confusion. For example, the perceived benefit to business interests, is limited to a few quarters, before the hidden costs become more obvious.
But the real driving motivation is, in my opinion, the skilled but deceptive tactics that have brainwashed a large percentage of College and University Graduates in the Westen World, over the past two or three generations, into believing that some form of World Order is both desirable and inevitable. Unless one is a deliberate traitor, such intellectual nonsense is premised upon confusion--what I labelled years ago, in taking on Norman Cousins, as "Surrender By Subterfuge." The President, in my estimation, is a damn fool who has been taken in, not a deliberate traitor. And the same applies to Teddy Kennedy, who has been promoting insane theories on immigration for over forty years. Both men were probably brainwashed in their Ivy League Educations.
I need to go to dinner, but I can give you a lot of evidence of how the confusion has been spread, as I have been fighting it since I was 15. Let's resume this discussion in the near future.
But glad to see you still in the fight! Never give up, and never compromise what is right to appease those who do not have any right, whatsoever, to give away our civilization.
Bill Flax
Thank you for that well reasoned response...the dearth of such being why I post rarely anymore (that and working more than I ever have since my Army stint). As always, I’m prepared to drop everything for a place in your Cabinet should you gain the Presidency. I wouldn’t even shoot any friends in the face.
Seriously - we need conservative representation more than ever.
Bon appetit!
“I don’t trust the alledged relationship between the Bushes and the Clintons”
I don’t either. Seems like things started going south for Bush with his base when papa and Slick became buddies. Something is just not right there.
I would say better it more a totally different mentality legal Mexican immigrant were the same as any other legal immigrant coming to the US the came to become American
It the 60's this started to change, United Farm Workers Union, La Rasa, MEChA, Brown Berets, etc. started, model on other 60's radical groups... from this came the popularization of the Aztelan idea ... People remember the black radical riots on the late 60 and early 70's but forget the Hispanic radical riots of the same time in So Cal ...these same Hispanic radical leaders co-opted any Hispanic immigration to make sure then did not assimilate
Folks this is nothing new... but has been a goal an a plan of some radical for a long time
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