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Taliban Admits Defeat
Strategypage ^ | 6/25/07

Posted on 06/25/2007 9:12:52 AM PDT by Valin

The Taliban has admitted defeat, in their own unique way. In recent media interviews, Taliban spokesmen announced a shift in emphasis to suicide bombings. The Taliban also admitted that the Americans had infiltrated their high command, which led to the death or capture of several senior Taliban officials, and the capture of many lower ranking ones as well. There have also been some prominent defections recently, which the Taliban spokesmen did not want to talk about.

The Taliban has never been a terrorist organization. They began as a paramilitary operation fifteen years ago, when they were recruited from refugee camps in Pakistan. There, Afghans in religious schools were armed by Pakistani intelligence officers, and persuaded to go back to Afghanistan to end the civil war raging there and establish a religious dictatorship. No terrorism, just brute force by a bunch of gun toting young guys on a mission from God. Once they achieved power, the Taliban quickly demonstrated that they did not have a clue when it came to running a country. They did give al Qaeda, recently run out of Sudan, a refuge. By the late 1990s, they were using a brigade of al Qaeda gunmen as enforcers, to keep increasingly unhappy Afghan tribes in check. Then came September 11, 2001, and it was all over in two months. A few hundred American Special Forces and CIA operatives provided advice, encouragement and smart bombs to help the Afghans drive the Taliban out of power. Fleeing back to Pakistan, the Taliban spent five years rebuilding and soliciting funds from wealthy Islamic conservative Arabs and Pakistanis. Afghan drug gangs also became sponsors, as these guys had got their start when the Taliban were in power. Back then, if you paid the Taliban a "tax" you could produce and ship opium and heroin in Afghanistan. The new Afghan government has been hostile to that arrangement, but the Taliban are eager to restore the good old days.

Terrorism is a step back for the Taliban, and an admission that they have failed, in the last two years, in their effort to march into Afghanistan and take over. Suicide bombing is suicidal in more ways than one. Most of the victims, so far, have been Afghans, and this has turned many likeminded (Islamic conservative) Afghans against the Taliban. But at this point, the Taliban have no choice. They must either step back, or step aside. By choosing to proceed with a terror campaign, they are also selecting extinction.


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; gwot; islam; muhammadsminions; progress; quranicteachings; suicidebombings; taliban; waronislamism; wot

1 posted on 06/25/2007 9:12:53 AM PDT by Valin
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To: SandRat

bttt


2 posted on 06/25/2007 9:13:52 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: Valin

Now drop 100 Moabs to send a message.


3 posted on 06/25/2007 9:14:36 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Valin
The Taliban also admitted that the Americans had infiltrated their high command...

Remember that funeral we didn't bomb? My guess is that some of our operatives were in attendance, gathering intelligence.

4 posted on 06/25/2007 9:16:14 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: SolidWood

When you stand up to them they skuttle back under the rocks.


5 posted on 06/25/2007 9:16:33 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Valin

The liberal argument is that we should redploy from Iraq to Afghanistan because we ignored it and let the Taliban re-constitute itself.


6 posted on 06/25/2007 9:16:47 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Valin

bttt


7 posted on 06/25/2007 9:17:24 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Valin

Bella Pelosi and Dingy Harry Reid deeply saddened


8 posted on 06/25/2007 9:17:28 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson / Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Valin
Once they achieved power, the Taliban quickly demonstrated that they did not have a clue when it came to running a country.

This statement is true of a lot of "movements". The key example is the Palestinian "movement." The reason the peace talks fell apart was that Arafat realized that he didn't have the foggiest idea of how to govern. If he couldn't continue the struggle then he knew he would lose power. That has continued under the remains of Fatah and now with Hamas.

9 posted on 06/25/2007 9:17:38 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: hunter112
My guess is that some of our operatives were in attendance, gathering intelligence.

Very possible. The decision not to bomb took a lot of flak, but I believe there was a very good reason for not taking them out at the time. That could have been why.
10 posted on 06/25/2007 9:20:52 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (..and the horse you rode in on!)
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To: Valin
A completely clueless sophomoric story.

The Taliban is and has been a secondary player.

The enemy is Islam not the Talibaners.

Until

1. the Saudi funding of worldwide jihad collapses
AND
2. the West realizes the infiltration of islam provides aid and assistance to those pledged to destroy us

The war will continue. Has it ever really stopped in the past 1300+ years? I think not.

11 posted on 06/25/2007 9:21:17 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Valin

The taliban has never been a terrorist organisation. They just went around killing people for the fun of it.


12 posted on 06/25/2007 9:21:52 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: Valin

***The Taliban has never been a terrorist organization. They began as a paramilitary operation fifteen years ago, when they were recruited from refugee camps in Pakistan.***

That’s what they are in the Middle East. Freedom fighters

Over here, in the real world, they’re a terrorist organization.

I heard the surge isn’t working, Harry Reid said so.

(Do I really need a /s tag?)


13 posted on 06/25/2007 9:22:38 AM PDT by wastedyears (Check my profile for links to anti-illegal immigration T-shirts.)
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To: Valin

I just read in the MSM the other day that the Taliban were resurgent. This report can’t be true.


14 posted on 06/25/2007 9:23:04 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: hunter112

I hope that is the case, and I hope I will remember it next time I get angry with an apparent failure to act. It’s hard to do when there have been so many times I wrongly assumed the Bush administration had strategic reasons for actions/non-actions I faulted it for.


15 posted on 06/25/2007 9:25:33 AM PDT by Bluegrass Federalist
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To: Valin
Anyone who is curious about what it's like to live under the Taliban in Afghanistan should see this movie.
16 posted on 06/25/2007 9:25:52 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: eleni121

What you said is the damn truth.

These ‘battles’ against the Taliban or Saddam or Al Qaeda even are non-events in the coming war against all 1.2 billion of them.


17 posted on 06/25/2007 9:27:11 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Valin

The Taliban should just wait a bit longer. The Democrats will likely help them snatch victory from defeat.


18 posted on 06/25/2007 9:27:47 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: eleni121
"The enemy is Islam not the Talibaners."

Well said.

19 posted on 06/25/2007 9:44:30 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: USNBandit
Once they achieved power, the Taliban quickly demonstrated that they did not have a clue when it came to running a country.

This statement is true of a lot of "movements".

One such movement is Communism, represented in this country by the Democrat Party.

20 posted on 06/25/2007 9:48:22 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Valin
The Taliban has never been a terrorist organization.

Well, when they were the government in Afghanistan, they were terrorists with a seat at the UN.

21 posted on 06/25/2007 9:50:00 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Dog

FYI


22 posted on 06/25/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ "There is no honor for the man who runs from battle." Spc. Josh Lott)
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To: Valin
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23 posted on 06/25/2007 10:17:09 AM PDT by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: Valin

God bless our troops. Our total victory in Iraq and Afghanistan is drawing near.


24 posted on 06/25/2007 10:19:49 AM PDT by jveritas (Support the Commander in Chief in Times of War.)
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To: Valin
I thought I read in the NY Times they the Taliban were going to kick our collective butt in their fearsome Spring Offensive. Still awaiting that. Heck, I'm still awaiting the onset of the Brutal Afghan Winter that will throw us out of the country...
25 posted on 06/25/2007 10:31:02 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: clamper1797
Bella Pelosi and Dingy Harry Reid deeply saddened

They would be if stories like this ever saw the light of day, but fortunately for them the MSM has their backs covered.

26 posted on 06/25/2007 10:34:41 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: SolidWood; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...

27 posted on 06/25/2007 4:12:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Valin

BTTT


28 posted on 06/25/2007 4:14:06 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 ... Go ahead, look it up!)
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To: Valin

BUMP!


29 posted on 06/25/2007 4:23:34 PM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Valin

So much for that old media vaunted “taliban spring offensive”.


30 posted on 06/25/2007 4:29:59 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: samadams2000
How about so many MOABs, we create Ground Zero Ocean?


31 posted on 06/25/2007 4:37:28 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: do the dhue

I am so there.


32 posted on 06/25/2007 4:50:07 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: All
Reagan - A Rendezvous With Destiny

Reagan says:

There is no argument over the choice between peace and war. But there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace. And you can have it in the next second. Surrender.

Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other then this. But every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement. And this is the specter our well meaning liberal friends refuse to face.

That their policy of accommodation is appeasement. And it give no choice between peace and war. Only fight or surrender.


I still love Ronald W. Reagan.

33 posted on 06/25/2007 4:53:37 PM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: eleni121; Marine_Uncle
The Taliban is and has been a secondary player.

The enemy is Islam not the Talibaners.

I believe as events unfold it will become more clear that the Extreme Al Queda position is not going to win the hearts and minds of the ME population....it's happening right now in the Iraqi Laboratory.....and Hamas is resisting the invite from al-Queda to join.....

34 posted on 06/25/2007 5:40:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Valin

Identify their leaders, find them and kill them before they can encourage another mentally insane wannabe serial killer,


35 posted on 06/25/2007 5:59:17 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Why do liberals thrive on bad news for America?)
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