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Romney 'unlikely' choice of evangelicals
The Baptist Press ^ | 6/21/2007 | Rachel Waligorski

Posted on 06/25/2007 1:00:31 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691

Romney 'unlikely' choice of evangelicals

Posted on Jun 21, 2007 | by Rachel Waligorski KANSAS CITY, Mo. (BP)--The "overarching and primary concern" why evangelicals likely will not vote for a Mormon for president is the Mormon claim to be the only true Christian church, a Southern Baptist seminary president said during the International Society of Christian Apologetics' annual meeting in Kansas City, Mo.

If Mormons were to call themselves "a new religious movement," that would be one thing, said R. Philip Roberts, president of Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, which hosted the June 1-2 meeting.

"But I have a very difficult time with the perspective [the Mormon church holds] that, 'We are the true expression of Christianity and all other forms of it are wrong and false and apostasy and heresy,'" Roberts said, paraphrasing the doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Roberts, who led a breakout session titled "Mitt Romney: Should Evangelicals Vote for a Mormon President?" during the June 1-2 meeting, is one of Southern Baptists' leading experts on Mormonism and author of a book on the church, "Mormonism Unmasked."

(Excerpt) Read more at bpnews.net ...


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Not unexpected really. Utah may be run in the same manner that the Baptists would like every state to be run, but the fact is, theological difference will hurt Romney, and in general, those primary voters who are going to be subject to alot of coverage of how Utah is run, will also be less likely to vote for him

Not to offend his fans, but America is not ready for this honestly.

1 posted on 06/25/2007 1:00:32 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Its Thompson or bust. I really hope he has it in him or...nevermind...too horrifying to contemplate.


2 posted on 06/25/2007 1:02:59 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

If Romney personality as a phony politician that people don’t care for. It has nothing to do with his Mormonism. People don’t trust him.


3 posted on 06/25/2007 1:03:46 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Any evangelical that allows “Abortion on Demand” democrats to be elected in the next election loses their right to say they are pro-life.


4 posted on 06/25/2007 1:05:32 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: AzaleaCity5691

He doesn’t speak for me. I’m not voting for Romney because I don’t trust a word he says.


5 posted on 06/25/2007 1:06:00 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

So far, Duncan Hunter is at the top of my list.


6 posted on 06/25/2007 1:10:03 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Romney is a class act and has my vote. A business man who will make good use of the veto. Don’t underestimate him. He has a top tier team working with him and they are very efficient.


7 posted on 06/25/2007 1:10:40 PM PDT by ElRushbo (Harley Riders against Elton John)
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To: misterrob
Any evangelical that allows “Abortion on Demand” democrats to be elected in the next election

No evangelical can do that except for voting for a candidate who espouses such a thing.

Voters don't "allow" anything. We vote for a candidate, plain and simple. If we don't think he's trustworthy, if we don't believe he will be a good leader, then we shouldn't vote for him no matter what letter comes after his name on the ballot.

Voting against the Democrat agenda whenever possible is a given. In the general election, we can talk about making such a compromise. But now? In the primaries? It is far too early in this process to panic.

8 posted on 06/25/2007 1:11:57 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

I will not vote for the man, but I’m not voting on his religion, I am voting on (against) HIM and his candidacy for the Presidency. I just don’t believe him. His religion has nothing to do with it.


9 posted on 06/25/2007 1:12:29 PM PDT by BMIC
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Mormon faith is just about the last reason not to vote for ol’ Mitt the flipper.


10 posted on 06/25/2007 1:12:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: TexasCajun

He’s a good man. So far I can support Hunter, Brownback, Huckabee or Thompson. If Rudy McRomney wins, I’m writing in Judge Roy Moore.


11 posted on 06/25/2007 1:12:51 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

We are talking about a group of people who think that T-Rex was walking around the holy land at the same time as Jesus. Of course they are not going to vote for someone who says that Joseph Smith stuck his head in a hat and read some gold plates, coming up with a story that contradicts the old and new testaments in hundreds of ways.

Just statin’ the obvious.


12 posted on 06/25/2007 1:13:40 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: ElRushbo

I am not underestimating him. I’m just saying I won’t vote for him.


13 posted on 06/25/2007 1:13:43 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: ElRushbo
He has a top tier team working with him and they are very efficient.

So did Herman Goering.

14 posted on 06/25/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by XR7
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And, Heidrich Himmler.


15 posted on 06/25/2007 1:14:12 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Always Right
If Romney personality as a phony politician that people don’t care for. It has nothing to do with his Mormonism. People don’t trust him.

What happens when one of the "phony politicians" starts to repent of his phonyness?

Does that make him yet more phoy?

16 posted on 06/25/2007 1:14:29 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Any factual discussion of the life of the “Prophet Joseph Smith” will hang Romney’s religious faith in less than an hour. Anyone with any intellectual honesty that is curious about the Mormons can do an easy Google search on Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to figure the truth out.


17 posted on 06/25/2007 1:16:22 PM PDT by xJones
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Voting for Roy Moore is like voting for Romney, Moore believes in Dominionism.


18 posted on 06/25/2007 1:16:53 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: ElRushbo

Romney’s “success” in business amounted to “leveraging” companys for a profit. He won, but often the companies and their employees suffered.

Is this the sort of man you think shouldn’t be underestimated? Me too.

Unfortunately, many are underestimating his deviousness.


19 posted on 06/25/2007 1:18:18 PM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

I could vote for a Mormon. I can’t vote for Mitt. He makes John Kerry look intellectually consistent. Either he was lying about some of his core positions to further his ambition in Mass or he is lying about some of his core positions to further his national ambitions. Either way I don’t trust him.


20 posted on 06/25/2007 1:18:32 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Looks like a lot of people on this thread think Hillary, Obama and Edwards have higher principles than Romney. Very interesting.


21 posted on 06/25/2007 1:18:56 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Voting for Roy Moore is like voting for Romney...

Is Roy Moore a Republican presidential nominee?

22 posted on 06/25/2007 1:19:50 PM PDT by XR7
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To: AzaleaCity5691

I’m looking at the list of leading Republican candidates, and Romney is better than all of them possibly except one.

I don’t like Mormon ideology, but I would definitely consider voting for him. I won’t vote for Giuliani, McCain.


23 posted on 06/25/2007 1:20:05 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Parley Baer
Looks like a lot of people on this thread think Hillary, Obama and Edwards have higher principles than Romney.

Name one.

24 posted on 06/25/2007 1:20:41 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Parley Baer
Looks like a lot of people on this thread think Hillary, Obama and Edwards have higher principles than Romney.

That's a ridiculous and illogical conclusion.
25 posted on 06/25/2007 1:22:04 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Parley Baer
Looks like a lot of people on this thread think Hillary, Obama and Edwards have higher principles than Romney.

That's a ridiculous and illogical conclusion.
26 posted on 06/25/2007 1:22:46 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Always Right

If Romney personality as a phony politician that people don’t care for. It has nothing to do with his Mormonism. People don’t trust him.


If her had been a solid, unwavering person of principle for his entire career, then far fewer would worry that his next flip would be something unpleasant regarding Mormonism.

And it’s easy to imagine the October 2008 three part Time Magazine cover series “Mormonism in America.” Right or wrong, discomfort with Mormonism would shift several percent of the electorate into the other party’s column.


27 posted on 06/25/2007 1:23:53 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
I know many evangelicals who are supporting Romney. They are smart enough to understand doing so is not an endorsement of LDS.
28 posted on 06/25/2007 1:28:12 PM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

If Mormonism is the only “problem” that Mitt has ,then he would be a stellar candidate.

Mitt lacks credibility to me.


29 posted on 06/25/2007 1:29:31 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Always Right
It has nothing to do with his Mormonism. People don’t trust him.

Trust him or not. . .like his hair - or not; believe there are a great many people who take issue with his Faith.

So. . .they can excite themselves witih a thrice married or twice married or whatever candidate who gives lip service to a Christian Faith. . .talks the talk but does not walk the walk. . .

Or they can choose to vote for a man who in fact; by all demonstration, walks his 'talk'; and who lives by what could only be described as an exemplar of Christian and/or 'family values'.

The irony of choice here; and the angst of analysis amongst Christians is rediculoous and torturous. . .and politically destructive.

30 posted on 06/25/2007 1:32:31 PM PDT by cricket
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To: AzaleaCity5691

People keep trying to tell me that I won’t vote for a mormon. I guess thats all they’ve got.

He’s not the most outspokenly conservative of the lot, so my preference is going to be Hunter/Thompson. So if he wants my vote, thats his target. He’s got to be more Hunter than Hunter, and more Thompson than Thompson.

Of course, Hunter was Hunter when being Hunter wasn’t cool. Er, or something like that. So Romney will always have that problem, after running for office in a state where he had to downplay or over-explain or over-nuance his conservative beliefs, to now have to speak boldly or be lost in Thompson’s wake. Or, Hunter, if lightning strikes and he should ever get enough momentum to ever have a wake.

Thats his problem with evangelicals, which is to say, with conservatives in general. But if he overcomes it, and is the nominee, I’d pull the lever for him gladly. I’ll be more glad if its Hunter/Thompson, but if its Romney I’m still there. Next to anyone on the Dem side of the line, Romney is a giant.


31 posted on 06/25/2007 1:32:53 PM PDT by marron
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Moore does not believe in Dominionism. That’s slander to say that.


32 posted on 06/25/2007 1:35:52 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: ElRushbo

“Romney is a class act and has my vote”

Which Romney are we talking about? Today’s Romney or the one that adopted all those liberal positions to get elected governor of Massachussetts? If you can change your attitude about abortion as easily as taking off your shirt I don’t care what you say now. Why in the world would anybody believe him? If I was going to vote for a huckster from Mass why wouldn’t I vote for a first-class one like Kerry or Kennedy?

Romney’s success entirely depends on all of us having short memories and being infinitely forgiving.

Ok Mitt, I forgive you for your former position on abortion and gun control but, just in case you backslide when its expedient...I want you to do it as a private citizen.


33 posted on 06/25/2007 1:37:13 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Apocalyptic president?
34 posted on 06/25/2007 1:39:48 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: cricket

I take issue with his faith because well, I know what it is like to be a non-evangelical in Alabama, which is similar to being a non-Mormon in Utah. Granted, I live in a city that is primarily high church, which the largest white denomination being Catholicism, but the flip side of this, is that our area has often found itself on one side, with the rest of the state on the other.

And it’s not as bad here, because the Baptists are divided by race, and white baptists don’t constitute a majority of the population. In Utah, Mormons are something like 70% of the population, and with the exception of the ski resorts and Salt Lake City, it’s the Mormon way or the highway, and the problem is, in Utah, the only way people show their dissatisfaction with Mormon domination is by voting for Democrats, some of them really liberal.

I don’t want this foisted on the rest of the country. Mitt is going to have a more Mormon staff than any other Presidential candidate, just like Clinton had alot of people from Arkansas, Carter from Georgia, Bush from Texas and Reagan from California. And the thing is, because these Mormons will make up the volunteer corps of the campaign, should he become President, they become the patronage workers. Anyone with half of a knowledge of politics understands this point, and this is why there will be such opposition to Romney, because in honesty, no one outside of Utah wants a Mormon run government, because anyone who has been to Utah has seen what that has resulted in. As I recall, they arrested people at the Olympics for drinking.

I also honestly have never liked business trips to Salt Lake City because you can tell who is Mormon, and who is not, and you can tell a difference in the way they operate.

And this whole idea of a Mormon prophecy where one of theirs becomes president just as “America is about to fall”......it’s political suicide. And that’s the way I see it.


35 posted on 06/25/2007 1:40:56 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: Parley Baer
Looks like a lot of people on this thread think Hillary, Obama and Edwards have higher principles than Romney. Very interesting.

It looks like the "If you don't vote for my candidate you are for Hillary!" line has moved from the Rudybots to the Romneybots.

36 posted on 06/25/2007 1:48:11 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Ok, it is my opinion that he believes in dominionism.

And I will state that my opinion constitutes fact in my eyes. I have watched the career of Moore for 15 years. Moore is the political descendant of the 1920’s Ku Klux Klan, and of the Bibb Graves-Hugo Black way of governing the state. The people who voted for Moore, were the people whose political ancestors voted for Hoover in 1928 during straight ticket one party days, entirely because Smith was Catholic. Smith’s margin of victory statewide came in our county.

Moore is a lackey of trial lawyers and more than that, several former supporters of his actually refused to support him in 2006 precisely because he believed in “dominionism”. But thanks to the way primary elections go in this state, he got crushed, and honestly, the only primary I think he can win anymore is for maybe a state senate seat.....but this is not about Roy Moore, he is a has been, this is about Romney, a man whose nomination could cost us the ability to appoint Stevens replacement.


37 posted on 06/25/2007 1:51:42 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AzaleaCity5691

The Baptists get it wrong again. Go figure. Maybe someday they will become “real” Christians...la


38 posted on 06/25/2007 1:54:34 PM PDT by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne
"The Baptists get it wrong again."

How so?

"Maybe someday they will become “real” Christians...la"

Like Mormons, right?

39 posted on 06/25/2007 1:57:26 PM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: Rodney King; Parley Baer
It looks like the "If you don't vote for my candidate you are for Hillary!" line has moved from the Rudybots to the Romneybots.

It reeks of desperation, no matter where it comes from.

40 posted on 06/25/2007 2:01:36 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Enosh

Baptists spend too much time worrying about other people and what they are doing. Maybe they should pay a little more attention to themselves and work there first. Nothing like having Fred Phelps as a member.


41 posted on 06/25/2007 2:02:18 PM PDT by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne
"Nothing like having Fred Phelps as a member."

All other Baptists reject those freaky nut jobs as not being Baptists in the first place.

Why don't Mormons reject their freaky nut jobs, such as Joseph Smith?

42 posted on 06/25/2007 2:14:41 PM PDT by Enosh ()
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Mitt is going to have a more Mormon staff than any other Presidential candidate, just like Clinton had alot of people from Arkansas

Does he have a Mormon staff in Massachussetts? How about Harry Reid?

Personally, I would like to see his hair messed up - at least once - but think he is more than well qualified - if not the best qualified candidate - to be President. I see him as a man who respects 'values' and lives them. Is he perfect? No. . .but then. . .why go there.

I also like Fred Thompson; who has little hair to mess up. . .but am waiting to hear and see how he handles what is sure to be an assault. The kind any Repub expects to get from Demrats. . .but do not want to wait, too much longer. I am hoping underneath his 'comfort zone' that we do not find too much Hollywood.

That said; I want a Repub winner and a good one. With Dems voting in radical Muslims; and Dems who serve radical Muslims; and with the threat of empowerment of the radical Left over our Country. . .we must win this election.

43 posted on 06/25/2007 2:28:06 PM PDT by cricket
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Well then I guess that we can’t vote for Fred. Church of Christ think that they are the true church.

Then there are the Catholic’s, they think that they are the true church.

McCain thinks that he is God, so he is out.

Huckabee is the only Baptist, so I guess we Baptist) are expected to vote for him.


44 posted on 06/25/2007 2:41:06 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: TheSuaveOne

Fred Phelps is NOT a member of a Southern Baptist Church!


45 posted on 06/25/2007 2:45:55 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: cricket
Trust him or not. . .like his hair - or not; believe there are a great many people who take issue with his Faith. So. . .they can excite themselves witih a thrice married or twice married or whatever candidate who gives lip service to a Christian Faith.

Wow! So we have a multiple-choice selection of a multiple-wife candidate vs. a multiple-god candidate like Mitt, eh? (And since the Bible talks about the true church being married to Jesus...see 2 Cor. 11:2; Eph. 5; Rev. 19-21 & other passages...and LDS believe that spouses are forever...I guess Mitt will be two-timing only in the celestial kingdom, eh?...Not this side of the veil)

46 posted on 06/25/2007 2:53:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: cricket

There aren’t enough Mormons in Massachusetts to compose a large staff, but the fact is, alot of Mormons see Romney the way we Catholics saw Kennedy, the way the Baptists saw Carter in ‘76. In many parts of the country, you’ll find that what Mormons there are suddenly gravitate to his staff. It’s just the way identity politics works.


47 posted on 06/25/2007 2:54:56 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Ok, it is my opinion that he believes in dominionism.

Your opinion means nothing, let's have some facts.

48 posted on 06/25/2007 3:31:52 PM PDT by xJones
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To: TheSuaveOne
Baptists spend too much time worrying about other people and what they are doing.

And you spend too much time worrying about Baptists. There's a real world out there, go take a look.

49 posted on 06/25/2007 3:34:29 PM PDT by xJones
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To: AzaleaCity5691; Reaganesque

Not necessarily. Romney is running for President, not Preacher. Evangelicals are smart enough to know the difference.


50 posted on 06/25/2007 5:22:00 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Open borders and outsourcing are opposite sides of the same coin)
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