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Creationism makes a comeback in US
abc news ^ | Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:24am AEST | Mark Simkin

Posted on 06/25/2007 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alien Syndrome

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To: Coyoteman

One of the recent bird/dinosaur fossils was found to be
a hoax...even National Geographic magazine ran with it
for a while, then had to retract their statements. I
think this was in the late 90’s or early 2000’s.
Some of the drawings of Ernst Haeckel(sp?) in his famous series
of the embryological development of different species
were found to have been falsified. Even as early as 1972
my textbook on embryology recognized that the drawings
left much to be desired. I think one can remember the
phrase “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”...I don’t
think that concept and it’s proof(the drawings) are taught
anymore, cause later research has shown that there are
great differences if the embryos of different species
at the same “stage”, and the drawings were glossed over
to make the theory of “orp” seem true.
Not that it really matters, but that’s a total of three
...can anyone remember any more off the top of their head?


101 posted on 06/25/2007 9:09:21 PM PDT by Getready (Truth and wisdom are more elusive, and valuable, than gold and diamonds)
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To: Getready
One of the recent bird/dinosaur fossils was found to be a hoax...even National Geographic magazine ran with it for a while, then had to retract their statements. I think this was in the late 90’s or early 2000’s. Some of the drawings of Ernst Haeckel(sp?) in his famous series of the embryological development of different species were found to have been falsified. Even as early as 1972 my textbook on embryology recognized that the drawings left much to be desired. I think one can remember the phrase “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny”...I don’t think that concept and it’s proof(the drawings) are taught anymore, cause later research has shown that there are great differences if the embryos of different species at the same “stage”, and the drawings were glossed over to make the theory of “orp” seem true. Not that it really matters, but that’s a total of three ...can anyone remember any more off the top of their head?

So, you claimed there were hoaxes all over the place and you can't come up with more then two?

But what about that Chinese "hoax"? That was a fraud by a local Chinese fellow trying for a few extra bucks for his fossil. That fooled National Geographic for a while, but scientists quickly sniffed out the fraud and exposed it. To try and claim that as a "hoax" by evolutionary scientists is absolutely incorrect. It was scientists who detected the fraud.

As for Haeckel, here is what appears to be a straight story. Make as much hay of that as you want.

Lets have all the rest of the hoaxes! Bring them on (if you can).

102 posted on 06/25/2007 9:19:32 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Alien Syndrome
I more than supported the need for competent science in the class room.

How do you define "competent science?" Is it only that which is explicitly stated in the Bible?

Can we retain the current model of the universe, or do we have to go back to Ptolemy's epicycles? Do we have to reject the Apollo missions, the Martian Rovers, all the numerous probes that have supposedly been sent out to study the solar system? The Bible says all that stuff out there is just lights - how can men or machines land on and study a speck of light? All that space stuff must just be a hoax, right?

A few weeks back there was a poster on another thread who stated that scientists can't prove the Sun converts hydrogen to helium by means of nuclear fusion, because no one has landed on the Sun and brought back a sample. (Link). His rejoinder was that the current knowledge of the Sun was "a figment of some eggheaded geek's hypothesizing about crap imagined do (sic) to his lack of testosterone." Does that fit your definition of "competent science"?

And that's just basic astronomy and stellar mechanics. I haven't even mentioned fields like chemistry, classical and modern physics, medicine, etc. Is it "competent science" to condemn modern medicine as a tool of Satan, as has been done by some posters here? Maybe we should just go back to drilling holes in peoples' heads to let the evil spirits out. Hey, that's how it was done in the Dark Ages.

103 posted on 06/25/2007 9:25:23 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: Getready; DaveLoneRanger

There was one I just saw on FR recently, I think within the last week or so. Some guy in England? Maybe Dave knows. I think it was an article he pinged.


104 posted on 06/25/2007 9:27:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

I’d pay $12 to see that movie.


105 posted on 06/25/2007 9:28:13 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Alien Syndrome
Perhaps in time the evolutionist will realize the damage that they caused to our country by promoting atheism and its philosophy of “do what ever you want, no matter what the harm is done by it”. I only hope that it won’t be too late.

If evolutionists are doing so much damage to this country, why wait around for some future awakening that may never even happen in the first place? The longer you wait, the more damage they do to this country, right? Sounds to me like you believe they need to be silenced, one way or another, and sooner rather than later.

106 posted on 06/25/2007 9:32:25 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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Darwins Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side Is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate Science and Its Limits: The Natural Sciences in Christian Perspective
Darwin's Black Box:
The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution

by Michael J. Behe
hardcover
Molecular Machines: Experimental Support for the Design Inference
The Battle of Beginnings:
Why Neither Side Is Winning
the Creation-Evolution Debate

by Delvin Lee "Del" Ratzsch
Science and Its Limits:
The Natural Sciences in Christian Perspective

Del Ratzsch


107 posted on 06/25/2007 10:14:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 23, 2007.)
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To: popdonnelly
If God created everything, why couldn’t God create evolution?

      Oh, He could have.  But if He did, He lied about it.  On the other hand, is He not capable of creating everything exactly as He said He did?

108 posted on 06/25/2007 10:22:29 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: metmom; Admin Moderator

The Darwin gang from the antifreeper site are here again showing their classy act. Check out the keywords. Their collective IQ is about a 4


109 posted on 06/25/2007 10:25:49 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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110 posted on 06/25/2007 10:41:17 PM PDT by csense
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To: Alien Syndrome
"What I found was all those little questions I had as an evolutionist had answers, and pretty logical answers as I looked at it."

Well that's his problem right there. You don't use evolution to answer geology questions silly!
111 posted on 06/25/2007 10:48:03 PM PDT by ndt
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To: Coyoteman

Biblical creation fact:
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


112 posted on 06/26/2007 12:00:19 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: 1000 silverlings
KEYWORDS: creationism; creationuts; cretards; crevo; dlrcravescock; evolution; freetards; fsmdidit; grandcanyon; metmomisabitch; metmomisacunt; tehstupidburns; theoidiots; truth; Click to Add Keyword

There's absolutely no excuse for using such personal insults. I''ve come to know this person through personal emails, and she is a very fine person indeed.

If someone doesn't agree with another poster's point of view, then take it up on the debating floor.

This however, is simply childish, and not worthy of someone who calls themself an adult...least of all an educated adult.

113 posted on 06/26/2007 1:30:39 AM PDT by csense
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To: RightWingAtheist

I wouldn’t know, I only look at the pretty pictures.


114 posted on 06/26/2007 4:55:17 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.)
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To: Alien Syndrome
Now it is time to get some competent science in the classroom instead of just evolution

Creationism isn't science any more than astrology is science.

115 posted on 06/26/2007 4:57:29 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Posts like yours just make me cringe.

The various scientific theories for evolution are explained in the science classroom. And I might point out that science is taught not as an absolute unlike your religion. Scientists continually run experiments and look at observations to either confirm our hypothesiss or disprove the scientific theory.

Creationism can be taught in the school and scientists such as me won't complain. However, it must be taught in the philosphy or religious classroom and not the sceince classroom since ID/creationism make initial absolute conclusions prior to running any expernments.

116 posted on 06/26/2007 5:07:23 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: hawkaw

In a sense creationism is like global warming. They’re both religion. They both totally ignore the scientific method of fitting your conclusion to the observations, but rather they start with the conclusion, and work backward ignoring or trying to discredit any facts that don’t fit with ther belief. Neither one can stand up to the light or reason. Their supporters try to shout down the opposition frequently insulting those who disagree with them. And above all they’re both wrong.


117 posted on 06/26/2007 5:13:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: 1000 silverlings

That much? I’ve come to expect that sort of thing from DC from what I’ve seen on my forays there. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised to see it spill over here.

I guess that’s what being a highly educated scientist type does to you?


118 posted on 06/26/2007 5:16:16 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: from occupied ga
In a sense creationism is like global warming. They’re both religion. They both totally ignore the scientific method of fitting your conclusion to the observations, but rather they start with the conclusion, and work backward ignoring or trying to discredit any facts that don’t fit with ther belief. Neither one can stand up to the light or reason. Their supporters try to shout down the opposition frequently insulting those who disagree with them. And above all they’re both wrong.

How can it be determined that creationism is wrong using a system that is always self-correcting, meaning that what was previously taught was wrong? How can you use something that's wrong, or you're never sure is right, to disprove something else? The only way to demonstrate something is wrong, is to use something that is true or right. Since we've been told that science isn't about truth, then there must be something else. What is it?

119 posted on 06/26/2007 5:20:51 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BipolarBob
Stupid Statement Indeed when one cannot post to the right person. Here's your sign.

Hey Compadre, it was intended for you. You did post #2 didn't you? Or was it the other BipolarBob.

120 posted on 06/26/2007 5:20:52 AM PDT by D Rider
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