Skip to comments.Creationism makes a comeback in US
Posted on 06/25/2007 5:55:14 PM PDT by Alien Syndrome
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They are all equally true to their respective true believers.
So what makes you think your beliefs are more "true" than those of the 4,000 other extant world religions? And what is your evidence?
Not opinion, not revelation, not scripture, not belief, but verifiable evidence! (And you folks criticize the theory of evolution for "lacking evidence"!)
A lot of us in the 57 percent are among the faithful who believe God created the universe over a slightly longer period of time. (A day is as a thousand years, etc.)
Why axe why?
Try Bud Dry!
Cerially even a broken watch tells the correct time twice a day. Serial liars will often tell the truth, to give themselves credibilty! Is-Slime is from satan! It is an affront to mankind and all of Gods creation! What good has come from the mohamicidals?
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. --Albert Einstein
You made the statement:
The facts of evolution, however, come from an assortment of inaccurate date testing, hoaxes and outright lies.I called you on that statement. Don't you think you are under some obligation to support your statement?
For example, can you name five hoaxes in evolution? I'll give you a hint: Piltdown Man was a hoax. Now all you need is four! Are you up to it? There are 150 years of fossils, so from your statement it should be easy, right?
Find four more genuine hoaxes and we can go from there.
Making a comeback? Since when did it ever go away? Them saying so didn't make it happen. They're really just horrified to find out they were wrong.
Where do they get off thinking they can make demands like that? Do they own the park? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the books. Mind control police.
So what makes you think your beliefs are more "true" than those of the 4,000 other extant world religions? And what is your evidence?That would get into matters of faith, theology and so forth, and you have shown naught but utter contempt for the Christian faith.
Not opinion, not revelation, not scripture, not belief, but verifiable evidence! (And you folks criticize the theory of evolution for "lacking evidence"!)You're committing the same fallacy as those who sneer that evolution has no evidence either. As has been explained before, the evidence is the same, and is more in line with creation than evolution. We don't have "creationist evidence" and "evolutionist evidence." We have different perspectives on the same evidence.
You are the one came here promoting evolution, the burden of proof is on you. I more than supported the need for competent science in the class room.
And if you want more hoaxes Ill give you more than you asked for (keep in mind that this is only the beginning of the deceit of evolution): Neanderthal man, carbon 14 dating, sediment layers, dinosaurs and humans living in different time periods, Lucy.
I am all ears. Please enlighten me. Please pick one of those topics and show me where it is a hoax.
(Please pick Carbon-14 dating, as that is one of my primary fields of expertise. Oh, please pick that field!)
I think the article meant that creationism has finally gotten past the tyrannical hold the Darwin movement had on the school system, not that it has gone away.
There was a beginning supported by the Big Bang Theory and Einsteins equations and Hubbles observations.
Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void,...
Supported by the solar nebula theory and the proto earth.
Gen 1:20 Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures,
Scientists say that life arose in the seas.
Gen 1:24 Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind...
Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
Shaped from clay [origin of life]
Scientists have concluded that clay was necessary for the formation of life.
Eccles 1:6 Blowing toward the south, Then turning toward the north, The wind continues swirling along; And on its circular courses the wind returns.
Scripture describes the circulating system of winds.
Eccles 1:7 All the rivers flow into the sea, Yet the sea is not full. To the place where the rivers flow, There they flow again.
The Bible also describes the water cycle.
Lev 17:10 - 12 `And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. `For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, `No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.
Blood is necessary for life. The life is in the blood.
Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Job 9 5, 8 It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 8. Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea;
Expansion of the universe.
Col 1: 15- 17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritiesall things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
All things are being held together; gravitation, strong and weak nuclear forces, magnetism.
Science supporting teachings of the Bible. Remember which came first by some thousands of years.
Pretty good for a bunch of *ignorant goat herders*. Where do you suppose they learned all that?
Well, there is that nonsense about a global flood about 4350 years ago. And a tower of Babel leading to all extant languages shortly thereafter. Or are you forgetting those boo-boos?
No need to go over Carbon 14, you should already know how inaccurate it is, so Ill go over the others.
Neanderthal and Lucy have both been proven to be apes (Neanderthal was a gorilla and Lucy was a small chimpanzee).
Sediment layers have shown time and time again that fossils have been found in the wrong layer, with current animals showing up in the bottom and extinct animals at the upper layers.
And it is common knowledge that human footprints have been found along side dinosaur footprints, look it up.
And I have also noticed that you have shone no proof what so ever in support of evolution, typical.
Atheist have never been to keen on facts in any way (acknowledging them or using them).
Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. So you're going to ignore all the other scientific evidence that supports what the Bible has been teaching for thousands of years and focus on two events, although I fail to see what the Tower of Babel has to do with evolution and the earth's geologic history, that you claim have no evidence for?
Your saying the Flood didn't happen because there's no evidence for it is like saying junk DNA is *junk* because we don't know what it's for YET. There IS evidence of floods, by your own admission. Have you taken into account erosion, plate tectonics, the fact that the earth would NOT be covered uniformly with a thick layer of sediment due to currents, and that much of the sediment could be under the oceans, which cover the majority of the earth's surface?
Saying that there was no Biblical flood because you didn't find evidence at a date you expected is like a little kid plugging their ears and singing *I can't hear you.*
*Oh, it didn't happen at 4350? Too bad, I'm right, you're wrong.* You won't even consider any other dates. What are you afraid of? That you will find evidence there and it'll blow your world view to pieces, so you won't even look elsewhere?
Argue with these folks about the date and then get back to me:
The date of the global flood:
2252 BC -- layevangelism.com
2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).
2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.
2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com
2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html
2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel
2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html
3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html
3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)
One of our friends has taught creationism/ID in a local school for years now. It’s a small rural school and he’s done a great job. He speaks in different places regarding ID and he is an amazing lecturer and teacher. He never fails to amaze me.
Sorry, that happens not to be the case.* I do not "know how inaccurate it is" and neither do you.
If you have any evidence for "how inaccurate it is" lets see it. But you should beware of the creationist websites on this subject. They are doing apologetics, not science, and they are riddled with errors, misstatements, faulty research, and other examples of creation "science."
* We are discouraged from using the word "lie" on this site, so I use this phrase instead.
The last chapters of Job, around 38 and on, are fascinating commentaries about God creating the world and putting the foundations in place, etc. It’s one of my very favorite parts of the Bible.
I don’t think they’re boo boos. Almost all religions talk about the flood. Must be SOMETHING to it if they all feature it in their scriptures. And who says the Tower of Babel isn’t true????
Stupid Statement Indeed when one cannot post to the right person. Here's your sign.
“Hope???” If you mean you hope we all go back to the days when we all sat in caves and died of disease before we turned thirty, by all means do so, because the whole world would be better off without you, but don’t force the rest of us to believe your retarded fairy tales.
Once again you have ignored request for proof for evolution. No matter, time will vindicate the faithful like it has time and time again, all this despite the fact so many avoid providing any evidence to support their view point.
Perhaps in time the evolutionist will realize the damage that they caused to our country by promoting atheism and its philosophy of do what ever you want, no matter what the harm is done by it. I only hope that it wont be too late.
Mine too. Job offers such insight to Gods methods.
try reading Gigamesh at Hammurabi. There’s a secondary source for the flood story.
Its statements like that and the multitude of selfish action that are the reason that atheists arent taken very seriously. Insulting others faith is not a good way to earn friends.
Thank you for validating my point.
Why should he have anything but contempt for the Christian faith when babbling idiots like you set themselves up as representatives of an entire religion? I’m just glad most Christians are complete nitwits like you.
All those sources are not Scripture.
Show me a verse in the Bible that tells me when the earth was created and when the Flood happened.
Since when did all those religious people suddenly get such credibility with you? You blow them off every chance you get and all of a sudden, they’re spot on when it suits your purpose?
The biology teacher in our local high school does much the same. He said that creation and ID come up every year so he just plans on addressing it anyway. They spend about 3- 5 days on it altogether.
Well your local biology teacher is as much of a moron as you are, then.
Try coyoteman. He seems to be the resident creation account guy. Leastwise, he’s done the most posting of them.
Do you mean the Epic of Gilgamesh? I don’t think that validates the claim that “Almost all religions talk about the flood.”
Oh wow. b&.
Complaint filed. You’re making a bad name for the rest of us.
Nice try at subject change. You were about to regale me with the problems with Carbon-14 dating, but got sidetracked somehow. What, can't you find any problems? You seemed pretty postive there were some a couple dozen posts back.
If there was a global flood, there must be evidence for it. The sources I cited provided dates for a global flood. If there is a specific date, then I can search the geological or sedimentological/archaeological/historical record and see what shows up.
If you think these sources are wrong, what do you suggest for the date for a global flood, and what is your evidence?
That one got you banned. Buh bye.
From memory, Mt St. Helens proved:
1. The melting snow caused a flash flood that carved a canyon overnight, far short of the expected millions of years.
2. Spirit Lake was filled with dead trees, that over time became water logged and began to pop upright with their uprooted trunks catching the shore, the settling ash in the water encased the trees were they ran aground in the lake bed and started the process for a petrified forest.
3. Mt St Helens deposited its own 25 ft layer of strata that scientists would never guess could have occurred over night.
Technically you’re “story” is just about the creation of
man and woman. I am not sure it would qualify as a
full creation story, but just a part. The Gilgamesh
story is a bit more complete.
We’ve been there before. Any date will do.
Still, lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. The further back in time you go, the less likely evidence would have survived intact, but you knew that.
Islam is based on Judaism, and has some Christian elements
in it....Islamasists believe Jesus existed, was a great
prophet, but did not rise from the dead after his
crucifixion to complete his work of saving mankind.
They believe Moses was a great prophet also.
They believe that Muhammad was THE great prophet, and value
his words and beliefs greater than they do Jesus and/or
Moses. Why would you expect their creation account to be much
Other geologic processes do not progress at the previously thought slower rate. When efforts were made to recover the Lost Squadron, the searchers thought they would only have a few inches of snow and ice to deal with. Instead it was 268 FEET of ice.