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Immigration Dispute Roils Conservative Radio
Crosswalk.com ^ | 6/26/07 | Matt Purple

Posted on 06/26/2007 10:55:31 AM PDT by hardback

Immigration Dispute Roils Conservative Radio Matt Purple Correspondent- President Bush's immigration bill has created a rift between right-wing talk radio and Republican politicians that threatens to rupture the conservative coalition, according to a nationally syndicated radio host.

"If [the bill] is jammed through before, ironically, Independence Day, I think we will have been witnesses ... to the end of the old conservative coalition," Laura Ingraham said on Monday. "I truly believe that it is over if this happens, and it's time to rebuild and restart."

Conservative radio has been dominated by outrage over the immigration issue. The Project for Excellence in Journalism ranked immigration as the top topic on talk radio and cable news during the week of June 10-15. It was only the second time this year that the issue had been rated number one, although immigration has consistently been listed in the top five since the current bill was announced on May 17, according to the PEJ rankings.

Although criticism on conservative talk radio is traditionally aimed at Democrats, the immigration issue has put many Republicans in the crosshairs of hosts such as Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, who argue that the bill being debated in the Senate amounts to amnesty.

"We stand up for our principles regardless of any party affiliation," Hannity said on his nationally-syndicated radio show.

Ingraham told Cybercast News Service that immigration has struck a chord with conservatives because the issue "affects our culture, our health care, our schools, our economy, and our national security. How many other issues can you say that about?"

Michael Harrison, the editor of Talkers Magazine, agreed, calling immigration "a very serious hot-button issue in America" that "applies to so many parts of our economy and sociology."

"As a result, when it's presented within the medium of talk radio, which is passionate and dramatic and compelling, it gets serious reaction," he told Cybercast News Service.

Talk radio criticism of Republicans escalated after Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss) critized the medium's role in opposing the legislation. "Talk radio is running America," Lott said. "We have to deal with that problem."

Conservative hosts from Limbaugh to Neal Boortz criticized Lott's remark and wondered on-air whether Lott intended to silence conservative radio. Michael Savage accused the Republican senator of using Nazi tactics against the bill's critics.

Ingraham said Lott's comments were a thinly veiled attack on millions of Americans who had put him in office and had defended him on many issues.

"His attack was an attack not on talk radio hosts, but really on the people who listen," she said. "Talk radio is nothing without our millions of listeners."

Glenn Beck made a similar point on his nationally syndicated radio show.

"Trent Lott the other day said that talk radio is ruling the country," he told his listeners. "You know what that means? It means that you rule the country.

"This is the media source that is the closest to the people," Beck added. "[Radio] is the only national media source that I'm aware of in which you influence what's going on, where you have your voice heard."

Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) defended Lott and echoed his criticism of conservative talk radio. Graham suggested that critics of the immigration bill were motivated by racism, saying on ABC News, "We've been down this road before -- 'no Catholics,' 'no Jews,' 'Irish need not apply.'"

Ingraham dismissed such criticisms and accused senators like Graham of pandering, rather than enforcing the law. "They sure seem to be more interested in being liked than doing what's right," she said.

Political fallout

If President Bush continues to back the legislation (and he shows no sign of doing anything else), many analysts believe that there could be political consequences.

According to a recent ABC News/Washington Post poll, 45 percent of self-identified Republicans approve of how the president is handling immigration, a 16-point drop since April. Of self-identified conservatives, 35 percent of respondents approved, a decrease of 13 points.

Larry Sabato, head of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, told Cybercast News Service the immigration controversy shows that the Republican party is not always the perfect home for conservative interests.

Nonetheless, he said, "Bush's bet is that, in the end, conservatives will rally to him on other things they have in common, especially as partisanship increases in an election year.

"That's likely true, Sabato said, "but it is a gamble."

Sabato contended that the Hispanic vote played a key role in Bush's support for the bill, noting that the GOP will need at least 40 percent of Hispanic voters' support to continue winning elections.

"The political calculus is obvious -- Hispanic votes versus conservative votes," Sabato said.

But Scott McLean, chair of the political science department at Quinnipiac University, argued that the Republicans already have lost the Hispanic vote.

"It's over," he told Cybercast News Service. "They had a shot at that six or eight years ago, but given how they've voted in the last two elections, the Hispanics are really trending towards the Democrats."

According to Pew Research exit polls, Hispanics supported Democrats over Republicans in the Nov. 2006 election by 69-30 percent. By comparison, the Democrats won 58 percent of Hispanic votes in 2004, to 40 percent to the GOP.

McLean said Republicans who support the immigration bill do so out of conviction, rather than politics.

"Bush sees the clock is pushing on getting some kind of landmark legislation through, and I think he really believes that it's good for the country," he said. "And it's really his last chance to get this done."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
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1 posted on 06/26/2007 10:55:33 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

Talk radio listens to us.

The GOP, President and the Senate don’t.

This ain’t rocket science. Time to flush the incumbents.


2 posted on 06/26/2007 10:59:10 AM PDT by xDGx
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To: hardback
Nonetheless, he said, "Bush's bet is that, in the end, conservatives will rally to him on other things they have in common, especially as partisanship increases in an election year.

Jorge can kiss my brownie, but there will be only support for him carting his sorry ass to texas.

3 posted on 06/26/2007 10:59:57 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: hardback

bttt


4 posted on 06/26/2007 11:00:02 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: xDGx

Ditto that.


5 posted on 06/26/2007 11:00:31 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("Religious liberty might be supposed to mean that everybody is free to discuss religion. In practice)
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To: hardback
The government has no business saying what or what's not on the airwaves. In fact, they should not be involved at all and there should be no FCC in the first place. The market should decide who sinks or swims.

The airwave are the property of the public. Not the government.

6 posted on 06/26/2007 11:02:05 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (I believe that's my stapler....)
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To: xDGx

Or flush Chester Lott down the toilet.


7 posted on 06/26/2007 11:02:12 AM PDT by hardback
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To: org.whodat

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!


8 posted on 06/26/2007 11:03:31 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: xDGx
This is the worst case of Potomac fever I've ever encountered.

Graham suggested that critics of the immigration bill were motivated by racism, saying on ABC News, "We've been down this road before -- 'no Catholics,' 'no Jews,' 'Irish need not apply.'"

The poor victim has even forgotten the number one rule of politics: don't insult your voters.

9 posted on 06/26/2007 11:04:01 AM PDT by DManA
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To: hardback

The “I’m tired of being a Senator and want to run an automobile dealership” Bill.


10 posted on 06/26/2007 11:04:11 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: hardback

If just one Bill can truly split any party, then that party wasn’t very good anyway. Maybe it is time to rebuild. Again, anyone that votes for this Bill should be recalled.


11 posted on 06/26/2007 11:05:49 AM PDT by RC2
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To: hardback
"that threatens to RUPTURE the conservative movement".

Hogwash.

"That threatens to UNITED the conservative movement" is MORE LIKE IT.

12 posted on 06/26/2007 11:06:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (AMERICAN-IN-TOKYO: "Now An Official Supporter of DUNCAN HUNTER for President, As Of 21 June 2007")
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To: org.whodat

Yeah, that quote popped out at me, too. That’s just not going to work this time. It’s possible to permanently screw things up, and Bush is not getting it.


13 posted on 06/26/2007 11:06:56 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: AmericanInTokyo

UNITED= UNITE


14 posted on 06/26/2007 11:07:21 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (AMERICAN-IN-TOKYO: "Now An Official Supporter of DUNCAN HUNTER for President, As Of 21 June 2007")
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To: hardback
Ok, so lets start DOING something.

1) Make a targeted list of RINOs that supported this legislation
2) Identify the states that make it easy for a recall election
3) Start a series of recall elections against 4 or 5 of these traitors
4) Put the word out about the recall election to the grass roots via conservative radio

15 posted on 06/26/2007 11:07:39 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: hardback

Rush and Co. are giving their audience what they want, a fatalistic crying jag orgy.


16 posted on 06/26/2007 11:08:35 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: hardback

I called traitor SEN Richard Burr R-NC office to complain about his cloture vote and, SURPRISE ! SURPRISE!, the voice mail is full and no one is answering the phone at MIDDAY !!!


17 posted on 06/26/2007 11:09:32 AM PDT by ulm1 (target RINOs for defeat Mcain,Martinez,Snowe,Collins,Lott,Hagel,Voinovich,Smith,Specter,Gram)
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To: org.whodat
He had better not count on it. I think they all believe we will support them because we don’t like the demoncrats.

I figure, if anyone is going to destroy this country better the demoncrats than the Republicans.

I will NOT vote for an incumbent PERIOD.

18 posted on 06/26/2007 11:09:40 AM PDT by BMC1 (If the Hildabeast becomes Pres in 08, we can work for impeachment. First Bill then her.)
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To: taxcontrol
Recall elections are hard to pull off. We tried to recall McCain once before and it didn’t succeed. The best thing to do is to find a conservative who won’t stab us in the back to run against the turncoats.
19 posted on 06/26/2007 11:12:12 AM PDT by BMC1 (If the Hildabeast becomes Pres in 08, we can work for impeachment. First Bill then her.)
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To: xDGx

Could not have said it any better. I could not be more disappointed in President Bush and the RINOs in the senate. They are betraying us and laughing about it. The GOP will pay for its arrogance.


20 posted on 06/26/2007 11:12:35 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: org.whodat
Still, someday, he'll be down there in Crawford TX and the Secret Service will be in town picking up more beer and tacos, and the new illegals from formerly Shining Path dominated parts of Peru will be creeping through the grass, and then that will be the end of "W" and his landmark.

All this legislation is going to do is attract even more illegal aliens and terrorists to America and turn it into a third-world hellhole.

21 posted on 06/26/2007 11:12:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hardback

From this article it looks like the Republicans have already lost the Hispanic vote and will lose the conservative vote to boot. How do they even expect to have 20 Senators and 150 congressmen in the future? This bill is political suicide.


22 posted on 06/26/2007 11:17:33 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Dane

Could you explain the racial vote dynamic they keep talking about with this “hispanic vote” thing? thanks


23 posted on 06/26/2007 11:18:36 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: xDGx

Immigration bill advances in Senate

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago

The Senate voted Tuesday to jump-start a stalled immigration measure to legalize millions of unlawful immigrants.

President Bush said the bill offered a “historic opportunity for Congress to act,” and appeared optimistic about its passage by week’s end.

http://news.yahoo.com/


24 posted on 06/26/2007 11:19:10 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: hardback
"Bush's bet is that, in the end, conservatives will rally to him on other things they have in common, especially as partisanship increases in an election year.

"That's likely true, Sabato said, "but it is a gamble."

Bush 41 made the same bet when his advisor Lee Atwater famously advised on conservatives "where are they going to go?"

Bush 41 promptly alienated his conservative base and enough of them found somewhere to go, giving Ross Perot 19% of the national vote and Bush 41 was turned out of office.

26 posted on 06/26/2007 11:21:36 AM PDT by RJL
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To: junta
Could you explain the racial vote dynamic they keep talking about with this “hispanic vote” thing? thanks

Uh your constant and knee jerk attacks on the vast majority of hispanic immigrants who are for the most part doing honest and productive work(i.e building houses, washing dishes, etc.).

27 posted on 06/26/2007 11:22:58 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: BMC1

The point is not to WIN a recall election but to show the ire of the base to the party. If it is the GOP base that is pushing for a recall because of their support for this amnesty, then other GOP politicians will notice and start thinking about how much of a struggle it will be for their next primary vote.


29 posted on 06/26/2007 11:30:11 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: org.whodat
Jorge can kiss my brownie, but there will be only support for him carting his sorry ass to texas.

He's not wanted here.

The Bushes aren't Texans, actually. They're carpetbagging yankee scum from Maine.

30 posted on 06/26/2007 11:33:23 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: ulm1
I called traitor SEN Richard Burr R-NC office to complain about his cloture vote and, SURPRISE ! SURPRISE!, the voice mail is full and no one is answering the phone at MIDDAY !!!

Yep, Boxers and DiFi's phones are full too, big surprise. I sent them 5 emails each instead telling them what traitors they are to the country, along with the rest of the 64 senators who voted yes and our Rino president.

31 posted on 06/26/2007 11:34:52 AM PDT by calex59
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To: taxcontrol
OK, folks I found a web page with more details.

http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2007/06/senator-recall-voting/

Let get the drives going!
Is there a GOP party rep in each of the above states that is willing to lead a recall exercise?

Anyone willing to work with me to recall our Demorat Sen from Colorado who sponsored this turd?

32 posted on 06/26/2007 11:37:57 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: xDGx
Time to flush the incumbents.

The MSM and the dems expect that we will. They both expect that, on principle, Republicans will eject the bad guys from office.

Both the MSM and the dems know the dem party, with no principles, will keep all scalliwags with the letter D by their name.

33 posted on 06/26/2007 11:39:13 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Dane

They can do honest productive work in their countries of origin as well. I’m just wondering what the LaRaza vote means for my country that my anscestors built for me and my descendants (both sides pre-revolutionary war).


34 posted on 06/26/2007 11:42:27 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: saganite
These people have doomed the Republicans for a generation, maybe more.
I said this a few years ago, we are in a time of our history where the taxes will be lowest, the freedoms we enjoy will be at their peak, our prosperity will be at it’s highest and our government will be at it’s smallest.
Our kids will have to suffer through an era akin to the late 70’s for most of their lifetime because we’re not looking at a democrat majority but a socialist plurality in the near future.
35 posted on 06/26/2007 11:44:34 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: hardback
These people are constantly mentioning the "hispanic vote" and that Bush got 40 percent in 2000, and Reagan used to get a lot. What they don't explain is that Reagan got like 80 percent of the Cuban vote, and small minorities of the Mexican and Puerto Rican vote. Bush was working on the second generation of Cubans by the year 2000, so he got a smaller percent, but still a majority of them, while he would have gotten a minority of Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

Now, Bush is losing the conservative Cubans, and will continue to do poorly with the rest of the Hispanic vote. Plus, the Mexican vote now swamps the Cuban vote, because of all the illegals who are voting since the 1986 amnesty. Ask Bob Dornan about that. So the pipe dream of getting 40 percent of a monolithic "hispanic" vote if only we could just make them see we are on their side, is a total myth. Poor Mexicans will vote for Democrats, period, in percentages that will probably be around 80 percent and higher. This bill will be death for the GOP for at least 3 generations, until poor Mexicans become middle class Mexicans, and if that happens, the stupid party will look for central Africans or Kazakhis or someone like that to import.

36 posted on 06/26/2007 11:46:09 AM PDT by Defiant (W '04...........Cheney '07, Thompson/Hunter '08.)
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To: hardback

OK, here’s the real challenge. The Republican party is done, just like the Whigs in 1855. At the same time, there are many congenitally Democrat voters who share a great majority of traditional, American values with us and who feel sickened by the positions their socialist-in-all-but-name party has adopted. I take it as a given that very very many of us are going to walk away from the Republican Party after the next election (if not before). How do we attract the patriotic people in the Democrat base to leave their party and help us form something that can bring America back to what it’s supposed to be?


37 posted on 06/26/2007 11:46:24 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: Astronaut

Sam Wetback (sellout-KS) is toast.


38 posted on 06/26/2007 11:46:25 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: taxcontrol

You can’t recall a Senator or Representative. You can vote them out next time they are up, that’s all.


39 posted on 06/26/2007 11:48:07 AM PDT by Defiant (W '04...........Cheney '07, Thompson/Hunter '08.)
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To: Defiant

Perhaps in your state sir that may be true. However it is not the case in all states.


40 posted on 06/26/2007 11:54:07 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"That threatens to UNITED the conservative movement" is MORE LIKE IT.

Exactly!

Conservatives are united against this bill.

If Bush thinks he can team up with Kennedy and ram this bill down our throat and then come back later and talk about how bad the Democrats are, he has truly lost his mind.

41 posted on 06/26/2007 11:54:08 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: hardback

“....many analysts believe that there could be political consequences.”

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I’ve just returned from the county bored of the electeds office where I’ve tendered the severance of my affiliation with the Republican party.

Leaders of the GOP have worked hard to drive my affection from the party of Ronald Reagan, but alas, have succeeded most thoroughly to that end...

Congratulations.


42 posted on 06/26/2007 11:58:14 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

If Bush thinks, he has truly lost his mind.


43 posted on 06/26/2007 11:59:10 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: hardback
Graham suggested that critics of the immigration bill were motivated by racism, saying on ABC News, "We've been down this road before -- 'no Catholics,' 'no Jews,' 'Irish need not apply.'"

Again, here is another propaganda technique employed by aliberal, in this case a RINO.

Appendix 1 PSYOP Ops. Field Manual No. 33-1:

Obtain Disapproval Technique: This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. Thus, if a group which supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people also support it, the members of the group might decide to change their positions.

Lindsey and his cohorts have basically called all who appose the bill racists.

44 posted on 06/26/2007 11:59:43 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: junta

Please don’t feed the animals. :^)


45 posted on 06/26/2007 12:03:03 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: subterfuge

Dane is a flea, its just I think we need to start small and work up to rino wacking one step at a time. The LaRaza elite from DC should pay the price.


46 posted on 06/26/2007 12:13:20 PM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: hardback

Last night Glenn Beck said Bush was in bed with big business, who want the bill passed for cheap labor. Democrats think Latinos will vote for them and if the bill fails, are hoping it fails in the senate and not the house...where they hold the majority. Glenn also said Bush was planning to slip key provisions of the bill — if it fails — into other, urgently needed legislation, such as war funding. Talk about stabbed in the back.


48 posted on 06/26/2007 12:19:34 PM PDT by hershey
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To: hardback

Administration officials that believe this will win the Latino vote for the republicans are crazy.
Look how many black votes the President has won with his overt pandering since the No Child Left Behind act in his first year. He probably has actually lost black votes.

California used to be a Republican state before the 1986 Amnesty - now look how many Latinos vote republican there.

A little history:
Back in the day Republicans supported Hawaiian statehood because they believed the state would go republican.
Once Hawaii became a state the voters jumped solidly into the democrat camp where they have remained ever since.

The common people have a better feel for what will really happen when this bill is signed than all the President’s high priced republican Yes Men put together.


49 posted on 06/26/2007 12:21:00 PM PDT by BoneShaker
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To: junta

Agreed. I just wanted to make sure you knew about Dane. Flea. I like that!

Happy FReeping!


50 posted on 06/26/2007 12:21:13 PM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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