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DC-10 tanker makes emergency landing at SĒLA (Tanker 910)
Victorville Daily Press ^ | 6/25/07 | TATIANA PROPHET

Posted on 06/26/2007 12:05:20 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

A DC-10 firetanker that was fighting the White Fire near Tehachapi hit the treeline and recovered from severe turbulence, then made an emergency landing at its home base of Southern California Logistics Airport on Monday evening.

The wide-body jet, the first of its kind built to fight fires and the only one in operation, performed two drops where it did an “awesome job” on the fire, which was 9,100 acres Monday night, said Sean Dakin, fire information officer for state agency CAL FIRE.

With a 12,000-gallon capacity, it carries 10 times the amount of water or fire retardant as a standard S2T firefighting prop plane and has performed effectively on large-scale wildland fires, CAL FIRE officials have said.

On Monday, after helping out the 800 firefighters on the ground, the tanker started to have trouble near Bison Peak, south of Tehachapi, said Janet Upton of CAL FIRE.

“It encountered severe turbulence, which caused the aircraft to descend and strike several trees,” she said. “The flight crew was able to apply power and fly out of the turbulence, and they safely returned to their base at Victorville.”

Fire officials were standing by after the plane landed safely at SCLA at about 5:45 p.m.

There were no injuries to the crew or anyone on the ground, Upton said. The incident is under investigation, she added, which will include a complete structural examination of the aircraft.

A CAL FIRE team will be arriving today to look at the tanker, and the plane will be grounded until the investigation is completed, she said.

Rick Hatton, a partner with the plane’s co-developer, San Carlos-based Cargo Conversions LLC, told the Daily Press earlier in the day about the tanker’s activities on the White Fire.

After the emergency landing, Hatton did not want to comment.

“I have no information at this time,” he said.

The terrain at the White Fire is highly difficult to access, Dakin said.

“It’s a tough place to be, very steep,” he said.

About 50 structures were threatened, Dakin added, with some damaged but no information yet available. A team will be going in today to assess damage.

CAL FIRE recently hired the tanker exclusively for the next three years, at about $5 million per year — making the plane available for 122 days from June to October.

It has not yet been certified by the U.S. Forest Service, so on Forest Service lands, such as the site of the Angora Fire at Lake Tahoe, it is not authorized to fight fires.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; two; wildfire

1 posted on 06/26/2007 12:05:23 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl


2 posted on 06/26/2007 12:06:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

hitting the tops of trees?

Oh man,, I know they have to fly pretty low to make the runs but.. damn!


3 posted on 06/26/2007 12:06:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I bet the crew need clean shorts after that one.


4 posted on 06/26/2007 12:07:33 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: NormsRevenge

if it were such an emergency, I wonder why they didnt divert to Mojave which is far closer to the area than Victorville....


5 posted on 06/26/2007 12:09:27 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Close to San Carlos?


6 posted on 06/26/2007 12:16:14 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: BurbankKarl

I sooooo wish I could watch one of those suckers on a run! That has got to be awesome!


7 posted on 06/26/2007 12:18:14 PM PDT by T.Smith
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To: BurbankKarl

not sure,, probably the crew’s call.

sounds like they hit a strong downthrust and powered their way out of it, damn lucky regardless. I hope they release some pics of the plane..


8 posted on 06/26/2007 12:18:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Looking at the map, Victorville looks to be about 20 miles further than Mojave from the Tahoe neighborhood.

Unless they were in imminent danger of falling out of the sky, they probably figured landing at their home base would simplify things a lot.

9 posted on 06/26/2007 12:19:14 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Close to San Carlos?

San Carlos, CA? That's in the Bay Area on the Peninsula. This took place near Tehachapi in Kern County, 300 miles to the South.

10 posted on 06/26/2007 12:19:54 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: NormsRevenge

11 posted on 06/26/2007 12:21:29 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: DuncanWaring
Looking at the map, Victorville looks to be about 20 miles further than Mojave from the Tahoe neighborhood.

Tahoe? They were fighting the Tehachapi fire.

12 posted on 06/26/2007 12:21:32 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Talkin' major pucker moment on that flight.
13 posted on 06/26/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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To: BearCub

Cool! Thanks!


14 posted on 06/26/2007 12:22:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: BearCub

15 posted on 06/26/2007 12:23:28 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: ElkGroveDan

Oops ... “never mind”.


16 posted on 06/26/2007 12:24:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The GUb had cleared the use of the plane near Tahoe but they didn’t get there due to smoke in that area and ended up staying at the Tehachapi.

man, what a mess, the West is a tinder box.


17 posted on 06/26/2007 12:24:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: BearCub

18 posted on 06/26/2007 12:25:07 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: BurbankKarl

Could’ve been a number of considerations....
Runway weight restrictions? non-precision approach at Mojave? runway length? manned fire apparatus/station?

Mojave Max Runway Length: 9502 x 200
Victorville Max Runway Length: 15,050 ft. x 150 ft. precision instrument approach (ILS-Rwy 17/35) and a 9,138 ft. x 150 ft. runway (3/21)


19 posted on 06/26/2007 12:27:31 PM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Matzoh Balls /quite obscure, says Slim Gaillard
20 posted on 06/26/2007 12:33:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: azhenfud

Heck, even Edwards AFB would do in an emergency....

but you might get shot down on approach.


21 posted on 06/26/2007 12:33:34 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BearCub
Oops. Well it looks like they disable the pics if you hotlink them. Here's the link: http://www.gizmag.com/go/5891/gallery/
22 posted on 06/26/2007 12:34:13 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: BurbankKarl; Paleo Conservative
Good pics and specs at CALFIRE
23 posted on 06/26/2007 12:42:38 PM PDT by skeptoid (AA, UE, MBS (with clusters))
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To: BurbankKarl; Paleo Conservative
Good pics and specs at CALFIRE
24 posted on 06/26/2007 12:42:42 PM PDT by skeptoid (AA, UE, MBS (with clusters))
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To: BurbankKarl; Aeronaut
*ping* to the AvList - DC-10 Firefighter mishap

They need to change the mission profile; 'bomb' from altitude as a DC-10 doesn't handle turbulance like an S-2 Tracker. Maybe set up a B-52 bombsight as plenty of water would still hit the ground.

And...I don't understand this one at all: It has not yet been certified by the U.S. Forest Service, so...[for the Tahoe Angora] it is not authorized to fight fires.

How can it be certified to fight some fires, but not all???

&^%$#@ b'crats.....

25 posted on 06/26/2007 12:50:27 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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To: NormsRevenge

Not being aviation versed, what’s the guesstimate on the weight with a full load?


26 posted on 06/26/2007 1:01:06 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Westlander

what’s the guesstimate on the weight with a full load?

No idea, I hadn’t seen any specs myself, let me check around or someone may have seen them already and will post.


27 posted on 06/26/2007 1:02:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: Westlander

Here ya go..

http://www.fire.ca.gov/newsreleases_content/downloads/2006archive/DC10Facts.pdf

EXTERNAL TANKS:
Three separate external tanks mounted along the centerline which can hold 50 tons of water or retardant and are balanced with baffles to prevent shifting while in flight. The tanks’ ground clearance is approximately 15 inches above the tarmac. The tanks can be re-filled concurrently on the ramp in eight minutes.

DROP CAPABILITIES:
Tanker 910 can dump as much as 12,000 U.S. gallons of retardant in as little as eight seconds. Tanker 910 uses the computerized gravity-feed water dump system that is essentially a modified and scaled-up version of the system used by Erickson Air-Crane on its S-64 helicopter. The drop rate, controlled from the cockpit, is governed by the opening of the tank doors.

APPLICATIONS:
The 10 Tanker has maneuverability but is more geared for a large-scale drop, compared to the CDF’s S-2Ts aircraft which hold 1,200 gallons of water or retardant used for tighter surgical drops.


28 posted on 06/26/2007 1:06:55 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; ...

29 posted on 06/26/2007 1:07:41 PM PDT by Aeronaut (Hebrews 13:4)
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and a couple more pdfs from CAL FIRE

http://www.fire.ca.gov/newsreleases_content/downloads/2006archive/Tanker910factsheet.pdf

http://www.fire.ca.gov/about_content/downloads/Communique/W07/SuperTanker.pdf


30 posted on 06/26/2007 1:08:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: NormsRevenge

700,000 lbs. total theresabouts. Thanks.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/dc-10/tech.html


31 posted on 06/26/2007 1:39:18 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: BurbankKarl

Now those had to be some tense moments.


32 posted on 06/26/2007 2:07:06 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: BearCub

Why, there it is again.


33 posted on 06/26/2007 2:08:47 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
man, what a mess, the West is a tinder box.

And I'd like to thank all the Green Tree Huggers for making our forests into tinder boxes.

I flew home Sunday and saw the Tahoe fire - it was UNBELIEVABLY HUGE at 3pm PDT.

damn tree huggers

grumblegrumblegrumble

34 posted on 06/26/2007 3:30:39 PM PDT by agent_delta ( I AM ANYBODY!)
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To: BurbankKarl

I landed a mayday @ Castle AFB once.

And a friend landed his mayday @ Travis AFB.

It can be done.

It’s not pleasant.


35 posted on 06/26/2007 3:31:43 PM PDT by agent_delta ( I AM ANYBODY!)
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To: agent_delta

who makes the mayday is it a cessna or a beechcraft ?


36 posted on 06/26/2007 6:50:54 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: al baby

Piper

giggle


37 posted on 06/26/2007 7:17:29 PM PDT by agent_delta ( I AM ANYBODY!)
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To: Westlander

I work at the company at SCLA / VCV that maintains the 10 tanker. She’s a DCC-10-10, which puts full t/o weight at about 450,000lbs. They get pretty close to that with full tanks. Empty is close to 300,000. The reason 10 came to VCV instead of Mojave, or another closer airfield is that the tanker is based out of VCV. For the extra 20 miles, they could get back to their home base, with all the maintenance and repair facilities.


38 posted on 06/28/2007 7:32:28 PM PDT by syndrave
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To: syndrave

Thank you.


39 posted on 06/29/2007 6:39:33 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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