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Fight Illegal Immigration with Procreation
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 27, 2007 | Tristan Emmanuel

Posted on 06/28/2007 12:05:41 PM PDT by alexem

If politicians won’t find a way to deport illegals — then it is time for Americans who care to take matters into their own hands. By having lots of babies. Now, before you write this off as the delusion of a crack-pot, stop and listen; this is not about promoting racism. What this is, is a kind of “Gorism”; a call to "think globally and act locally" on the matter of population trends. Call it a “global-depopulation”.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aliens; anncoulter; demographics; gore; illegal; illegalimmigration; muslims; terrorism

1 posted on 06/28/2007 12:05:43 PM PDT by alexem
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To: alexem

The left want illegals because they have now realized their mistake in defending/allowing abortion for birth control.


2 posted on 06/28/2007 12:11:58 PM PDT by redlocks322
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To: alexem

I concur with your sentiments. But there are practical reasons why people in the West stopped reproducing themselves. The first is simply cost, it costs a lot to raise children in the West. It is far cheaper to raise children—lots of them—in the developing world, and children can even return an economic benefit when they move to the west and send money home. I wish the problem was simply that no one had ever told anyone to make babies before.


3 posted on 06/28/2007 12:15:06 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: redlocks322

The left want illegals because they have now realized their mistake in defending/allowing abortion for birth control.
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Understatement. These folks make rabbits seem like non-reproducers....


4 posted on 06/28/2007 12:15:39 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: alexem

Although I’m all for procreation, I have to say that I think there are more effective ways to take action against illegal immigration.

All a bunch more babies is going to do in the short term is drive up the demand for illegal nannies.


6 posted on 06/28/2007 12:18:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Have some hyperbolic rodomontade, and nothing worse will happen for the rest of the day!)
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To: alexem
Why only put a small section of the article??! Post the entire thing so people can read it and there is a record of the entire article here....

To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56402

Thursday, June 28, 2007

Fight illegal immigration with procreation

Posted: June 28, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Tristan Emmanuel
© 2007 

If politicians won't find a way to deport illegals, then it is time for Americans who care to take matters into their own hands. By having lots of babies.

Now, before you write this off as the delusion of a crackpot, stop and listen; this is not about promoting racism. What this is, is a kind of "Gorism"; a call to "think globally and act locally" on the matter of population trends.

Conservative estimates of the birthrate among the 12 million illegals in the U.S. sits at somewhere around 3.5 per couple, whereas America's rate is about 2.1 children per couple. Now, I know this figure is very difficult to substantiate because we are dealing with undocumented people; however, if that figure is correct – and it very likely is – America will be a very different place in the span of 20 short years."

Even if the present number of illegals remained static – if their extended family members were not given access to America through an amnesty bill and the steady stream of illegals crossing the border were stopped – 12 million illegals would radically invert the cultural hegemony of America.

The problem isn't just that they're coming over illegally; it is that these resident "aliens" are out-pacing Americans 3 to 1 in the reproduction department. That means the popular wisdom that says we'll have 50 million when this is all said-and-done is wrong. It will be more like 150 million.

Unless America is prepared to deport them all, the only way to compete is to have as many or more babies as them.

It sounds far-fetched I know, and frankly a little "rich," coming from a Canadian. After all, Canada has absolutely no credibility in this department, with a paltry 1.5 children per couple. The lack of anything even close to a "replacement rate" for the population has already sealed our fate. But honestly, unless America survives, Western democracy as a whole will be a matter of history.

Mark Steyn wrote about it in his book "America Alone" – and that one phrase literally is the most accurate way of expressing the crisis of our time.

The salient feature all around the West today is that Europe, Russia, Japan and Canada are literally running out of babies – meaning in the near future America is literally going to be ALONE.

Let me just add some statistical numbers to drive the point home. In Greece, the fertility rate is hovering just below 1.3 births per couple, Italy has a fertility rate of 1.2, Spain, 1.1; and in the Asian countries like Korea, China and Japan it is 1.2. And Russia? Well, let's just say Stalin would be proud.

And just to add a little angst to the scenario, Steyn says that if all things remain as they are now, by the year 2050, "60 percent of Italians will have no brothers, no sisters, no cousins, no aunts and no uncles."

Unless an act of God saves the birthplace of Roman Catholicism, those "pizones" who invented the cappuccino and sang opera like nobody's business won't be around to win another World Cup, which should make the Germans ecstatic – Oh, wait, they won't be around either – sorry – the Brazilians then.

America will have to shoulder the responsibility of being the only Western democracy left; at least the only one big enough to give the remaining "whites" a geographical location to call "home," and – here is the important part – a place relatively free from hostile cultures.

This raises another important point.

What does it mean to America when one of the fastest-growing populations on the planet is a group that, as Steyn puts it, isn't convinced that American civil liberties are a gift from God? And what do you think it'll mean for that traditional American demographic when the Latin American population explosion meets the Muslim population explosion on American soil, and traditional Americans are in the minority?

If you think racial tensions were bad in America's past, just wait until the dust settles on this score.

That is why, if you really care about this issue, you can't afford to wait for the politicians. You need to take matters into your own hands. You need babies. Lots and lots of babies – within the legitimate bonds of marriage, of course. (And while we are on the subject, isn't it about time that Ann Coulter got married and gave America a lot of little Anns?)

Think of it as patriotism in the flesh. It makes sense for Americans to have more babies to secure and perpetuate a free and stable America for the next generation. And there is this added benefit also – it is an act of global philanthropy, because we are depending on America to keep the West alive.

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Tristan Emmanuel, M.T.S., is the founder and president of ECP Centre – Equipping Christians for the Public-Square. He is the host of "No Apologies," a weekly web-radio show dedicated to illustrating the absurdity of political correctness, and he is the author of "Christophobia: The Real Reason Behind Hate Crime Legislation" and "Warned: Canada's Revolution Against Faith, Family and Freedom Threatens America." Emmanuel writes as a Christian cultural apologist, defending the need for advocating and living out a comprehensive cultural Christianity today.


7 posted on 06/28/2007 12:19:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: alexem

I write this BS as what it is... a crack pot idea.

Anyone “having lots of babies”, just for increasing the number of his ethnicity/religion/group is IMO an heartless idiot.

Babies are something sacred. Couples not willing to raise their kids in love shouldn’t procreate.

Children are not a numerical mass for socialist ideas of population and de-population.
They are individual human beings, and should be treated with utmost respect from the very beginning.


8 posted on 06/28/2007 12:20:03 PM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: SolidWood
What America needs is a 21st century equivalent of the Lebensborn program, albeit without the racial charachteristics of the program in Germany... Ban abortion, encourage large families, get the women to stay at home (free up jobs for more men in the long term--other than traditional jobs for women)....
9 posted on 06/28/2007 12:32:55 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Just say NO to Union Food (Kroger, etc) and say yes to Home Delivery..)
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To: SolidWood
That's the way it should be, of course, and I do agree with you. In theory.

But look at the Muslims: Raising sons as warriors, and acquainting them with guns, weapons, and ashura (look it up). We're raising our sons in government schools that forbid contact sports, dodgeball, 1" plastic toy guns, drawings of guns in crayon, playing soccer without keeping score, and large doses of Ritalin.

They're also pumpin' out babies (seemingly, again, "ashura" festival rites) without care, even without apparent love.

And they're spreading, expanding, and we're retreating, entrenching.

It's obvious who's winning.

There's a time to fight. That quote from Churchill about how it may be necessary to fight even when there's no hope, etc., comes to mind.

A grim future for our great-great-grandchildren.

Sauron

10 posted on 06/28/2007 12:37:38 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: alexem

Also, be sure to put the right date on any article you post...


11 posted on 06/28/2007 12:37:52 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: alexem

For public school graduates and others who can’t do math:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069&pr=goog-sl


12 posted on 06/28/2007 12:38:33 PM PDT by D.P.Roberts (Helping the less fortunate remain that way)
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To: Schwaeky
What America needs is a 21st century equivalent of the Lebensborn program,

Not just no, but HELL NO. No socialist, government-run child breeding.

What America needs are traditional (Christian) family values.

Fight illegal immigration by securing the borders and deporting the criminals. Fight Islamist networks in the USA by denying them visas and deporting them.

Let every couple have as many kids as THEY want to.

13 posted on 06/28/2007 12:38:44 PM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: alexem
The real chain of this issue is:

Abortion as a form of “birth control” (leads to) => Reduction in number of babies (in time leads to) => Reduction in number of young people entering the work force (leads to) => A smaller pool of people with entry-level skills (leads to) => Business attempting to fill entry-level jobs with anyone they can find (leads to) business pressuring government to look the other way when Mexicans and OTMs come here seeking these jobs (leads to) => These people getting all their friends and relatives to come and get in on a good thing while they can (leads to) => Chain migration (leads to) => A growing and in some areas a critical mass of Mexicans and OTMs who are emboldened to make demands on principle-free politicians who are looking for a new victim class to pander to (leads to) => Sanctuary cities (leads to) => Unwillingness to support enforcement of the border (leads to) => A bigger flood of Mexicans and OTMs (leads to) => Giving big business the idea that it suppress wages of blue-collar workers when the wink-and-nod employer enforcement almost gives a green light in some industries to openly use illegals with fraudulent documentation (leads to) => Business trade groups lobbying for a “comprehensive bill” that is really amnesty (leads to) => Deceptive and pandering proposals in Washington (leads to) => Destruction of our national identity and chaos.

(leads to) The US becoming just like Mexico

Note to Bush, the GOP and the Dems: If I wanted to live in Mexico, I would have moved there. I look to the officials who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution to not seek to allow Mexico to merge with the US without us being able to openly consider all the implications and for all of us to put this to a vote. Otherwise, this sure looks like slow-motion treason to me.

14 posted on 06/28/2007 12:42:42 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: redlocks322

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

15 posted on 06/28/2007 12:44:24 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: theBuckwheat
Let me quickly add that the root of this immigration mess lies in Roe v. Wade and the social and moral changes to society that the libertine lifestyle, supported by the welfare State, has brought us.
16 posted on 06/28/2007 12:44:53 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SolidWood

Sense when is suggesting that having more children in light of the coming demographic cris a “crack-pot” idea?

I love his line about Ann Coulter—ya really, when is she going to find mister right? Any suggestions men?


17 posted on 06/28/2007 12:45:47 PM PDT by alexem
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To: Star Traveler

Your right. Should have posted the entire piece. Hey someone should send this piece to Mark Steyn. This guy Tristan is either getting paid, or just plain generous. He’s given Mark Steyn a lot of pub...


18 posted on 06/28/2007 12:45:48 PM PDT by alexem
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To: alexem
"Now, before you write this off as the delusion of a crack-pot...",
19 posted on 06/28/2007 12:46:36 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: alexem
— then it is time for Americans who care to take matters into their own hands. By having lots of babies.

I would be willing to do my part by offering to provide stud service to Ann Coulter for her three+ children.

20 posted on 06/28/2007 12:47:35 PM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: alexem

Great idea-only problem-I am a middle income American. Unlike upper income Americans I can not afford any more children. And unlike the lower income Americans I can’t get the government to support them and provide them with a college education.


21 posted on 06/28/2007 12:49:55 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: Retired COB

Ann’s 45—you could still try, but I think she’s getting a little bit beyond having lots of little Anns.


22 posted on 06/28/2007 12:51:45 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: SolidWood
I think that a bunch of you are need some lessons in logic. Mr. Emmanuel’s article incorporates a bunch of “enthymemes”. Which means that he as left out a few premises that should be obvious to everyone—and they certainly were to me.

I think what Mr. Emmanual was assuming was that Christian families, or at least the 90 million or so Evangelicals and the other 90 million Roman Catholics are going to get serious about preserving the traditional American family for the future of America.

But again, I’m no mind reader, and I could be wrong.

However, if you care to do a background check on Mr. Emmanuel, you’ll discover he’s a sharp thinking Christian conservative in Canada who understand that there is a
a coming demographic crisis, and it simply does no good to “whine” about the problem of illegal immigration and then call him a crack-pot because he says one of the solutions is to have more babies. I mean really.

If your concerned, as I think you are then one of the issues that needs to be addressed is the self-centred anti-life philosophy of our culture. Lay the foundation for a better tomorrow and that has got to include having kids in good families.

Again, I could be wrong, but Emmanuel is no socialist. And wouldn’t dream of getting the State involved in promoting single parent factories to solve the problem — as one of you seems to suggest.

23 posted on 06/28/2007 1:02:10 PM PDT by alexem
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To: SolidWood

You mean we can’t have our cake and eat it, too?


24 posted on 06/28/2007 1:12:07 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: alexem
Now, before you write this off as the delusion of a crack-pot...

Damn...too late.
25 posted on 06/28/2007 1:19:56 PM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: alexem
Americans who care to take matters into their own hands. By having lots of babies.

Ummmmmm.

Never mind.

26 posted on 06/28/2007 1:26:04 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The Immigration Hoax: "Subject to the Availability of Appropriations.")
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To: alexem

Let me clear up the matter.

My socialism charge is directed against those calling for government to breed and raise the children, similar to various totalitarian systems.

My “crack pot” charge is directed against those who reduce children to “demographic weapons”. “Fight illegal immigration (or advance any other racial/political cause) by breeding kids” is an horribly un-Christian idea. Children are individuals, born and raised by individuals. They are not collectivist numbers.

As I said I am FOR having kids and it’s great for families to have many kids. I have myself 3 children.
But the point is that this should be encouraged by scaling back government interference, the welfare state and by letting the appeal of Judeo-Christianity have it’s effect on people.

When living in an traditional, caring community with strong values, couples will have children, which they will raise to be good individuals, and thereby preserving their kind.

I hope you get my position.


27 posted on 06/28/2007 1:29:12 PM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: HaveHadEnough

Ooo...so intelligent.

HaveHadEnough of thoughtful discussion, ya-al????


28 posted on 06/28/2007 1:40:26 PM PDT by alexem
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To: SolidWood
Sure I get your point. But your final point is precisely not what was being debated in the article. In fact, as I said, your final point is the same position I hold and I take it this fellow Tristan Emmanuel holds to as well; so, why the smarmy posts? I mean you raised issues that his article never even discussed -- like (socialism and state directed solutions). It was simply a short opinion piece about the need to have more kids given that your children and mine will have to face a world in which they will be the minority. It is up to us right now to determine what kind of minority they will be -- a small insignificant minority or a relatively large one that cannot easily be pushed around. T And frankly the pathetic ad hominims on this post makes me think that far too many "conservatives" have got the heads so far up their... that its our children that will suffer for our stupidity. Sorry about that rant. Demographics might not be everything but we cannot disregard it either.
29 posted on 06/28/2007 1:40:57 PM PDT by alexem
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To: alexem

And the government should give subsidies to 2 parent (male and female) families of citizens, except those from middle eastern jihad-sponsoring countries.


31 posted on 06/30/2007 4:26:31 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: alexem; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...

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32 posted on 07/01/2007 1:14:13 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: alexem

Umm! I have five. Can that be my quota?


33 posted on 07/01/2007 6:00:50 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: All

i better hurry up then, before my clock stops ticking! LOL ummm....small problem....how are we supposed to support the extras we didn’t think about supporting before? someone wanna help??? ::grin:: didn’t think so!


34 posted on 07/02/2007 7:50:01 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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