Posted on 06/28/2007 7:42:39 PM PDT by Pencil
Just before ten p.m. last Sunday night, a diabetic man in insulin shock was booted off an Amtrak train in the middle of a national forest.
According to Phoenix CBS Channel 5, 65-year-old Roosevelt Sims was headed to Los Angeles when Amtrak personnel, having assessed him as drunk and unruly, left him at an isolated railroad crossing in what a police officer described to the Phoenix media as "800,000 acres of beautiful pine trees." Sims' family had tried to call him on his cell phone that same night, but he was incoherent and, they report, in insulin shock.
When officers arrived at the crossing, Sims ran into the woods without his luggage or medication. The crossing is two miles from the nearest road and five miles from the nearest town. The altitude is 8000 feet. Sims' whereabouts is still unknown.
Amtrak must now be owned and operated by a major US airline.
How could they dump someone in the middle of a forest even if they thought he was drunk. If this guy dies, and he probably will. They should be up on manslaghter charges.
“The crossing is two miles from the nearest road ...”
One must ask, then, just what was the crossing crossing?
I can see how this could happen to an extent.
We had a fellow at an event that went into diabetic shock and I thought he was drunk as well. Thankfully one other fellow there was diabetic and recognized what was going on.
At any rate, AMTrack was negligent in throwing ANYONE out in the dead of wilderness
indeed.
defund
I suppose there's a lawyer out there fixing to try to do just that...
Another railroad.
It’s the way working class “males” are treated and reminds me of the way doctors treated me when I still went to them quite a few years ago. Most people are indoctrinated with the new romanticism/feminism. Under socialized medicine, it would be even worse.
Yeah, there’s gotta be more to this story (or maybe not, who knows?). I rode Amtrak for many years, and its procedure for booting someone from the train was to radio ahead and have the local gendarmes waiting at the next stop. They’d come aboard . . . you can guess the rest.
My guess is they called the police to pick him up.
I have a cousin who’s diabetic and when a diabetic is in insulin shock they can appear drunk and beligerent. They can also die rather quickly. The police and authorities should be trained to recognize the difference between intoxication and insulin shock or low blood sugar.
I smell a big lawsuit.
This is horrible, the man is sick and will probably die. Note to diabetics: Please wear your diabetic id bracelet and carry a note in your wallet or purse that you are a diabetic. A crashing diabetic cannot take care of himself and may well become combative and argumentative.
I sincerely pray the man is found alive. Amtrak should be ashamed of not having a plan to deal with an unruly person without kicking him out in the middle of nowhere.
“just what was the crossing crossing?”
———please don’t make me say a woodchuck’s chuck.
Shame on Amtrak. My sincere prayers for this mans safety, and his poor family. They must be going through hell right now.
“Railroad crossing,
Look out for cars,
Can you spell that...
Without getting kicked off the train?”
"Amtrak followed company policy Sunday night (6/24) when a passenger was escorted off Amtrak's Southwest Chief train #3 in Williams Junction, AZ, at a regularly scheduled station stop with a station platform and roadway access. Amtrak would never leave a person alone in a remote location under any circumstances. In this case, the conductor and the passenger waited on the platform with the passenger's luggage. Upon arrival of authorities, the passenger fled into nearby woods. The investigation is being handled by Williams PD."
Cell phone records show that Sims' phone was last used in Litchfield Park, Ariz., 180 miles from Williams.
Amtrak!...another money pit for taxpayers!
Amtrak is nothing but Aeroflot on rails.
One would hope but it's hard to square that idea with the factoid that the nearest road was two miles from where they dropped the dude off.
Maybe the police were expected to take the next train?
Better start looking for them too then, I suppose.
“When officers arrived at the crossing”
If he is still missing, how do they know he is/was in insulin shock?
It doesn’t matter. The guy was incapaciatated in the middle of nothing...they were completely negligent.
Had they followed this rule, this man would be ok. My guess is they didn’t want to wait around for the police-affect their schedule or something so they booted him off expecting him to call someone-disgraceful. The guy is probably dead.
The guy was a diabetic. Have you ever seen a person in insulin shock? Of course, I’m sure Amtrak is hoping they will not find his body, and they can claim he was drunk. But they still have liablility-leaving even a drunk in this situation would be negligent.
Unfortunately, this does not mean he was using the cell phone.
If those are the real facts you just noted, you can read the reported “facts” at the beginning of the thread and notice that they’re from a Diabetic’s Activist website, it seems , and then it’s easy to ascertain their agenda at so distorting the facts/
Now I’m wondering what happened to the entire “bring it on, I’ll bash their heads in” crowd that struts oh-so-proudly around every thread about belligerent passengers on airplanes.
I don’t know sounds like CYA for Amtrak.
UPDATED: 3:29 pm PDT June 29, 2007
..... has been found two miles from where he was dropped off, according to police in Williams.
Deputies said he was dehydrated and disoriented.
He was rushed to a Flagstaff hospital for emergency treatment, deputies said.
>> has been found two miles from where he was dropped off, according to police in Williams
Good news.
Here is another source...The Topeka Capital-Journal, Topeka, KS.
"Roosevelt Sims, 65, was incoherent when he was found Thursday night in a forested area within the Williams city limits, about a mile or two from the train stop."
Thank God. Now I am interested to hear the rest of this story. Amtraks version doesn’t make sense.
“The person was reported by our conductors to be unruly, disruptive and unwilling to take direction from the conductor to bring his behavior to a level that was not disruptive,” said Amtrak spokesman.
This says it all-he ticked of the conducter. He couldn’t have been that dangerous or they would have restrained him-not left one guy with him to wait for the police. People have no compassion for anyone anymore. It is sad. I bet the conducter is in big trouble. I still don’t think Amtrak’s story rings true.
The train waited, and the conductor waited for the police to arrive at the Amtrak stop. Mr Sims took off when he saw the police.
The fact here is that Williams Police gave a bogus interview to the Phoenix press, and have clammed up since.
This isnt a remote road crossing, it is a published Amtrak station stop.
The man is a dibetic. It hardly matters, but it doens’t sound urban to me. Also, I think the the police are hiding something here. It is possible thinking they had some drunk, they may have threatened him or hurt him in some way. The whole thing reeks.
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