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Scientists believe cats 'sort of domesticated themselves'
SignOnSanDiego.com ^ | June 29, 2007 | THE WASHINGTON POST

Posted on 06/29/2007 8:02:15 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

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To: Fawn
Neutering on a large scale is absurdly wasteful economically, You're kidding right? It's the best thing to do. Economically and morally.

How much does hunting down, capturing, and neutering cost? I'll grant that there are even more ridiculous ways to waste money (even confining the subject to the population control of animals), but it's positively absurd... just like capturing and sterilizing deer.

And morally? Only if you've decided that it is so and incorporated it into your moral code - most commonly by people that confuse "Bambi" with a real deer. Most animals place in life is to be torn apart and eaten. That we choose to amuse ourselves with a relationship with some of them is an exception, and our care on this account should be limited to those we have an actual relationship with. The "immoral" part of this is the support and over-regulation of harvesting of an invasive species, and the wasting of perfectly good protein. ...not that I have any good recipes.

If I have a pet, others shouldn't harm it, for in doing so, they harm me. For people to revel specifically in the pain and suffering of others, including animals, is problematic. ...but to freak out because every life-form in the universe isn't going to live a painless life and death is itself problematic. ...And this whole argument mirroring the "how can we bring a child into a world with war and poverty, and Nixon?" thing is just sophistry.

To quote myself: "Sophistry...it sounds like thinking." --lepton

101 posted on 06/29/2007 11:10:38 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Defiant
The dogs that survived were the ones who could not only get along with humans, but understand their behavior.

There's some evidence that humans have developed some special way of understanding dogs too...in other words, it goes both ways. Humans and dogs have been linked for a very long time, and dogs very distinctly incorporate humans into their pack structure.

102 posted on 06/29/2007 11:17:29 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: DogByte6RER

No doubt in my mind. The little felchers. I too am a dog person. My sister however, has 7 of the little boogers. On the counters, on the table. I try to be nice. I really do. Even pet the little varmints from time to time. Wouldn’t own one though. Just not my type of critter.


103 posted on 06/29/2007 11:23:01 AM PDT by LilyBean
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To: lepton

Not kosher; bound to be bad for you.


104 posted on 06/29/2007 12:03:32 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: LilyBean
The little felchers.

What you do with you're cat is your business!

But if you were trying to not use a bad word you just stumbled onto an even worse one. I recommend you not look it up.

105 posted on 06/29/2007 12:06:23 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: twigs
They sound beautiful!!!

Each one is unique with their own distinctive personality.

I grew up with dogs but I’ve grown to love cats too!

106 posted on 06/29/2007 12:09:15 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“For whatever reason, she is constantly putting it in her water bowl then the thing squeeks nonstop till it dries out.”

Both our cats do that! It drives me nuts. We have their food in the kitchen and it’s a hardwood floor. I’ll pass on redoing the floor. Debbie likes to “paddle” in the water. Thomas our orange tabby likes to drop toys in it. When Debbie “talks” to me which she does allot I call it “squeak talk”. We love them!


107 posted on 06/29/2007 12:11:57 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Spktyr

Back in the ‘50s, my dad told of a jeweler in town whose only security system was two territorial Persian cats, and they were very effective.


108 posted on 06/29/2007 12:14:14 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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To: billbears
Cats are little people in furry coats

Correction: cats are little tyrants in fur coats.

109 posted on 06/29/2007 12:40:57 PM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Nachum

If the cat comes back, keep it indoors.


110 posted on 06/29/2007 1:00:02 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Gaza: Your one-stop schadenfreude entertainment center.)
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To: nmh

My manx does the same thing. Toys, stuff, lizards, anything goes in the water. She also has to drink running water. When she has made a “kill” she puts it in my shoe then goes thru the house making this loud throaty cry.

My other cat is sorta dumb, so he has been trained to heel, come, jump over barriers, run in circles if I tell him to. He does all the basic obedience work. Including running into the wall when I tell him to. All I need is my laser light.

The manx has taught him the basics of opening drawers and doors. (put your paws under it and move it back and forth till the latch pops.) So I have to have child latches on the important stuff. Sigh....... She does understand the principle of door knobs and I have caught her standing on her hind legs with her paws on the knob trying to work it. So far no luck, but who knows.

I have been taught to sit, stay. Sometimes a cat just needs a lap. I do what I am told.


111 posted on 06/29/2007 1:04:35 PM PDT by Kay Syrah
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To: nmh

Our Luna sticks her paw in her water bowl and drags it around. Both of our cats has spilled their water so much that we had to buy a very heavy one that will stay put. She doesn’t have a normal meow either. I don’t know what to call it, although she rarely “speaks.”


112 posted on 06/29/2007 1:15:13 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Darksheare

Not only is this old news, we also know that cats are not really domesticated.


113 posted on 06/29/2007 1:16:28 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Fall seven times, stand up eight)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Dogs have masters, cats have staff!

LOL!

114 posted on 06/29/2007 1:29:37 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Not kosher; bound to be bad for you.

Hmmm. This makes me curious. Under which dietary law do cats fall?

115 posted on 06/29/2007 1:30:14 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: DogByte6RER

My cats see it as they have ‘catesticated’ me ... they are threfore I serve them.


116 posted on 06/29/2007 1:35:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: lepton

I only know one set, and that just barely. Clearly no hooves. Doesn’t chew cud. No thanks!

Half my employees got sick from eating crab/shrimp goop (that really smelled good) the other day -— I was golden.


117 posted on 06/29/2007 1:40:43 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Caramelgal

I lost my 15 year old Tabby to kidney failure Tuesday morning. He was with me through the most traumatic events I’ve had to face yet, I can tell you I miss that sweet little furry face running up to greet me when I come home!


118 posted on 06/29/2007 1:43:53 PM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Slings and Arrows; DogByte6RER

CATS RULE


119 posted on 06/29/2007 2:04:37 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Fall seven times, stand up eight)
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To: MissEdie
Oh, I'm so sorry! I went through it 3 1/2 years ago. I still miss her. Same thing, she'd been with me through eighteen years of upheavals and many sorrows.

You've been to Rainbow Bridge, I assume.

120 posted on 06/29/2007 2:20:23 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: Kay Syrah

“she goes thru the house making this loud throaty cry”

Our Siamese does that at night. She carries her small stuffed toy through the house doing that weird yowl from her throat. We thought she was telling us “it’s time to go to bed!” because it’s always around that time. But maybe it’s a hunting-related thing.


121 posted on 06/29/2007 2:30:38 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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To: Fawn; lepton
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122 posted on 06/29/2007 2:33:04 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: lepton

Yes.
He’s a brown tabby, and if you make the mistake of letting him sleep too long, he’ll keep you awake all night to help him chase down morsels.


123 posted on 06/29/2007 2:36:32 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Windows Error dialog box. Windows' way of saying, "Look at ME!")
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To: billbears

My cat lets me know that she’d take me down if her crunchy dish weren’t regularly tended by the servants.
She even backs it up with reminder nips to the Achilles tendon.
And when I trip over something, she races over not to see if I’m okay, but to see if I’m hurt enough for her to take down.


124 posted on 06/29/2007 2:38:15 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Windows Error dialog box. Windows' way of saying, "Look at ME!")
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To: HaveHadEnough
Cats are domesticated? Mine would disagree. From his point of view, I kind of domesticated myself.

Spoken like a true cat person! I have three myself.

125 posted on 06/29/2007 2:39:26 PM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: Darksheare

Oh, I can see where the inspiration could come from. I’ve had pets that like to sleep during the day and want to be played with at night too.


126 posted on 06/29/2007 2:40:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Albion Wilde

NiMH dropped off a LIVE rabbit in the kitchen.
He then sat and excitedly yipped at us as we chased the rabbitoid miscreant around the kitchen.
This doesn’t include the myriad squirrels and chipmunks he’s brought to us.


127 posted on 06/29/2007 2:40:30 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Windows Error dialog box. Windows' way of saying, "Look at ME!")
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To: MeanWestTexan
I only know one set, and that just barely. Clearly no hooves. Doesn’t chew cud. No thanks!

Oh, I was referring to the same set, just looking for the exact exclusion. No scales either. I guess furballs don't equal cud. :)

128 posted on 06/29/2007 2:42:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Rainbow Bridge. I’ll meet Homer 1, Homer 2, and Duchess.


129 posted on 06/29/2007 2:43:15 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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To: lepton

NiMH is quite a character.
He was born outside from a feral mother.
But he likes his indoor amenities.
He just prefers being outside, at least until it rains, or snows, or the big rabbit looks threatening.


130 posted on 06/29/2007 2:44:31 PM PDT by Darksheare (The Windows Error dialog box. Windows' way of saying, "Look at ME!")
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To: Slings and Arrows
If the cat comes back, keep it indoors

Not going to do that.

The cat waits by the door if we do that. He bolts the first chance he gets. When he was 6 months old, we spent at least 3 evenings a week trying to chase him down and carry him back. If he gets really frustrated he will "mark" places in the house.

131 posted on 06/29/2007 2:47:29 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: G Larry

Siberian cats supposedly naturally lack the gene for the saliva protein that irritates some humans so. Allegedly 70% of allergic people can tolerate a Siberian cat. You could visit a Siberian cattery and see if you’re one of the lucky ones.


132 posted on 06/29/2007 2:49:07 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Dinsdale

LOL. I DO learn a lot on freerepublic. I should have stopped when you suggested to NOT look it up.


133 posted on 06/29/2007 2:52:44 PM PDT by twigs
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To: MissEdie

Sorry to hear about your loss MissEdie.


134 posted on 06/29/2007 2:52:53 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: MissEdie
I lost my 15 year old Tabby to kidney failure Tuesday morning.

I'm so sorry to hear that. Before I got Squeek I adopted Molly-Berry thru pet rescue and only had her for 6 weeks before I had to put her down due to liver cancer. her total cost to me for the brief time she was with me including rescue fees was around $800.

I don't mind the monetary outlay for her because she was such a wonderful cat and friendly to all who came into my house. I take solace in the fact that she had finally arrived at a home that appreciated her presence and in her last 6 weeks of life she was loved.........

135 posted on 06/29/2007 2:54:17 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: DogByte6RER; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; ontap; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Auntbee; ...
Re: Scientists believe cats 'sort of domesticated themselves'

Whoa... Momma!

Now, that's... just down right kinky!

What so kinky... about kissing a little fuzzy wuzzy?

Gadzooks! I am... speechless...

Just like... a man!

Look who needs... a booster dose of Bond. James Bond.

I... need a dose of something!

Yeah, a dose of salts... with a dump truck chaser!

136 posted on 06/29/2007 3:12:46 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: Nachum

I remember reading somewhere that cats, unlike dogs, form greater bonds with a place, as opposed to other people. Maybe this comes from being solitary hunters, as most great cats tend to be, or the fact that most great cats also tend to roam over fairly large territories.

I know that moving can be a terrible experience for a cat.

Mark


137 posted on 06/29/2007 3:21:11 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Bender2
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138 posted on 06/29/2007 3:23:01 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: nmh
I’d highly recommend Bengals

For reasons unknown, Hawaii forbids bring a Bengal into the state. Dunno what the big deal is. My brother's wife has a couple and loves them dearly.

139 posted on 06/29/2007 3:28:03 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: lepton

My cats are named after two Chi-Com dictators. Mao, which means the animal that makes the meow sound, and Hu, which means tiger. Actually, her full name is Xiao Hu, small tiger..


140 posted on 06/29/2007 3:28:44 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Kay Syrah
The manx has taught him the basics of opening drawers and doors. (put your paws under it and move it back and forth till the latch pops.) So I have to have child latches on the important stuff. Sigh....... She does understand the principle of door knobs and I have caught her standing on her hind legs with her paws on the knob trying to work it. So far no luck, but who knows.

I've long been sure that the one wish, shared by every cat on the planet, is for opposable thumbs.

If that wish ever comes true, watch out!

Mark

141 posted on 06/29/2007 3:36:42 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: DogByte6RER
I'm more of a "dog person" too, but I believe the report.

My wife is more of a cat person. We have three, and I apparently belong to the last one. He came to us two years ago, sick and hungry, on the eve of the worst snow storm of the year. I went to the wood pile for a load to fill the wood racks, and heard a "meow". I knew my wife wasn't really wanting another cat, and I also knew if he came in he probably wasn't going to leave. I briefly considered whether I was going to be more trouble if I brought him in or left him out.

142 posted on 06/29/2007 3:36:53 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: lepton
Oh, I was referring to the same set, just looking for the exact exclusion. No scales either. I guess furballs don't equal cud. :)

I believe that there's a general prohibition on mammalian predators too.

Mark

143 posted on 06/29/2007 3:40:01 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: DogByte6RER

Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods.

They have never forgotten this.


144 posted on 06/29/2007 3:40:58 PM PDT by EBH (May God Save Our Country)
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To: Darksheare
big rabbit looks threatening.

Is this your cat, or Jimmy Carter you're talking about here?

Mark

145 posted on 06/29/2007 3:41:16 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: DogByte6RER
And... your point is?


146 posted on 06/29/2007 3:45:38 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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To: DogByte6RER

I guess there’s hope for democrats. Once they domesticate themselves they will stop peeing all over us.


147 posted on 06/29/2007 3:46:35 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: dragonblustar
Kitty porn!

148 posted on 06/29/2007 3:46:46 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: DogByte6RER

They allow us to house them and feed them.


149 posted on 06/29/2007 3:47:25 PM PDT by bannie (Is the amnesty bill the REASON our Founding Fathers insured our RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS?)
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To: DogByte6RER; Millee; carlr; Maximus of Texas; EX52D; ontap; StephenTX; wallcrawlr; Auntbee; ...
RE:...

Hey! Never leave a sexy gal like that...

In... the shadows!

And you... wanted to send me to hell...


150 posted on 06/29/2007 3:53:13 PM PDT by Bender2 (A 'Good Yankee' comes down to Texas, then goes back north. A 'Damn Yankee' stays... Damn it!)
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