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Scientists believe cats 'sort of domesticated themselves'
SignOnSanDiego.com ^ | June 29, 2007 | THE WASHINGTON POST

Posted on 06/29/2007 8:02:15 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

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To: Slings and Arrows
Our 11 month old Tabby (rescue cat) disappeared a week ago.

He has disappeared 4 times so far including this time. Two times, we were called by animal control services due to the chip implant. One time, he was roaming another neighborhood and we found him at our synagogue and carried him home. Later out we found that one of our neighbors said he was hanging out around a neighbor a few blocks away. This time though, it looks like he may be gone for good.

You can't tell me that this cat domesticated himself. (that %$#@* cat).

51 posted on 06/29/2007 8:41:00 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: DogByte6RER

Bump


52 posted on 06/29/2007 8:42:33 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: DogByte6RER
“The problem with cats is that they were once worshiped as deities, and they have never forgotten it”

— Sorry can’t remember whose quote I just stole!

53 posted on 06/29/2007 8:48:26 AM PDT by TGIAO
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To: DogByte6RER

She needs to get a worthwhile hobby. Purposely breeding cats should mean jail time in this world today. Witch.


54 posted on 06/29/2007 8:49:03 AM PDT by Fawn (If it wasn't for FR, I'd be having an Existential MELTDOWN..............right now)
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To: Centurion2000

I was wondering how long it would take for the free cat to come up. Thanks for the laugh.


55 posted on 06/29/2007 8:50:26 AM PDT by zek157
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To: HaveHadEnough

We had a cat, 30 years ago, that just showed up at the door one day, out of nowhere, walked in like she owned the place, and decided to stay. She lived there for the next five or six years and died. Would bring up snakes and birds and stuff and put them on the front door steps at night.........


56 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: zek157

It wasn’t up for long.


57 posted on 06/29/2007 8:52:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Darksheare
NiMH cat does that.

You have a cat named "Nickel-Metal Hydride"?

58 posted on 06/29/2007 8:55:07 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Fawn

Link to the original news article and read about how PETA was outraged by this lady’s cat breeding.

Go to:

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/03/20/news/californian/31906192121.txt

Also...check out some of the comments posted by readers at the end of the article.


59 posted on 06/29/2007 8:56:08 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Tokra

We have an Australian Cattle Dog who is obsessed with chasing frisbies. When he was about 8 months old, we took him with us on bike ride across the state of Kansas. I drove the motor home and my husband, four close friends and about 1000 other friends went along. One evening we decided to see how long Barkley would retrive the frisbie. The six of us went at it for about 2 1/2 hours, sitting around eating and drinking beer. We finally got sick of it and told him to go away (other nice trick is if you tell him “out” he leaves). So he went around to other camp sites, dropping the frisbie at people’s feet and kept it going another hour before we finally called him home and put him in the motor home. It was getting dark.


60 posted on 06/29/2007 8:56:40 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: DogByte6RER

Not intestested in what anyone else says about it.....I just know that it’s senseless and cruel to breed while thousands are purposely killed every day in this country costing taxpers millions!!


61 posted on 06/29/2007 8:57:31 AM PDT by Fawn (If it wasn't for FR, I'd be having an Existential MELTDOWN..............right now)
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To: DogByte6RER
Your cat decided to live with you, not the other way around.

One October evening over 15 years ago, a stray female tabby-tortie showed up at my sliding glass door at the back of the house. She kept pawing at the door like she wanted in. I had never seen her before.

She showed up night after night, always around the same time.

At first I tried to ignore her, then I even tried to chase her away, but she kept showing up night after night.

I had a Siberian Husky at the time and one evening while the dog was sitting on the porch waiting to be let in, I saw this scrawny little cat affectionately rubbing up against the dog and licking her – like “see, I even like dogs – please let me in”

I finally relented. “Zelda” immediately made herself right at home. She was so calm and so affectionate, it was like she knew she belonged and I and the dog knew it too.

Three weeks later she gave birth in my bedroom closet to three beautiful kittens.

I only found a home for one of the kittens so 15 years later I have three cats. Sadly my dog passed on at age 14, a year after Zelda showed up.

I really believe that out of all the houses in the neighborhood, this cat purposely choose mine. She somehow knew I would be good to her and her babies.

And she’s been very good to me as have her two offspring, each have very different personalities but each are very affectionate and strangely empathetic to my needs and emotions.

She’s elderly now and in the early stages of Kidney failure and I can’t imagine life without her love, her cuddling and kisses.

I’ve always said that dogs, because they are pack orientated; love you because they have to, it’s in their nature, they need the approval of the alpha. Cats on the other hand are solitary creatures by nature, so if they love you, it’s only because they choose to.
62 posted on 06/29/2007 8:59:04 AM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: Sacajaweau
A burglar has entered your home. Your dog goes wild!!!!Disturbed by the dog’s barking, your cat takes a deep breath and goes back to sleep.

My cat comes to get me if I am in the family room when the stove timer goes off.

63 posted on 06/29/2007 9:00:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: DogByte6RER

I like the comment I heard the other day - Dogs have masters. Cats have staff.


64 posted on 06/29/2007 9:00:52 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Darksheare
He also brings home live prey to teach us how to hunt.

Yes, there's nothing like opening one's eyes from a nap on the white living room wall-to-wall to the sight of a dead mouse with one or more bleeding stumps and my cat on the other side of it, looking expectantly at me for praise.

65 posted on 06/29/2007 9:02:53 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: nmh

That’s just their way of telling you to get food for them.


66 posted on 06/29/2007 9:03:23 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Without the fence, deporting illegals is like shoveling water.)
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To: DogByte6RER

They’re freeloaders, plain and simple.


67 posted on 06/29/2007 9:06:09 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: twigs
“We have what we believe to be a Bengal mix and she loves to play with balls—the toy kind. I think she would be capable of playing fetch if she weren’t so ornery. And we also have an orange tabby. We got both cats last year when they were kittens and found in back yards. I’ve just fallen in love with this Bengal (well, and the tabby too). We got ours for free and we took her to give her a home, but now I want another one. I’ve been looking them up on the internet and they cost hundreds of dollars. Yikes!”

I got the orange tabby, Thomas from a “foster mom”. We had to be interviewed and it was agreeable and we adopted him. His mom got scared away and left the kittens. Thomas was one of them. He’s a sweetheart - real marsh mellow personality but he will stand his ground.

Debbie, our Bengal is too much! I’ve had to train her NOT to climb the walls and NOT jump in the shower with me. I’ll fill the bath tub and she’ll swim around in there and play with toys. She loves water! She also sounds different - she chrips. She’s VERY active. When it comes to food SHE is the aggressive one.

Another way to tell a Bengal is the body type - they are significantly longer. They’re very soft - pelted and come in various shades. They should have “black boots” and a black and cream tail. Of course they should have spots and some have “glitter”. Debbie doesn’t have “glitter” but she is beautiful - she’s a “blondish” coloring. Light coloring with dark spots and mint green eyes that are more oval. The eyes are another give away. They’re different in shape.

Next year I hope to get a male Bengal with “glitter”. I don’t like having them all the same age. As they get older ... like people they start declining ... I went through that before and it was hard to deal with ... one lived to be 20 years old and the other two died within months of each other at 18 years old.

I’d highly recommend Bengals - they’re smart, fun and beautiful. It’s the closest I’ll ever get to a “wild cat”. Selectively mated domestics and Asian leopard is what makes them more unusual.

68 posted on 06/29/2007 9:06:11 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Too cute for words!

Great!!!

:)


69 posted on 06/29/2007 9:07:24 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: advertising guy
the cat will sneak out an opening in the house with the video cam and go to an outside window,film the whole thing,sell it to CNN and retire.

A few years ago I read a news item about a cat in England who was stealing stuff from other people's houses via the cat doors. He brought home all kinds of stuff, including IIRC an umbrella and a golf club.

70 posted on 06/29/2007 9:07:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: DogByte6RER

I have never trusted cats. Never.


71 posted on 06/29/2007 9:13:06 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Albion Wilde

I have 4 cats right now and a damn doggie door and just rescued a pidgeon flying in my house . I shoulda let the cats eat the pidgeon then eat the cats........lol


72 posted on 06/29/2007 9:18:04 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Fawn
I just know that it’s senseless and cruel to breed while thousands are purposely killed every day

They aren't breeding cats for *those* qualities.

And uh...animals die. Billions and billions daily. The best way to control them?" Allow people to hunt them and eat them. Spaying and Neutering on a large scale is absurdly wasteful economically, and not eating them is wasteful biologically.

73 posted on 06/29/2007 9:22:03 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: DogByte6RER

I have a big garden, so I went to the human society and got a cat as IPM. I took home the cat that reached through the cage and snagged me with his paw. Naturally, he’d never been outside a day in his life, but he caught on in a big hurry. He is an excellent hunter now. He brings me a rodent, I open a can of wet food to reward him (and dispose of the rodent). The first few catches, I had a hard time getting the rodent away from him.

He comes when he is called (the dog should do so well), plays fetch, dances on command, stands (back legs) on command and is my constant companion and best buddy.

Right now he is thoroughly out of sorts with me - my granddaughter is visiting and he is outraged to discover that I can love someone else.


74 posted on 06/29/2007 9:26:47 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: DogByte6RER
The most relevant question:

How much did this cost taxpayers?

75 posted on 06/29/2007 9:28:42 AM PDT by unspun (life, popular sovereignty, national sovereignty, liberty, responsibility)
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To: DogByte6RER

What’s with the propensity for publishing peoples’ age when it has nothing to do with the story?


76 posted on 06/29/2007 9:30:57 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: lepton
Neutering on a large scale is absurdly wasteful economically,

You're kidding right? It's the best thing to do. Economically and morally. Same goes for liberals. :)

77 posted on 06/29/2007 9:34:03 AM PDT by Fawn (If it wasn't for FR, I'd be having an Existential MELTDOWN..............right now)
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To: DogByte6RER
PETA approved pet:


78 posted on 06/29/2007 9:34:04 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Nachum

:( Awww, I hope your kitty comes back.


79 posted on 06/29/2007 9:37:58 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Nachum
Did you make any changes in your household that may have upset the cat? I have a 7 year old cat that was tame (at least to us and the dogs, she hated strangers) until we built the new house 2 years ago and had the old mobile home hauled away. She hated the new house, and howled when I tried to orientate her to it (for weeks), so I finally told hubby it was her choice to be an outside cat and I wasn't going to continue to make her miserable by forcing her to come inside. She still came around to eat, but wouldn't even let us pet her any more. It really broke my heart that this happened, we were so close before that.

We are worried about her right now, as neither one of us has seen her in 2 weeks. We call her and she won't come, but her food gets eaten and it is in a spot where other animals can't get to it, so we just have to hope for the best. Although, she does live up to her name of Xena Warrior Princess B**ch, I've seen her beat up some pretty big dogs and so far she has managed to survive not getting caught by a coyote, so she may still be out in the woods somewhere and just ignoring our calls.

80 posted on 06/29/2007 9:40:44 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: windcliff

ping


81 posted on 06/29/2007 9:40:59 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: Hoodlum91

We know this.


82 posted on 06/29/2007 9:46:43 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Darksheare; Lady Jag
They were looking for food, not friendship.

Is THIS what we know??? : )

83 posted on 06/29/2007 9:52:28 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: MeanWestTexan
"I live in an all-but-me female household, and we’ve noticed the cats always treat me as the alpha-male of the pride. It’s pretty funny, if annoying, to always have a cat underfoot and/or in-lap"

Same here....me 20lb orange tabby (Tiger) likes to "pounce" Mom and the kids....When he sees me he immediately rolls onto his back....

He's a great cat, follows me around like a puppy dog most of the time....although, I must add, he really is not the brightest cat I've ever known...he's got a great personality with little in the way of brains behind it....
84 posted on 06/29/2007 9:52:39 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: DogByte6RER
The findings, drawn from the analysis of nearly a thousand cats around the world, suggest that the ancestors of today's tabbies, Persians and Siamese wandered into Near Eastern settlements at the dawn of agriculture. They were looking for food, not friendship.

Well, D'OH!

My cat, Ace, has at least a couple of dozen variations of "meows" "preows" and "peuws", some of which might mean "pet me" or "let me out", but most of them are variations of

FEED ME! "

85 posted on 06/29/2007 10:11:33 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: ravingnutter
Did you make any changes in your household that may have upset the cat?

We recently moved (a month ago). I would say that would qualify as the kind of event that would upset a cat. The only thing is that before the move, this particular cat wanted to be an "outside" cat from the moment we took him home from the shelter. When he peed on a bunch of things in the house my wife got so angry that she let him go outside (thinking he would be gone for good). To our surprise, he simply spent his evenings prowling the neighborhood for adventure and coming back to the house for napping, eating, and the occasional affection. Shortly after that, he disapeared for two days and we got a call from a shelter.

I thought that when we moved, he would bolt for good, but he simply repeated his routine of hanging around the new house and prowling at night, and then finding new favorite places to perch and sleep during the day. We disappeared for 3 or 4 days, and we thought he was gone, but we found him hanging around our local synagogue and one of the kids picked him up and carried him home. He went back to his "normal" routine. He disapeared for another 2 days a couple of weeks later and we get a call from yet another shelter that they have our cat (from the implant chip). Another do-gooder had picked him up, drove him to the shelter nearest her home which was 30 miles away from us. He did not run away, but he is a notorious flirt with people and she picked him up, thinking she was saving him.

Now he has gone again. We haven't been called by any shelters, and I haven't seen him around the area at all. Who knows what happened to him. He may turn up in a day, a month, or a year. We may get a call from another shelter because of the implanted chip or he may be road-kill. Who knows.

We speculated that it was more because he was a male cat and that a female cat would not have been as "outdoor". The kids want another cat, but I am not ready yet.....

86 posted on 06/29/2007 10:12:06 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: billbears
I have no choice in the matter. Cats are little people in furry coats...

And people are just warm furniture...

87 posted on 06/29/2007 10:12:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: DogByte6RER
The New World, Japan and Oceania lack wildcats. Their closest counterpart in North America is the lynx.

What are the things we call wildcats/bobcats if they are not wildcats? A lynx variant?

88 posted on 06/29/2007 10:14:32 AM PDT by decimon
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To: billbears

haha. i am greeted each day by four kitties staring at me, waiting for me to wake up. i had two. then two more (a mom and baby) found us. the strays are the best and sweetest cats i have ever had. i am glad cats became domesticated.


89 posted on 06/29/2007 10:18:23 AM PDT by applpie
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To: nmh

Thank you for the Bengal info. I’ve read that Bengals like water; ours doesn’t. She’s just too refined. She dips that little foot of hers in it and says, no sirree, not for me! Our orange tabby (Arancia—Italian for orange) gets in between the shower curtains when we shower. The inside one is clear and he can watch without getting wet. But he watches the water at the bottom instead of us which I’m sure is a lot more interesting! Sometimes he falls in, but just climbs out.

Luna likes to jump. I have an open bookcase that is in front of a little corner of our window (I have to put my books wherever I can find a cranny). Both of our cats have emptied parts of several shelves (yes, books just come crashing down) so that they can jump and have a place to lay and watch out the window. Luna jumps all around. And she also has a longer body type. She’s very soft and is largely black with cream in between the stripes. She’s closer to a marbed pattern, but does not have well-defined rosettes.

She is our dominant cat. Arancia is mostly just a pussy-cat push-over. Although not entirely. We find that the two of them have mellowed each other some.


90 posted on 06/29/2007 10:27:45 AM PDT by twigs
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To: DogByte6RER

Many scientists believe that dogs domesticated themselves, too. The old theory was that people adopted wolf puppies, but wild wolves would have been hard to domesticate and would make bad pets. Instead, what may have happened over thousands of years is that wolves followed bands of humans around on their hunts, and hung out at their campsites, eating the discarded bones and other detritus. Over time, they became more domesticated, and man started appreciating the benefit of having a warning every time danger approached. The dogs that survived were the ones who could not only get along with humans, but understand their behavior. My dog knows when I’m going to my car; the ancient wolves would know when the Geico guys were about to go on a hunt.


91 posted on 06/29/2007 10:29:12 AM PDT by Defiant (Principle No. 4: No anchor babies. Change the automatic citizenship law.)
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To: Roses0508

Too funny!


92 posted on 06/29/2007 10:32:38 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Caramelgal

I’ve heard some people say that they don’t entirely trust people who don’t like dogs. I agree, but I also don’t entirely trust people who don’t like cats. OK, some people are allergic to them, and some cats are pretty ornery, but there’s something wrong with anyone who isn’t moved by a furry, friendly critter of whatever sort. I’m not much for the various rodents, just because it never seemed to me like they took a lot of notice of people, but I could be wrong. Birds, reptiles,amphibians and fish mostly leave me cold.


93 posted on 06/29/2007 10:34:47 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: DogByte6RER
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Take that, Domestication!
94 posted on 06/29/2007 10:38:02 AM PDT by Shaun_MD ("Republic of Texas")
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To: DogByte6RER
The story is quite different from that of other domesticated animals – cattle, sheep, goats, horses, and dogs, cats' main rivals for human affection. ,

The cat was allowed to stay but the horse never got it into his head that jumping up on the bed and licking my face in the morning was definitely not allowed.........

95 posted on 06/29/2007 10:44:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Albion Wilde

Oh...You mean everytime the FEED ME timer goes off.


96 posted on 06/29/2007 10:49:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Red Badger
We had a cat, 30 years ago, that just showed up at the door one day, out of nowhere, walked in like she owned the place, and decided to stay.

I know two cases where a cat showed up and just decided to stay - and in both cases, eventually brought another cat-friend to stay as well. The family I knew that this happened to ended up finding a home for the second cat. But the widow I know this happened to kept both cats (and she had a dog) and then the alpha-cat broght a 3rd cat-friend to stay. I think she found another home for that one.

97 posted on 06/29/2007 10:53:52 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Dogs have masters, cats have staff!

That's funny my dog's cat (Chew Toy) carries his weight. Of course he thinks he's a dog.

98 posted on 06/29/2007 10:55:24 AM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: meowmeow

Cat’s are descendents of stranded space aliens........


99 posted on 06/29/2007 11:03:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: nmh
I’d highly recommend Bengals - they’re smart, fun and beautiful.

Mine is mostly bengal but she is none of the above. She's not affectionate but will lie on your lap. She doesn't like to be held or carried does like to be around me. I can let her out all day on the back deck and she will not wander off. She wandered off one time last summer but I found her in front of my next door neighbor's house and scolded her all the way home. She never left the deck again.

However, she knows that I allow her to stalk any birds at the feeder which is about 25 feet off the back deck but once she makes a move on the birds, they're gone and she dashes back onto the deck.

She can't meow but rather kinda squeeks so I named her squeek. She's not playful in any way but occasionally plays with her squeeky mouse when I'm not present. For whatever reason, she is constantly putting it in her water bowl then the thing squeeks nonstop till it dries out.

She's not mischevous or destructive in any way. She is allowed on furniture but very seldom gets up on them.

She is just a good all around cat....

100 posted on 06/29/2007 11:09:32 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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