Posted on 06/29/2007 8:23:46 AM PDT by Bladerunnuh
On May 30, Ramirez was part of a serious car accident where he suffered multiple injuries and was put into a comatose state. He was placed onto feeding tubes where he received nourishment and water.
Ten days later, the man’s wife, Rebecca, 33, asked doctors to pull him from the tubes after they explained that the accident would probably leave the man blind or in vegetative state.
For five days, the hospital withheld sustenance from the injured man, but restored the tubes after the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) – an Ariz.-based Christian law firm – filed a lawsuit on behalf of the rest of Ramirez family.
On Tuesday, a settlement was reached in which all decision-making for the patient will move from wife Rebecca to a court-appointed guardian. The man will also be moved to a rehabilitation center.
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“Ohhhhh.. what are you doing? Were you pulling the plug on me!”
Yeah, she had his best interests at heart. Kill him and then go to the boyfriend.
Would they also have stopped feeding him if he was going to be a little deaf in the left ear? Although I suppose it is easier to starve a blind man because you can hide any food he might come across while walking down the hospital hallway.
I truly believe that this young man and his family have been the beneficiary of a divine intervention.
I don’t know about it being questionable, although of course that’s a possibility. But with so many people and the MSM always touting that that’s what most people would want (not being on life support, etc. etc.), I think a significant number of people get conned into thinking that they are doing the right thing when they make a decision like this. I’ve told my family that they are not to remove reasonable life support on me. If they do and I die, I will come back to haunt them. I just don’t trust the medical establishment.
“According to a report from Rebecca Ramirez, who was also in the Toyota SUV when it crashed, the accident was a result of a heated argument in the car between the husband and wife about a man’s phone number on Rebecca’s phone. It was reported that Jesse was suspicious of an affair.
After refusing to let the woman out of the car, she opened her door as if to jump, causing concern to Jesse which led to him to flip the car over and throw them both from the vehicle.”
So the wife wanted to pull the tubes.... gee I wonder why?????
Boy, THAT’S going to make family dinners a lot more awkward...
The court appointed putting down of Terri Shiavo by the man who may well ave out her in that state has set precedence which will last for decades. Thank God Ramirez regained consciousness....though even before reading the original I had a feeling they were going to have marital problems very shortly. Now it looks as though marital problems caused hom to have the accident to begin with.
...With his life insurance check from an accident she admits she caused.
Hmmm.... this could be bad, she’s probably already spent his life insurance money.... Try and explain that one.
If you knew you were the cause of the accident that put your spouse in that state, would you wait a mere week and a half before asking them to let him die of thirst? I doubt it.
My dad recently passed away, and for the last 6 months of his life, he was in and out of the hospital. As they moved him from room to room, someone would always come in with a clipboard asking him if he wanted to be removed from life support and when, and my dad’s mind was sharp until the day he died, and he’d look at them, and say, “No, I’d prefer they stay on— thank you.”
And then they would leave and we’d all get a laugh out of it. Although it wasn’t funny, it was just tasteless, and morbid. We probably had to sign that thing 50 times in 6 months.
That was fast on the trigger. Usually they don’t begin to consider pulling the plug for 6 weeks if the person isn’t declared brain dead.
Better here than anywhere else. The Alliance
Defense Fund is located here.
Left out of this story was an interesting remark from the Judge...
He ["Judge" Paul Katz] also admonished the families to get along for Jesse Ramirez’s sake and questioned aloud whether any of them had his best interests at heart."
I wonder how the judge managed to torture his mind into such a non-judgemental position? Let's see...the spouse was fighting with him at the time of the crash, and demanded food cut-off almost immediately. His family intervenes to save his life, and the "judge" can't figure out who has the patient's best interests in mind?
I know this Judge because I've been before him. He is a total asshat. He think "everybody should just get along," and that he can make it so by simply ordering it.
I found the link to the online story: Here
Even the French, with their socialized medicine hospitals, don’t usually pull the plug on you for at least 30 days;-)
What?
First of all, she was not in a vegetative state and I wish people would quit spouting off this lie. Second, does the length of her condition make it okay to withhold basic care such as food and water (the word however at the end seems to be a justification). Third, she died of complications due to dehydration. Fourth, this is from a Christian source? Like the abortion issue, this has to be surrounded by so many lies to make it palatable to the masses.
Yep, and hide her dirty little secret with him.
So glad he’s doing better and has a family who will fight for him!
Why would "blind" compare to "vegetative state"?
This woman was cheating on her husband and having a heated argument with him about her infidelity when she opened the door of the moving vehicle they were in and distracted him, causing the crash that injured him.
Yet the law's default position says she had the right to make his medical decisions for him.
Then there is another question of conflict of interest: how does someone who stands to gain insurance and survivor benefits from someone's death get to choose whether they live or die?
My medical directive requires any life-ending decision to be made in consultation with a Roman Catholic moral theologian who is a member of Opus Dei.
My wife and I agree that these decisions should be made by someone who is knowledgeable, has emotional distance and stands to gain or lose nothing from my demise.
Good lord, I can only imagine how that made all of you feel, especially him. What GHOULS.
Isn’t anyone troubled that an apparently unrelated interest group can somehow intervene in a someone’s private medical care? It’s one thing for the government to try to stop someone from being removed from life support, but some private orginazation with its own agenda? Will my husband have to fight off challenges from this group or, say, the Muslim Law Society, if he decides to take me off life support some day? That makes me very uncomfortable. I trust him over some group of agenda-driven strangers. I’d like to know more about how this group got standing to intervene.
Because his family asked them to, i.e., mother, father, siblings - that kind of family.
My instructions are that both my son (who is a medical professional) and my husband are to make the decisions jointly. I suppose they could get in cahoots, but it seems unlikely as I know my son’s devotion to saving life.
Yeah. Put down like a dog by Democrats, the decision of Democrats defended by Democrats...Terri Schiavo's fate can be the fate of ANYONE in this country as soon as Nazi style "universal health care" is implimented by a Democrat president. While the "rel conservative" bots sit there at their keyboard with their bong beside them, fingers in their ears, chanting "bordersbordersbordersbordersborders" and allow it to happen without complaint.
Why would anyone want to live in a vegetative state? Why would anyone want to live blind? Or if you have pimples? sarcasm on
Thank you. I didn’t know the circumstances. Yes, you are entirely correct, then. She should not be the sole voice in this decision because there is clearly a conflict of interest. You and your wife have come to a wise decision about these things. Thank you for clarifying the details for me.
This sounds much too much like the Terri Shiavo case to me, at least about how the spouse had or may have had a hand in the circumstances surrounding the patient’s condition and the conflict of interest regarding the insurance payout.
No it's not. Although there may be exceptions from time to time. I swear, if it's looking like one has to hired armed guards to be around to keep the 'helpful' ghouls from interfering in family affairs.
When it's my time to go, it's my time to go. And that decision will be left to my wife. No one else, not a court, and definitely not a 'helpful' ghoul trying to prove some life deal.
I suspect that divorce proceedings will be starting soon.
>>Ten days later, the man’s wife, Rebecca, 33, asked doctors to pull him from the tubes after they explained that the accident would probably leave the man blind or in vegetative state.<<
Yeah. “Blind” doesn’t seem like a reasonable standard to pull the plug. Brain dead with no chance of recovery is what I’d look for.
I recall a Drew Carey skit when he was doing stand-up comedy that involved him hooked up to life saving apparatus. He said to never unplug him because for all we know being in a coma might be best you've ever felt in your life.
Good point. Hope you realize I was being sarcastic!
There's a BIG difference in it being your "time to go", and being MURDERED by being starved & dehydraded to death!
HA! There's people that medicine would say it's their time to go and doctors with degrees would say it's may be the patient's time to go. But ghouls claim those people were being 'murdered'. I've had elderly in my family that their bodies began to shut down just from being old. The tubes, etc. were pulled and it took a few days for them to finally pass on. And there were one or two (outside of the immediate family) that said they should have been kept on life support. Let me put it to you in terms you may can understand.
IT...IS...NONE...OF...YOUR...D#MN....BUSINESS.
That clear enough for you? Quit bugging into other people's lives you're not related to and think you know better because you read some an opinion by a 'doctor' on the internet. If you weren't there, if you weren't in that hospital room, move along.
Isn’t anyone troubled that an apparently unrelated interest group can somehow intervene in a someone’s private medical care?
THE GROUP GOT STANDING BECASUE THE VICTIM’S SISTER ASKED THEM TOO. EUTHANASIA DONE BY A FAMILY MEMBER IS STILL A CRIME. ALL FAMILY MEMEBERS ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY. ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP SOMEONE IN DANGER.
HAD THE WIFE HER WISHES THIS GUY WOULD BE DEAD.
THAT'S understandable - you can't keep "nourshing" when the body won't process any more. BUT, Terri WAS NOT dying, she was just disabled - not dying, not vegatative, not comatose - D-I-S-A-B-L-E-D!!! I saw a video of her laughing with her father - she KNEW what he was talking about. I saw another one, and she was responding to her mother. And, even if she was vegatative or in a coma - you DO NOT starve a person to death! THAT'S MURDER!!! When you take away food and water from someone that IS NOT dying and refuse to let them eat, what do YOU call it???? I don't understand from where YOU'RE coming. It's just plain ole common sense. I didn't have to be in that room to know that. A healthy, tho disabled, person has food taken away from her and guess what. She's going to die! I'm quite passionate about this, and I will NEVER forget - That a court in the United States of America orders a woman to be starved and dehydrated TO DEATH!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“...blind or in vegetative state...”
Ya, “blind” is pretty close to a “vegetative state”....?!?!?
3rd Grade Test —
Which of these 3 things is totally unrelated to the other 2?
a) Blindness
b) Vegetative State
c) Pull the plug and watch him die
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