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National ID plan may have killed immigration bill
CNET (News.com) ^ | Published: June 28, 2007, 12:18 PM PDT | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 06/29/2007 8:32:01 AM PDT by gondramB

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To: gondramB

The media keeps calling this the Bush immigration bill that failed. President Bush supported and worked to get it passed but it was and is the Democrat & Rino immigration bill. If it had passed the media would be calling it the Democrat freedom for immigrants bill.


61 posted on 06/29/2007 10:42:23 AM PDT by free_life
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To: free_life
>>The media keeps calling this the Bush immigration bill that failed. President Bush supported and worked to get it passed but it was and is the Democrat & Rino immigration bill. If it had passed the media would be calling it the Democrat freedom for immigrants bill.<<

Sadly, you are correct.
62 posted on 06/29/2007 10:44:49 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: gondramB
The Democrats don't dare allow a Real ID type of identification to be put into place.

It could be used to identify legitimate voters and prevent vote fraud.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

63 posted on 06/29/2007 10:46:20 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: traviskicks
Hoorah!!

Now all that's left is to overturn this ruse that is 'Real ID'...

Real ID Act Passed - The End Of America

A National ID Bill Masquerading as Immigration Reform (Ron Paul)

National ID Cards Won't Stop Terrorism or Illegal Immigration (Ron Paul)

Well, at least the ACLU is getting this one right:
A Real Nightmare - http://www.realnightmare.org/

Real ID DOES NOT prohibit states from issuing drivers licenses to illegal immigrants (California still debating this)

Real ID Act - A glimpse into the future of America (YouTube)

DHS to Outsource Real ID Data to Third Party company

National ID Party - Republicans betray their federalist principles again(OpinionJournal)

Reason - The Beast is Back - "Real I.D." for an all too real world

Is 'mark of the beast' in Real ID Act?

Old foes unite against Real ID (RepublicanAmerican)

'Real ID' Act Could Help ID Thieves

Georgia Senate Balks at National ID Card

Maine Joint Resolution refusing to implement Real ID Act

Idaho Second State To Reject Real ID Act

Montana Governor says "hell no" to Real ID Act

Missouri Objects to Real ID Requirements

Washington passes bill rejecting terms of Real ID

Arkansas urges Congress to "..add Critical Privacy and Civil Liberty Safeguards to the REAL ID Act"


64 posted on 06/29/2007 11:01:22 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: SubGeniusX
Paranoia reigns. We have to show ID to get on a plane cash a check ect.... Wouldn’t it be good to have an ID that would be tamper proof and used for functions such as travel voting and other important functions. We have fake SS# drivers licenses . Why not secure our own identities?
65 posted on 06/29/2007 11:08:35 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: seekthetruth

with an RFID chip in the National ID card, they can read wherever the card goes.....same as the new passports, etc.

there are clothing companies that already implant these RFID chips into their clothing, and know when their clothes visit different stores (though those white gates you see at the doors)..


66 posted on 06/29/2007 11:11:30 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: dirtboy
"Like hell. Amnesty killed the immigration bill"

I agree! These idiots are now trying to get credit for themselves for the hard work of others. Typical DemonRat ploy. National ID cards took a big back seat to amnesty. It wasn't even on the radar screen.

67 posted on 06/29/2007 11:15:19 AM PDT by moonman
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To: seekthetruth
I had not seen an actual letter! That certainly has to be corrected if the employer is told they can’t fire the illegal employee!!

One FReeper has a tag line along the lines of 'I type, therfore I misspell'.
I don't want someone fired on the spot over a typo.

68 posted on 06/29/2007 11:22:11 AM PDT by Inquisitive1 (I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates)
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To: gondramB
Jim Geraghty on Immigration
69 posted on 06/29/2007 11:36:15 AM PDT by Reaganite1984
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To: ChildOfThe60s
But the Cato Institute is hardly left wing MSM.

Cato is behind totally open borders as a matter of personal "liberty," never mind what that does to representative government. They're a pack of grant mongering idiots.

70 posted on 06/29/2007 11:50:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: bajabaja
Yes, local and state agencies will likely ramp up their activities to restrict illegals and to force the feds to play their legitimate role: there could be some exciting confrontations resulting from both.

Meanwhile, other cities, like L.A. and 'frisco, will hang onto their sanctuary status and probably find themselves faced with protest from both sides. (OK, not SF)

71 posted on 06/29/2007 11:53:06 AM PDT by norton
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To: gondramB

They still don’t get it. Read the Belmont Club which blows this argument to smithereens.


72 posted on 06/29/2007 11:55:27 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: gondramB

I really don’t understand the process but Senator DeMint was on the Laura Ingraham radio show this morning and also credited the Baucus amendment with the downfall of the bill.

Somehow, when the amendment passed it created a wedge to lure others to a NO to cloture.


73 posted on 06/29/2007 11:58:43 AM PDT by Republican Red (The word "courage" is not in the liberal vocabulary)
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To: Logophile

I agree and I don’t support this national ID.


74 posted on 06/29/2007 12:03:01 PM PDT by NJBushcountry
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To: Carry_Okie
Cato is behind totally open borders as a matter of personal "liberty," never mind what that does to representative government.

Hmm, I was unaware of this. I'll have to do some reading on CATO in regards to this subject.

75 posted on 06/29/2007 12:11:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Carry_Okie
OK, so I looked on CATO's site. This is the quote from their [apparent] guru on this subject:

Cato scholar Daniel Griswold argues, "The bill before the Senate was flawed in many ways. The number of temporary worker visas was insufficient, its interior enforcement provisions too intrusive, the point system too convoluted. But the bill was at least pointing in the right direction. The Republicans who brought the bill down have yet to put forward any practical and principled alternative."

Take note of the last sentence: "The Republicans who brought the bill down have yet to put forward any practical and principled alternative."

On the contrary. they did just the opposite. They said current laws should be enforced and border security beefed up many times. Both of these are practical. And I would ask Mr. Griswold what is it that he considers "not principled" in demanding enforcement of our [properly passed] laws?

76 posted on 06/29/2007 12:37:30 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Global2010
Charging? That's crazy!

Here is a spreadsheet of immigration votes with some statistics/analysis

Excel 2003: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ou6kwa
Excel 2007: http://www.sendspace.com/file/21i5ps

I hope this helps your emails/notes/faxes etc. to those who helped and those who hurt...it is critical that you know how your senators voted so that they can be properly held accountable at election time in 1, 3, or 5 years. Let the good guys know how much you appreciate their efforts, and let the bad guys know that their actions on this bill will haunt them forever.

77 posted on 06/29/2007 1:31:53 PM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: gondramB

Real ID? Real bad IDea!


78 posted on 06/29/2007 2:59:09 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: gondramB

AMNESTY killed this bill with the help of FR and talk radio!!!...


79 posted on 06/29/2007 4:20:15 PM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Vet===Fairness Doctrine for TV First!!!!!.....I'Am With Fred)
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To: gondramB
National ID didn't kill the bill - amnesty along with all the socialist entitlements did. It infuriated the population in general, and as a result, the Senators couldn't sneak it through despite two attempts.

People are tired of carrying America's own deadwood - they certainly don't want to start carrying those from other countries as well.

80 posted on 06/29/2007 4:24:25 PM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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