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A buried treasure of trees (15 million year-old fossilized tree forest found intact)
LAT ^ | 06/28/07 | Tomas Alex Tizon

Posted on 06/29/2007 9:02:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

A buried treasure of trees

A Washington state man who always loved to dig in the dirt unearths a petrified forest, covered by lava 15 million years ago while still upright.

By Tomas Alex Tizon
Times Staff Writer

June 28, 2007

Yakima, Wash. — Clyde Friend's life changed the moment his bulldozer hit the first tree on a hot summer afternoon in 2002 as he leveled a hill behind his workshop. Chips flew everywhere, a small explosion of brown and white shards.

He hopped off the dozer to investigate. There, embedded in the hill, was a mostly intact fossilized tree trunk standing upright in solid rock. "Well, that's different," he recalls thinking.

A heavy-machine operator for most of his working life, Friend was used to finding bits of petrified wood now and then. He'd never bumped into anything like this.

For the next several days, in the privacy of his remote 10-acre lot, Friend dug up the rest of his find by chipping away the surrounding rock. It turned out to be a petrified hickory tree, 18 feet tall and as big around as a cantaloupe.

He extracted it in pieces and put it in storage, thinking it could be worth something someday. Then he went back to leveling the hill — until he hit the second tree. It was the same height as the first, but thicker. The third tree was identical, but the fourth took his breath away: 20 inches in diameter.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 15millionyear; forest; godsgravesglyphs; petrifiedforest; petrifiedtree; tlr; yakima
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Clyde Friend is unearthing a 15-million-year-old forest at his property in central Washington. (Mike Siegel / The Seattle Times)

April 26, 2007

Clyde Friend holds a section of a petrified tree limb found on his property. He's unearthing a forest that's more than 15 million years old. (Mike Siegel / The Seattle Times)

April 26, 2007


1 posted on 06/29/2007 9:02:13 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: blam; SunkenCiv; AntiGuv; neverdem

Ping!


2 posted on 06/29/2007 9:02:49 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Cool!


3 posted on 06/29/2007 9:04:00 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: TigerLikesRooster

His hands tell another great story.


4 posted on 06/29/2007 9:04:09 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Talk about an old-growth forest!


5 posted on 06/29/2007 9:05:37 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I suppose there is just no chance that these trees were buried more recently in a really big flood?

Naaaaaaaaaaahh. Couldn't happen....could it? Naaaaaaaaaaahh.

6 posted on 06/29/2007 9:13:38 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

I suppose there is just no chance that these trees were buried more recently in a really big flood?
_________

From reading the article, your question above could surely be answered in the affirmative, if you intend to rewrite the Bible so that the rain that fell for 40 days and nights was actually lava.


7 posted on 06/29/2007 9:25:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: TigerLikesRooster; DaveLoneRanger
Trees.

Made of wood

Covered by lava while still standing

And they say that creationism stretches credibility!

8 posted on 06/29/2007 9:28:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Trees.
Made of wood
Covered by lava while still standing

- Yup - no ashes or cindering - in fact the picture shows bark on the out side of the hunk hes holding


9 posted on 06/29/2007 9:33:10 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: dmz

Dem is shur sum heat pruf treez.


10 posted on 06/29/2007 9:33:45 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

now you know they cannot PROVE it to be 15 million years right ?


11 posted on 06/29/2007 9:36:15 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Someone just found Algore’s ancestral home!


12 posted on 06/29/2007 9:36:50 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Bush has replaced the Liberty Bell with the Taco Bell!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Thanks TLR.

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13 posted on 06/29/2007 9:36:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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14 posted on 06/29/2007 9:37:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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To: ShadowAce
Trees. Made of wood

Covered by lava while still standing

And they say that creationism stretches credibility!

There are lots of different kinds flows that come from volcanoes. Some are hot. Some are cold. Some are heavy, some are light and fluffy.

15 posted on 06/29/2007 9:37:37 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: green iguana

Any Spotted Owls found yet?


16 posted on 06/29/2007 9:41:10 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Revelation 911

I believe we must remember the “fire triangle” here when wondering “Why, if trees covered by lava, would they still have their bark?”

To have combustion, one must have 3 elements: A heat source (the lava), fuel (the bark) and oxygen (not present if the trees were covered quickly by the lava; the lack of oxygen is further shown by the presence of the wood itself, for if there was sufficient oxygen to consume the bark, the entire tree would’ve been consumed).

To deny that these trees are surrounded by lava would be to deny basic geological practices that can determine what kind of rock a rock is. Thus, we must conclude they were covered by a “flood of lava”, not a flood of water. The presence of the bark is inconsequential and fully explainable by the logic above.


17 posted on 06/29/2007 9:42:17 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
How cool is this!?
18 posted on 06/29/2007 9:44:31 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: ShadowAce

Don’t get too excited, it looks like they were covered by ash and cinder to me.


19 posted on 06/29/2007 9:45:11 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: fish hawk
"Any Spotted Owls found yet?"

Not yet but I'm sure someone is working on a reason why he must be stopped.

20 posted on 06/29/2007 9:46:23 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: FourtySeven

Most of what you say is correct. I do have one question though—if they were buried by lava as fast as you (and the article) claim, why are they all still standing? That much lava moving that fast would knock most—if not all—of those trees down.


21 posted on 06/29/2007 9:46:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
I don’t know much about these things but what if the lava fell vertically from the sky? Not impossible.
22 posted on 06/29/2007 9:48:50 AM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: ShadowAce

Indeed, a good question, and I imagine that’s why this is such a remarkable find. However, simply because we may not understand the exact mechanics of the preservation, doesn’t mean we should throw out facts in evidence. The facts clearly show the rocks surrounding the petrified forest are volcanic in nature. Thus, we cannot conclude they were burried by a great watery flood, for if they were, the rocks would be sedimentary in nature.

Possible answer to the question posed though is, that a nearby volcano spat out hot ash and similar hot volcanic rocks that quickly covered a surrounding forest, quickly enough that even oxidation (fire) could not occur due to the lack of oxygen in the local atmosphere. Think Pompeii on an even grander and quicker scale.


23 posted on 06/29/2007 9:51:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: dangerdoc

Ash and cinder fall slowly enough to allow the trees to burn.


24 posted on 06/29/2007 9:52:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

These “trees” only appear to be 15 million years old because we all know the Earth is only 6000 years old...


25 posted on 06/29/2007 9:54:37 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: Revelation 911
Looks like a pyroclastic(sp) flow to me, not lava.
26 posted on 06/29/2007 9:57:09 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid. It's also WWIV.)
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To: Manic_Episode

for your reading pleasure ...

http://www.uhh.hawaii.edu/~kenhon/GEOL205/flows/default.htm

See especially the “Lava Trees and Tree Moulds” section, wherein the following statement can be found “Lava trees and tree moulds are closely related phenomena. Both form when high volume surface flows engulf a forest. As shown in the sketch on the left, a flow initially surrounds the trunk of a tree and chills. This not only insulates the tree and prevents it from burning,...”


27 posted on 06/29/2007 9:57:42 AM PDT by dmz
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To: blam; fish hawk
Well just look at that top picture. I see Spotted Owls galore! That is a pristine environment overflowing with an abundance of flora and fauna that exist only there (and possibly on Mars.) Something must be done to stop this man!!!
28 posted on 06/29/2007 9:58:34 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: FourtySeven
doesn’t mean we should throw out facts in evidence.

Contrary to what many may read into my posts, I am not throwing out the facts. I don't dispute any physical facts shown here.

However, I believe that science tends to dismiss or ignore possibilities simply because they don't agree with those possibilities.

Think Pompeii on an even grander and quicker scale.

While Pompeii holds many preserved buildings and people, I don't believe (correct me if I'm mistaken) that any vegetation is preserved in the same way. Ash may fall and cover things--but not fast enough to prevent burning. Look at the recent Mt. St. Helens explosion. The speed of that explosion was enough to flatten the forests around for miles.

Again--I'm not saying I know what happened here. But I am saying that science doesn't know either, and the proclamation of their guess is premature at best, and totally wrong at worst. I'm guessing somewhere in the middle.

29 posted on 06/29/2007 10:00:07 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dmz

Cool, I wonder if those are 15 million years old too?


30 posted on 06/29/2007 10:01:14 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: The Louiswu

So everything we can see in the universe must be closer to us than 6000 light years?


31 posted on 06/29/2007 10:03:09 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Impossible! Every sane person knows the Earth is only 6,000 years old.


32 posted on 06/29/2007 10:09:06 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Very cool. Google up Specimen Ridge in Yellowstone for a much more extensive buried forest. I was amazed when I saw it in field camp. There are lots of trees still standing like the day the ash fell.


33 posted on 06/29/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by doodad
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Fascinating story. Clyde is interesting too.

Fifteen million year old hickory trees, but no petrified hickory nuts? Maybe the petrified squirrels got ‘em?


34 posted on 06/29/2007 10:13:55 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ShadowAce
Again--I'm not saying I know what happened here. But I am saying that science doesn't know either, and the proclamation of their guess is premature at best, and totally wrong at worst. I'm guessing somewhere in the middle.

I agree science doesn't know exactly what happened. The only point to my posts were to answer some other charges that were made that this was caused by a worldwide flood, simply because bark was left on the trees. As I showed, simply because bark was left on the trees is not evidence of a flood because:

1. There are cases (see other posts) of trees being quickly covered by lava without being completely consumed and also, in Pompeii, what was observed was that the hot ash and toxic gasses discharged by the volcano displaced breathable air, not at a rate where oxidation (fire) did not occur, but thousands of people did suffocate. Thus, it's not unreasonable to hypothesize that if this phenomenon occurred "on a grander and quicker scale" that oxygen would be displaced fast enough to deprive the fire triangle of oxygen, thus also preserving the bark.

2. And this is more important, that if these trees were buried in a world wide flood of water, then the rocks surrounding them would be sedimentary not igneous in nature. This is the key piece of evidence that any reasonable person must step back and say, "Yes, clearly this isn't evidence of a world wide flood. We may not know exactly how it happened, but there's no way it was caused by water".

Note for the record, I'm not saying you were claiming a world wide flood, but the original post I responded to was implying this.

35 posted on 06/29/2007 10:24:45 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Revelation 911

Dear Rev,

Consider that ash often precedes lava, and that a small amount of ash might, just might, have prevented bark combusion.

Not to mention that the bark on the outside might well have been thick enough to protect the rest of the tree.

And, was the encasing rock molten or did it solidify in place around the tree?

I ask these questions because the evos versus the crevos bit seems to go nowhere.


36 posted on 06/29/2007 10:28:44 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: ShadowAce

“I don’t believe (correct me if I’m mistaken) that any vegetation is preserved in the same way.”

Granted that the volcanic events were different in some ways at Pompeii, but the basics are similar. Perhaps your confusion lies in “vegetation is preserved”. The trees were fossilized, not preserved as organic material.


37 posted on 06/29/2007 10:34:40 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Volcanic ash is not the same a lava. Molten lava will burn just about anything organic. You do not find large, standing sections of tree trunks in lava deposits.
Volcanic ash, on the other hand, can be either hot or cooled. If the latter, it can bury anything. There are numerous repeated deposits of ash preserving covered forest in Yellowstone Park.
I would like to know who identified the wood as “hickory.” Was this an expert’s opinion, or the word of some guy who accidentally ran into the fossils with a bull-dozer? Identifying fossil wood is not a simple matter, and there are few good books on the subject — and there is much folklore.
As for people who believe that the Earth is but a few thousand years old, your scientific knowledge is really pitiful. Not only that, but your understanding of the Bible is less than one would expect from an adult, Sorry about that.


38 posted on 06/29/2007 10:47:00 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“He extracted it in pieces and put it in storage, thinking it could be worth something someday. Then he went back to leveling the hill — until he hit the second tree. It was the same height as the first, but thicker. The third tree was identical, but the fourth took his breath away: 20 inches in diameter.

“I thought, ‘One more tree and that’s the end,’ “ Friend says. “But after one, there’d be another one right behind. I haven’t found the end yet.”

Friend spent the rest of the summer, and much of the last five years, unearthing what scientists have since confirmed as an ancient hardwood forest that was buried under lava about 15 million years ago. The 2-acre hill, Friend learned, was a giant mound of volcanic rock known as basalt.”

Five years from now, when this guy gets to the bottom of the pile, we’ll be reading a story about a dumbfounded bull dozer operator finding a fossilzed grader with a wiry little shrunken man behind the wheel.


39 posted on 06/29/2007 10:47:22 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: samadams2000

Yeah, he washed up and got a manicure for the photog.


40 posted on 06/29/2007 10:48:27 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: samadams2000

“His hands tell another great story.”

Yeah, definitely not strangers to hard work, are they?


41 posted on 06/29/2007 10:49:10 AM PDT by beelzepug ("One should never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: dmz

How long does it take for a tree to fossilize when buried in molten rock?


42 posted on 06/29/2007 10:50:01 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: ShadowAce

No oxygen, no flame.


43 posted on 06/29/2007 10:50:39 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: GladesGuru
The trees were fossilized, not preserved as organic material.

True--immediately? If not, then they were preserved--if only for a while.

44 posted on 06/29/2007 10:53:24 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Old Professer

not a clue.


45 posted on 06/29/2007 10:53:26 AM PDT by dmz
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How long before this find is twisted and tortured to fit the Global Warming mythology.

I’d say before the weekend is over.

“Al Gore and a consensus, blue-ribbon panel of scientists, blue cite new evidence from Washington state.....”


46 posted on 06/29/2007 10:56:44 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How long before this find is twisted and tortured to fit the Global Warming mythology.

I’d say before the weekend is over.

“Al Gore and a consensus, blue-ribbon panel of scientists, blue cite new evidence from Washington state.....”


47 posted on 06/29/2007 10:56:53 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: reagan_fanatic
Someone just found Algore’s ancestral home!

Actually, I think they found some of his ancestors.

48 posted on 06/29/2007 10:59:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: ShadowAce
Trees. Made of wood. Covered by lava while still standing And they say that creationism stretches credibility!

A journalist.

Using the English language.

Writes a sentence and it makes no sense at all.

What is so incredible about that?

After Mount Saint Helens erupted in Washington State, there was little "lava" as is seen in Hawaiian volcanic eruptions.

However, tens of thousands of acres and the trees and the wooden buildings on them were completely or partially buried by volcanic ash and silt.

So it was with the trees in that petrified forest. The buried portions of the trees were protected by the solidified ash and silt and were preserved by petrification. The portions of the trees that were not buried rotted away 15 million years ago.

49 posted on 06/29/2007 11:02:44 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: docbnj
You do not find large, standing sections of tree trunks in lava deposits.

You might want to go look at the pictures of 'lava trees' in the link at post 27. Apparently trees can remain quite intact in a lava flow.

50 posted on 06/29/2007 11:05:03 AM PDT by green iguana
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