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Cops vs. Skaters: Video of Skater Arrest Leads to Investigation
ABC News ^ | 06/29/2007 | MARY KATE BURKE

Posted on 06/29/2007 11:42:03 AM PDT by Sleeping Freeper

June 21 was Go Skateboarding Day across the United States. But for skater Matt McCormack and handful of others in Hot Springs, Ark., celebrating the unofficial holiday by hopping on their boards landed them behind bars and under house arrest.

According to the skaters, Police Officer Joey Williams used excessive force in apprehending them for violating a city ordinance against skateboarding on the street. They have circulated a video of the incident on YouTube that has garnered almost a million views since it was posted June 25 and landed Williams at the center of an internal misconduct investigation and on paid leave from his post.

Caught on Tape McCormack, 21, who shot the video and posted it on YouTube, told ABC News that he always carries a digital camera while skating, as he is gathering material for a local skate shop and feels particularly fortunate to have caught this incident.

"On YouTube you can see [Williams] choking the 13-year-old girl," McCormack said. "I think it's wrong. He was calling us thugs, but if you think about it, we were a whole bunch of kids and none of us had any drugs on us or anything like that. That's not that thuggish."

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Sometimes I feel bad for the cops.... If he used too much force then he deserves dicipline....especially with a 13 year old girl... but the videos don't always tell the whole story....
1 posted on 06/29/2007 11:42:04 AM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: Sleeping Freeper

To be honest, I sympathize with the kids. The cop absolutely did not have to use any force at all, not to mention the extent to which he took the situation. The video showed him double-headlocking two kids, a boy and a girl. Completely inappropriate, even under the circumstances.


2 posted on 06/29/2007 11:44:36 AM PDT by justt bloomin ("Political correctness is really the only form of hate speech." Mike Adams, UNC-W)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

3 posted on 06/29/2007 11:45:42 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Obviously, somebody has been watching “Will Traveler” with a little too much enthusiasm.


4 posted on 06/29/2007 11:47:43 AM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
There is absolutely no reason to be choking some young kid (boy or girl) because they were skateboarding.

Utter foolishness by some thug cop who likely wouldn't have the stones to handle a real serious situation. Those honorable type officers would never see the need to behave like such with a 13yr old girl.

5 posted on 06/29/2007 11:48:03 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Sleeping Freeper

I saw the video, the guy obviously was on a power trip, but they most definitely interfered with the officer. If you run from a cop, you will get taken down, no matter who you are, and 13 year old girls can carry knives or other weapons as easily as a boy. A written reprimand is in order and move on.


6 posted on 06/29/2007 11:50:04 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Gee, I am just so shocked to see a cop pummeling the citizenry. Frickin losers with a badge. The 60% of the bad cops give the decent 40% a really bad name.


7 posted on 06/29/2007 11:50:15 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: SubGeniusX

I agree skate boarding is no crime..however, it is posted every where.. NO skateboarding. No bike riding, no roller blading. No skating... NO swimming, it is no wonder our kids are obese.... Even climbing trees out here on the left coast can get you in trouble..


8 posted on 06/29/2007 11:52:22 AM PDT by JoanneSD (Illegals represented without taxation.. Citizens taxed without representation)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Those kids need to realize that one day, they’re skateboarding; the next day, they’re dancing in a honky-tonk. Next thing you know, they’re breaking the Sabbath.


9 posted on 06/29/2007 11:52:57 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: JoanneSD
Even climbing trees out here on the left coast can get you in trouble..

No kidding? I climbed every tree in my yard and my grandparent's yard by the time I was 10. Much to the chagrin of my parents and grandparents.
10 posted on 06/29/2007 11:53:50 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Socialism: a system based on how people should be. Capitalism: a system based on how they really are)
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To: domenad
A written reprimand is in order and move on.

Which will be lost on a guy with a power trip.
Dock his pay 30% for a month. That will communicate the message.
11 posted on 06/29/2007 11:54:58 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Socialism: a system based on how people should be. Capitalism: a system based on how they really are)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Cops using excessive force???? Never!


12 posted on 06/29/2007 11:55:40 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: SubGeniusX

“Skateboarding is not a crime.”

It is when it endangers pedestrians, destroys public and or private property and creates a health hazard when they’re too stinking lazy to skate home or somewhere else to pee.


13 posted on 06/29/2007 11:55:44 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: SubGeniusX

If skateboarding is not a crime, then why all the “No Skateboarding” signs?


14 posted on 06/29/2007 11:57:40 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Sleeping Freeper

I guess now we know why the cops don’t like people videotaping them.


15 posted on 06/29/2007 12:00:08 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Yeah, I’m sure it’s tough to be called a man when you’re being videotaped putting a chokehold on a 13 year old girl. Seriously, where’s the pride....


16 posted on 06/29/2007 12:09:52 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: SubGeniusX

Nobody was arrested for skateboarding.


17 posted on 06/29/2007 12:12:04 PM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Well, ya got trouble, my friend.
Right here, I say trouble right here in River City
Why, sure, I’m a billiard player
Certainly mighty proud to say,
I’m always mighty proud to say it
I consider the hours I spend with a cue in my hand are golden
Help you cultivate horse sense and a cool head and a keen eye
Didja ever take an’ try an’ give an iron clad leave
to yourself from a three-rail billiard shot?
But just as I say it takes judgement, brains and maturity
to score in a balk-line game
I say that any boob can take and shove a ball in a pocket
And I call that sloth,
the first big step on the road to the depths of degreda-
I say, first- medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
then beer from a bottle
And the next thing you know your son is playin’
for money in a pinchback suit
and listenin’ to some big out-o’-town jasper
Hear him tell about horserace gamblin’
Not a wholesome trottin’ race, no,
but a race where they set down right on the horse
Like to see some stuck up jockey boy sittin’ on Dan Patch?
Make your blood boil, well I should say
Now, folks, let me show you what I mean
You got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table
Pockets that mark the difference between a gentleman and a bum
With a capital ‘B’ and that rhymes with ‘P’ and that stands for ‘pool’


18 posted on 06/29/2007 12:19:50 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: justt bloomin

This happened about 400 yards from where I now sit. Several local merchants and others witnessed the event, and their account of the incident differs significantly from the accounts given by the skateboarders. In this, as in other videotaped episodes, the camera does not see all. The episode which was shown on youtube was edited and posted by the skateboarders themselves (remember how only the worst few seconds of the infamous Rodney King video was shown in the media for months before the trial to “inflame” the community?). Also, the “kids” were warned by the officer minutes earlier not to skateboard on the sidewalk and were “running tourists off of the sidewalk” and “flipping people off” who questioned them. A 71 year old community service police officer was injured in this incident, and the “kids” were described by numereous witnesses as “egging on” and “taunting” the officer. Further, they admitted knowing that they were not supposed to be skateboarding on the sidewalk. The downtown merchants association has come out solidly behind the officer and his account. In this, as in any use of force situation, its best to let the investigation be completed before jumping to any conclusions based upon a questionable online video.


19 posted on 06/29/2007 12:20:41 PM PDT by colt1911
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To: SubGeniusX

“Skateboarding is not a crime.”

It may not be a crime, but if a skateboarder is injured doing his/her thing on your property or on the property of a business - you and/or the business owner is liable. We have to constantly keep them off school property (before and after school) as they try to “skate” down the steel handrail of our concrete stairs. If they are injured on school property - the school district is liable.


20 posted on 06/29/2007 12:24:29 PM PDT by Nevadan (nevadan)
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To: ozzymandus
If skateboarding is not a crime, then why all the “No Skateboarding” signs?

Most cities have banned teenagers.

21 posted on 06/29/2007 12:25:01 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: Sleeping Freeper

ABC really smoothed that one out. seems they left out a few details.

Police spokesman McCrary Means identified two of those arrested as McCormack, 21, and Skylar Nalls, 19, both of Hot Springs. McCormack faces a misdemeanor battery charge after allegedly pushing or striking a 67-year-old city employee during the altercation, Means said. Nalls was cited for skateboarding and faces misdemeanor charges of fleeing and obstructing governmental operations.

Four juveniles involved in the incident also face skateboarding citations and resisting arrest charges, Means said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070627/ap_on_re_us/skateboarders_police_video


22 posted on 06/29/2007 12:26:39 PM PDT by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: colt1911

“Several local merchants and others witnessed the event, and their account of the incident differs significantly from the accounts given by the skateboarders. In this, as in other videotaped episodes, the camera does not see all.” ....

This is what I suspected may have happened....


23 posted on 06/29/2007 12:26:48 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: Wolfie
I guess now we know why the cops don’t like people videotaping them.

So when is the videographer going to prison for an illegal wire tap?

Our Masters don't like being challenged, don't you know?

24 posted on 06/29/2007 12:32:42 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: gunservative

Great idea! I’m getting really tired of swerving around female teenage drivers with cell phones stuck to their heads.


25 posted on 06/29/2007 12:34:17 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JoanneSD

Kind of the point isn’t it? No this, No that. Nanny State to the rescue. Keep you safe, Save You.

LEAVE ME ALONE.

I do not need ‘keeping’. My Gov’t is not composed of my Betters.


26 posted on 06/29/2007 12:38:08 PM PDT by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: JoanneSD
Even climbing trees out here on the left coast can get you in trouble.

Don't be silly. All one has to do is change one's name to Moonbeam or Antelope and climb a redwood. Stay up there a few weeks and you become a cultural icon.

27 posted on 06/29/2007 12:41:59 PM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
Just watched the video. ZERO justification for the JBT behavior.

I ever see that and I'd attempt to affect a Citizens Arrest against the out of control LEO for Deprivation of Civil rights under Color of Law and Assault.

28 posted on 06/29/2007 12:42:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
This is what I suspected may have happened..

What would that be?

29 posted on 06/29/2007 12:42:49 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Nevadan
If they are injured on school property - the school district is liable.

The root cause of the problem here is the Jackass judges who would even consider the school remotely liable. Someone riding a skate board should assume all responsibility for their actions. The public should be no more liable for a skateboarder than they would be for a skydiver landing on a school yard.

30 posted on 06/29/2007 12:44:10 PM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: JamesP81

Can’t say I disagree.


31 posted on 06/29/2007 12:46:38 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: swmobuffalo

we were a whole bunch of kids ....
This guy is 21, is that still a kid, or a case of arrested development?


32 posted on 06/29/2007 12:47:53 PM PDT by Old North State
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To: Graycliff

no they were just harrassed...

and beat up ...


33 posted on 06/29/2007 12:49:00 PM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: dragnet2

what would what be?


34 posted on 06/29/2007 12:49:00 PM PDT by 70times7 (Sense... some don't make any, some don't have any - or so the former would appear to the latter.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
you can see [Williams] choking the 13-year-old girl," McCormack said

In regards to this incident, I think the LEO over reacted here. If the girl had robbed someone, or if this 13 year old girl had become violent, I could see this.

This one cop should have just arrested one of them if an arrest was justified, (send the message) instead of running all over the streets, tying to grab several of these young people. Looked bad.

35 posted on 06/29/2007 12:56:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Dead Corpse

Let me know how that works out for ‘ya......


36 posted on 06/29/2007 1:03:06 PM PDT by colt1911
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To: SubGeniusX

Actually, in that city it is a violation / crime!!!!

The part that landed the “kids” in trouble is the whole disobeying a police officer, resisting arrest, fleeing from a peace officer, interfering with a police officer, etc after the officer told them to stop skating.

Those are crimes and they got what they deserve. I do like how the video does not “show” anything leading up to the use of force.

Maybe the kids parents should teach them to actually respect the law ?


37 posted on 06/29/2007 1:05:11 PM PDT by Zothen123
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To: colt1911
I'm sure it'd make the news.

A bit like the road-raging off-duty rookie up here who tried to point a gun at a legal CW permit holders wife. Got shot for his idiocy.

38 posted on 06/29/2007 1:08:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Zothen123
Maybe the "law" should be worthy of respect first. Some laws, are made only to create more classes of criminals.

If these kids were causing damage, get them for that. Just arresting them a priori of any real victim is Nanny State fascism writ large.

39 posted on 06/29/2007 1:09:50 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Admit it. You’re the preacher from Footloose. :p


40 posted on 06/29/2007 1:12:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Nearly 1% of illegals are in prison for felonies. Less than 1/10 of 1% of the legal population is.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Maybe the "law" should be worthy of respect first. Some laws, are made only to create more classes of criminals.

If these kids were causing damage, get them for that. Just arresting them a priori of any real victim is Nanny State fascism writ large.

You mean wait for them to break the leg of an old person or young child?

41 posted on 06/29/2007 1:13:43 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Yes.

Same as it would be for the wanna-be Lance Armstrong types or anyone else.

42 posted on 06/29/2007 1:15:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

I don’t particularly care for skateboarding. Nevertheless, skating in a posted area is, at best, a public nuisance, not a violent crime. Officer Unfriendly could have told them all to beat it, or called their folks, or simply written them all tickets. Instead, he had to be SuperCop and rough the kids up, “tactical style”, for what must be no more than a misdemeanor crime at worst.

Well, I’ve known a zillion cops just like him, and I hope those kids’ families sue him into oblivion.


43 posted on 06/29/2007 1:21:29 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Always the police get a paid leave when they do this kind of crap.
If you beat someone down like this you’d go to jail, WIth no pay.
“landed Williams at the center of an internal misconduct investigation and on paid leave from his post.”


44 posted on 06/29/2007 1:24:18 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Dead Corpse
That’s a novel approach to law, but I don’t believe that it’s the one that has been established over the centuries. Laws are sometimes irritating, but to most people it sure beats chaos. I think most of us learn from a young age to subordinate our wills to the law of our parents and are thus adjusted to the fact that we can’t always tdo everything we want in the way that we want. It appears that these skateboarders needed that reminder.
45 posted on 06/29/2007 1:27:02 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: B-Chan

“Officer Unfriendly could have told them all to beat it”

He did. Minutes before the viedotaped incident. They chose to ignore him (and the law) and continue their behavior. See my earlier post #18 above.

Would you feel the same if your 3 year old had been run over and had an arm/leg broken(or worse, forced into the busy street and hit by traffic) by these “kids”?


46 posted on 06/29/2007 1:27:45 PM PDT by colt1911
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Having watched the videotape, the cop overreacted, but he was basically surrounded by the uncooperative and in some respects harassing kids. He shouldn’t have gone that far, but its not as bad as the internets are making it out to be.


47 posted on 06/29/2007 1:41:17 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: domenad

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2458063


48 posted on 06/29/2007 1:44:02 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: domenad

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2458063


49 posted on 06/29/2007 1:44:06 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

What I’m learning here is that cops can get away with shooting soldiers, choking skateboarders, slamming women against cars and arresting them when their father is in the emergency room with a coronary, and making a mother with a baby miss her flight and clean up the floor at the airport, and there are people here who think that’s all okay because the cops can not do wrong.


50 posted on 06/29/2007 1:45:15 PM PDT by herMANroberts
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