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Retired Marine Is Top Gun At Sub Shop (Subway Owner Hails Best Customer's Actions Alert)
Miami Herald ^ | 06/29/2007 | Erika Beras And Jennifer Lebovich

Posted on 06/30/2007 3:34:20 AM PDT by goldstategop

The night started like many for John Lovell, a 71-year-old ex-Marine and helicopter pilot who served two presidents. Late dinner alone at a Plantation Subway shop -- veggie sub, soda, oatmeal cookie.

Wednesday night, though, Lovell's meal was interrupted by an armed robbery. Two gunmen stormed into the sandwich shop at about 11 p.m., robbed the cashier and tried to shove Lovell -- the lone customer -- into the bathroom. Two bullets later, one gunman was dead, another was wounded and Lovell was being hailed as a hero.

''There's no such thing as an ex-Marine, and he typifies this,'' said longtime friend Wesley White.

''What he did last night was unbelievable Samaritan spirit,'' said shop owner Khalid Malik.

Lovell already was a great customer at the Jacaranda Square Subway, Malik said: He comes by almost every night, slides into a back booth and orders the six-inch veggie sub, cookie and soft drink. But now, said Malik, ``I love him a lot more.''

No one could find Lovell on Thursday. But when he shows up again, Malik said, the hero will have free heroes at the shop for life.

The Subway video surveillance cameras, which the owner had installed only a week ago -- ''just to be on the safe side'' -- caught the whole drama.

The robbers got Lovell's money. But Lovell, who neighbors and friends say is in tiptop shape and looks years younger than he really is, pulled out his handgun and shot both in the head.

Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale, was critically wounded.

The front window was blown out and cash strewn around the shop.

''There were fives and rolls of coins everywhere,'' said Detective Robert Rettig of the Plantation Police Department.

Rettig said Lovell, who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, is not expected to be charged. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Rettig said.

Reporters and television crews clustered Thursday outside Lovell's two-story town house in Plantation, hoping for an interview. He didn't show.

CLEAN-LIVING

Friends said Lovell is amicable and soft-spoken, doesn't drink or smoke, and is a no-nonsense kind of guy.

''There's no BS with him,'' said White, of Yulee. 'You could compare him to Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry. But because of his lifestyle, he's like `Clean Harry.' ''

Neighbors and friends said he is unmarried, drives a Corvette and sometimes is away for long periods of time. A neighbor collected his mail Thursday.

At one point during his Marine career, the Kentucky native served as a pilot for presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. After retiring from the Corps, he became a pilot for Delta and Pan Am.

Bryan Sklar, who serves on the Townhouses at Jacaranda board with Lovell, said he is a straight-up guy.

''I've seen pictures of him with John F. Kennedy,'' Sklar said.

After the holdup Wednesday night, the suspects were transported to Broward General Medical Center, where Arrindell was later pronounced dead. Gadson, listed Thursday night in serious condition, faces armed robbery charges. And because someone was killed during the crime, he also will be charged with murder, authorities said.

BEST FRIENDS

The two young men were longtime best friends and roommates in North Lauderdale, Arrindell's grandfather, Meanwell Prince, said Thursday.

''My grandson was a good child,'' he said.

The last time he spoke to his grandson was shortly before the robbery. At 10:50 p.m. Prince called his grandson, who told him to leave the door unlocked because he would be home soon.

The next morning, Prince awoke to find police at his door.

Prince was shocked to learn what had happened.

''What could possess them to do this?'' Prince said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Florida
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Stand-up guy. The Plantation Subway owner said John Lovell is a great customer. Comes by nearly every night to order off the menu. Says he loves him even more after he took down two armed perps. What a great review, eh? Castle Doctrine Bump!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 06/30/2007 3:34:26 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

ping


2 posted on 06/30/2007 3:37:49 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Here is a better take on the story you posted a couple days ago.


3 posted on 06/30/2007 3:40:59 AM PDT by RhoTheta ("We're expecting another 8-12 inches of global warming today.")
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To: goldstategop
Hope somebody can post the video!

Semper Fi

4 posted on 06/30/2007 3:43:57 AM PDT by USMCVet
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To: Nailbiter

Well, I am going to quit making fun of vegetarians after this one.....good show by the Marine...


5 posted on 06/30/2007 3:44:56 AM PDT by padre35 (Quod autem isti dicunt non interponendi vos bello)
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To: goldstategop

I don’t know, something doesn’t sound right about this story. I mean, the guy said his grandson was a “good child”. And with a name like Donicio, he sounds like a pretty nice kid.


6 posted on 06/30/2007 3:47:11 AM PDT by Krankor (kROGER)
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To: goldstategop
''What could possess them to do this?'' Prince said.

Probable possessors

1) Satan
2)Thug Life Attitude

7 posted on 06/30/2007 3:53:29 AM PDT by csvset
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To: csvset

3) All of the above.


8 posted on 06/30/2007 3:55:28 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: padre35

I missed the veggie part, more impressed by the ruthless way he dispatched the perps. Wish we all had the right to CCW


9 posted on 06/30/2007 4:00:12 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: csvset

Its possible they were just collecting money for church, isn’t it?

/sarc

Shot them both in the head! Hows that for a Jared diet?


10 posted on 06/30/2007 4:01:32 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: goldstategop
Great story...Sempher Fi. Rettig said Lovell, who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, is not expected to be charged. ''He was in fear for his life,'' Rettig said.

Great case for conceal carry. Which we don't have here in Wis. dangit! But we're trying.

11 posted on 06/30/2007 4:04:36 AM PDT by madconserv (Jesus take the wheel- Dream ticket- Thompson\Hunter)
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To: All

The man is a hero in every way. Thank God for the Marines. Just wish more Americans like him were out there. Oohrah from one Marine to another. I have my permit to carry here in Pa but hope I never have to use it, but if I have I will......

Support our troops and the 2nd amendment...... God Bless


12 posted on 06/30/2007 4:08:54 AM PDT by JarhedAirmanPatriot (Oohrah, Semper Fi and God Bless Our Troops)
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To: goldstategop

But Lovell, who neighbors and friends say is in tiptop shape and looks years younger than he really is

That’s an understatement. On the site below, they have a picture of the guy (in the video portion).

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbsubway0629nbjun29,0,1772093.story


13 posted on 06/30/2007 4:19:48 AM PDT by Sapper26 (Quondo Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: goldstategop; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...
No one could find Lovell on Thursday. But when he shows up again, Malik said, the hero will have free heroes at the shop for life.

Freedom isn't free. Heroes always pick up the tab. But not in this case.

14 posted on 06/30/2007 4:24:31 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: goldstategop

i love a good heart warming story.


15 posted on 06/30/2007 4:32:01 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: goldstategop
Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale, was critically wounded.

Too bad the ambulance could not of driven to the hospital any slower. Would of helped save the hospitals resources.

16 posted on 06/30/2007 4:35:44 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Nailbiter

Depends on what state you live in...According to the government...

But as far as I can tell you have the right already...

What state do you live in BTW...


17 posted on 06/30/2007 4:37:38 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: padre35; Eaker; humblegunner; thackney; Squantos; GulfBreeze; weegee; wolfcreek; Allegra

Yeah, and the other part about him being in fear for his life...

Marine...Fear...

They just don’t go together...Doesn’t compute...


18 posted on 06/30/2007 4:40:43 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64

IL, thanks to king Richard and his minions, impossible to get CCW.


19 posted on 06/30/2007 4:46:18 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Sapper26
From the story.

But Gadson's grandmother, Rosa Jones, said: "He ain't no hero. He is a murderer and God will serve justice."

She and her husband, Ivory Jones, pastor of a Fort Lauderdale church, sat on their front porch in Fort Lauderdale on Thursday wondering how a man could shoot two people and not go to jail.

They said their grandson sometimes hung with the wrong crowd but never got into legal trouble. According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, he has no arrest record. They said Gadson, who never finished high school, got tired of low-wage jobs and was pursuing his GED.

Yo Granny, how can two thugs go around robbing people?

They can until they meet up with an armed citizen. He put an end to his criminal career.

20 posted on 06/30/2007 4:47:07 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Sapper26

The one problem I have is they refer to the dead and injured as suspects. IMO, they are thieves and not suspects.


21 posted on 06/30/2007 4:47:36 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Yeah, if there’s a video of the perps robbing the place, how can they claim they’re “ suspects” ?


22 posted on 06/30/2007 4:49:36 AM PDT by csvset
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To: stevie_d_64

I agrre we have the right, but has been superceded by gun grabbers in state govt.
King richie has never met a gun restriction law he did not like.


23 posted on 06/30/2007 4:51:06 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: goldstategop

“The robbers got Lovell’s money. But Lovell, who neighbors and friends say is in tiptop shape and looks years younger than he really is, pulled out his handgun and shot both in the head.”

Outstanding performance under pressure.

He was being led into a bathroom. If you read any stories of armed robberies, that’s a sure sign bad things are in store for the victim.


24 posted on 06/30/2007 4:51:24 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny
Yep. I'm glad he didn't think twice. They would have killed every one so he fired first. Given the circumstances, he had no alternative. Thank heaven the customers and employees are alive and one of the perps is dead. To me, that's a righteous deed!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 06/30/2007 4:56:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Another “good kid” who was “getting his life together” and who was “well liked in school” is dead, and another
‘aspiring Rap singer” who like cars is near death do a incident of an error in young live cut short. Both shot by guns. Guns that roam the streets. Killed by a anti-social misfit who only knows a life of robotic killing under the orders of our sick, warped military/industrial war machine. One would of lived if we had good, Swedish health car. And nice, 2 weeks post birth to graduate school free education. Oh and free mental health care. And only PBS on television, radio and the Internet. I’m sure there is a violent male in these kids immediate family.

...........................................
(Just thought I’d save anybody the trouble of going to DU, Salon, ect and reading their posts.)


26 posted on 06/30/2007 4:56:35 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: stevie_d_64
Yeah, and the other part about him being in fear for his life...

Marine...Fear...

They just don’t go together...Doesn’t compute...

Everybody experiences fear from time to time in one's life.

It's how a person reacts to the fear that defines him/her.

This man reacted like a true Marine. Heroically.

27 posted on 06/30/2007 4:56:36 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: goldstategop

“Donicio Arrindell, 22, of North Lauderdale died. Fredrick Gadson, 21, of Fort Lauderdale, was critically wounded.”

It would NOT offend me if gadson dies a slow, painful and miserable death. If he survives his wounds, perhaps a drooling diaper-wearing “stump-head” would serve the publics best interest... supported 100% of course by the slime that brought this demon into the world!

LLS


28 posted on 06/30/2007 4:58:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Sapper26

Wow........looks MUCH younger than his years. Kudos to him for his quick action.


29 posted on 06/30/2007 4:59:23 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: csvset

grampa and grandma need “burnin’ out! ENABLERS OF EVIL!!!

LLS


30 posted on 06/30/2007 5:01:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: goldstategop; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro; Lijahsbubbe; Lurker
''My grandson was a good child,'' he said.

Yeah, so is every other perp. Don't let reality slap you upside the head or anything...

31 posted on 06/30/2007 5:01:27 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Allegra
While being lead into the room by the enemy the ex Marine’s heroic selfpreservasion and public preservation instincts took over and...
32 posted on 06/30/2007 5:08:09 AM PDT by madconserv (Jesus take the wheel- Dream ticket- Thompson\Hunter)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Pastor's wife, schmastor's wife...

Get real granny, the punk met an armed citizen who wasn't cowered by a two bit punk.

The look on the punk's face when he realized that his potential victim had drawn a .45 .... Priceless.

33 posted on 06/30/2007 5:13:45 AM PDT by csvset
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To: LibLieSlayer
... If he survives his wounds, perhaps a drooling diaper-wearing “stump-head” would serve the publics best interest... supported 100% of course by the slime that brought this demon into the world!

Better yet, make him a prop and parade him around to schools as an 'example' to others who might consider going down his path.
34 posted on 06/30/2007 5:21:11 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: goldstategop

Technically, it is a Stand Your Ground bump, since Lovell didn’t own the place or work there.


35 posted on 06/30/2007 5:29:33 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: FreedomPoster; csvset

4) Stupid parents who let their kids get sucked into the thug life and wonder why he got shot when he was hanging around a guy with multiple arrests, including illegal carriage of concealed wepons.


36 posted on 06/30/2007 5:31:58 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: sig226
Well... if you a right to be lawfully in a place, you have no duty to retreat beforehand before defending yourself. That can be your car, your workplace, a restaurant, the bank or any place where you have a lawful presence. The Castle Doctrine covers more than just your home.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

37 posted on 06/30/2007 5:34:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

Just ONCE, I wish one of the relations of the thug would say, “Yeah, he was a bad kid. His mamma couldn’t do a thing with him. Everybody TOLD him he was gonna get into trouble runnin’ with those street thugs, but would he listen?”


38 posted on 06/30/2007 5:39:45 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: goldstategop
From /http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbsubway0629nbjun29,0,1772093.story:

"But Gadson's [the surviving perp's] grandmother, Rosa Jones, said: "He ain't no hero. He is a murderer and God will serve justice."

She and her husband, Ivory Jones, pastor of a Fort Lauderdale church, sat on their front porch in Fort Lauderdale on Thursday wondering how a man could shoot two people and not go to jail."

Unfortunately, this true hero could be facing a lawsuit. But at least he's getting a little top cover with the surviving perp being charged with murder - good law!! That should keep these scumbags busy for a while.

39 posted on 06/30/2007 5:43:27 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: Krankor

**chuckle**


40 posted on 06/30/2007 5:46:55 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: driftdiver

LOL! Jared should have him in a commercial immediately. Subway, shoot fresh!


41 posted on 06/30/2007 5:54:50 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: goldstategop

What is the sob story crap at the end of the article? Is this a new twist now that people no longer care about the poverty angle to diminish criminal acts? It’s like this final segment was part of a formula to introduce us all to the families, fun and future promise of young Mssr’s. Donicio and Fredrick.

Barf.


42 posted on 06/30/2007 5:59:01 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Now with an improved red neck!)
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To: freema

Yet another fine Marine one must stand at attention and smartly salute.


43 posted on 06/30/2007 5:59:26 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: goldstategop

Castle Doctrine in most places applies to a place you control by ownership, rent, agreement, or employment. Stand Your Ground applies anywhere you go. It’s a minor distinction, but if you get mugged on a city street, Castle Doctrine doesn’t apply because you do not have control over the area. Stand Your Ground changed it so that a person can use deadly force for defense anywhere that they have a legal right to be. Like I said, it’s a minor distinction, but it’s still important because some RTC states also have duty to retreat laws still in place.

In some states, if a mugger pulls a knife, you have a legal duty to attempt to escape before you can use force. In Stand Your Ground states, you can use deadly force as soon as you believe that your are in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

It also makes a difference on private property. New Jersey has a fairly decent Castle Doctrine, but it only applies to, “lands controlled by you.” Suppose you’re friends with your neighbor, Farmer Joe. Farmer Joe gives you permission to walk your dog in his fields. While there, you see your other neighbor, Drunken Trailer - Trash (a hyphenated American) stealing the parts from Farmer Joe’s tractor. You confront him and he threatens you, raising his wrench above his head to make it clear that he will use it as a weapon.

In New Jersey, you are not protected by the Castle Doctrine. You do not control the land. Stand Your Ground protects you from prosecution because you have a legal right to be there, and therefore you can answer his threat with deadly force.


44 posted on 06/30/2007 6:14:03 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: pttttt

Not in Florida, brother. He is absolutely immune.


45 posted on 06/30/2007 6:15:00 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: sig226
Not in Florida, brother. He is absolutely immune.

Absolutely immune is only true if the judge looks at the plaintiff's papers, says "NO!", shreds them and then has the bailiff give the plaintiff's lawyer a wedgie. Anything else means that the defendant will have to come up with cash and a lawyer to defend himself.

46 posted on 06/30/2007 6:19:07 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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To: Allegra
It's how a person reacts to the fear that defines him/her

Well said, ma'am.

"Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway." John Wayne

I'm a former Marine, and I can tell you without hesitation or equivocation that I do indeed feel fear.

Anyone who says they don't is either lying or insane. You don't want to work with that person in either case.

Stay safe.

L

47 posted on 06/30/2007 6:21:23 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: goldstategop
Gadson, listed Thursday night in serious condition, faces armed robbery charges. And because someone was killed during the crime, he also will be charged with murder, authorities said.

Can the hospital lust leave the IV attached to Gadson? Hopefully the Florida's justice system will find a use for it soon.

48 posted on 06/30/2007 6:21:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Under the Florida Stand Your Ground law, the judge has no choice but to do that. It won’t get past the depositions, if it even gets that far. The judge could toss it when it is filed. The police and prosecutor have decided that the case was self defense. Any lawyer that tries to bring such a case here will be laughed out of court.


49 posted on 06/30/2007 6:26:44 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: Leisler

Thanks, and can’t help but notice you saved yourself the trouble of going to spellchecker.com. Ciao.


50 posted on 06/30/2007 6:31:02 AM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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