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Japanese Defense Chief: Atomic Bombing 'Couldn't Be Helped'
FoxNews.com ^ | 6/30/2007 | AP

Posted on 06/30/2007 7:49:10 AM PDT by weef

TOKYO — Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma said the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan by the United States during World War II was an inevitable way to end the war, a news report said Saturday.

"I understand that the bombing ended the war, and I think that it couldn't be helped," Kyodo News agency quoted Kyuma as saying in a speech at a university in Chiba, just east of Tokyo.

Kyuma's remarks drew immediate criticism from Japanese atomic bomb survivors.

"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

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KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; geopolitics; hiroshima; history; japan; nagasaki; smithsonian; wwii
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Japan is a victim

Unbelievable...
1 posted on 06/30/2007 7:49:12 AM PDT by weef
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To: weef

Well said Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma. A voice of reason in Japan, where too many still won’t face the truth of WWII.


2 posted on 06/30/2007 7:51:36 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: weef

I think the defense minister got it right. Not the victim guy.

But most Japanese I know (when they talk about it) would agree with the defense minister.

I’m kinda dreaming of an Iranian defense minister twenty years from now saying, “Yeah, George Bush nuked us back in 2007, but it couldn’t be helped, ‘cause we were such islamonazi a$$holes back then”...


3 posted on 06/30/2007 7:52:31 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: weef

Hey,American lives are the only lives of value in a situation like the Pacific war. he should be happy we didn’t target the Imperial Palace when we easily could have.


4 posted on 06/30/2007 7:53:30 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (If there's lead in the air,there's hope.)
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To: weef

Scary is what it is. Tojo and his henchmen were evil on a par with Stalin and Hitler. Let no one forget.


5 posted on 06/30/2007 7:55:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: weef
It also saved the lives of approximately 11,000,000 Japanese. Plus over 1,000,000 Americans. And it allowed Japan to be a free country. The USSR may have decided to keep 1/2 after they entered the war if it had not ended when it did.

The winning of war means PEACE not negotiations which never have ended in peace.

6 posted on 06/30/2007 7:55:06 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: SolidWood
Kyuma also realizes that it not only saved millions of American lives, but millions of Japanese as well. There is a reason why Japan is one of the most prosperous countries and one of our closest allies.
7 posted on 06/30/2007 7:55:36 AM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: weef
Japan went to war -they got a war - we ended it!

Nuff said.

8 posted on 06/30/2007 7:56:30 AM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: weef

shikata ga nai, ne


9 posted on 06/30/2007 7:57:43 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: weef
"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking.

The Americans placed about as much value on Japanese lives as did Japan's military machine. If Miyake has a problem its with his own country's history.

10 posted on 06/30/2007 7:58:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: weef
"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

Uh...it also saved several MILLION Japnese lives. Japnan was a victim...a victim of its own leaders and a victim of themselves for engaging in such a war of conquest.

11 posted on 06/30/2007 7:58:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: SolidWood

they face the truth indirectly, they would NEVER wage war with America again.......


12 posted on 06/30/2007 7:59:31 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: mnehrling

Kyuma is right.


13 posted on 06/30/2007 7:59:43 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: weef

Stalin was to invade the northern part of Japan. So these wonderful oriental gentlemen ought to be thankful there is not a DMZ seperating South Japan from North Japan, and NJ is home to millions of backwards, poor, hideously underfed short commies eating pine cones for fun.


14 posted on 06/30/2007 8:00:05 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: AFreeBird
They called down the thunder.
The Japs were ready to fight to the last person. They wasn't going to go down easily. The Nukes probably saved Jap lives by causing them to surrender.
15 posted on 06/30/2007 8:00:44 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: weef
From The Last Great Victory: The End of World War Ii, July-August 1945, by Stanley Weintraub.

It was the afternoon of August 5, 1945. To a group of six hundred army officers assigned to the Hiroshima garrison, Professor Yoshitaka Mimura of Hiroshima Bunri University, a theoretical physicist, was explaining the scientific possibilities of new weapons which might reverse the tide of war. Japan had little Navy or Air Force left. Within months a massive invasion of the home islands seemed likely. “Could you tell us, sir”, a young lieutenant colonel asked, “what an atomic bomb is? Is there any possibility that the bomb will be deployed by the end of this war?”

Mimura chalked a rough sketch on the blackboard to illustrate the [nuclear] reactions required. Scientists at Tokyo University, he explained, have “theoretically penetrated” the secrets of nuclear fission. If they could apply their theories practically, an atomic bomb “could be smaller than a piece of caramel candy, but, if exploded five hundred meters above a populated city, it could destroy 200,000 lives.”

“When can we have that bomb?” “Well, it is difficult to say”, Mimura answered, knowing nothing of any Japanese enterprise to apply fission theory to bomb-making. “But I can tell you this much: not before the end of this war.”


16 posted on 06/30/2007 8:00:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: weef

Japan also had an atomic bomb project. As did Germany.


17 posted on 06/30/2007 8:00:47 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: weef

given the way the japanese thought, without the bombs that war would have taken a considerably higher toll on the japanese before the war would have ended


18 posted on 06/30/2007 8:00:53 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: weef
Hey just last week they denied that the rape of Nanking happened.
19 posted on 06/30/2007 8:04:09 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (We stand on the bridge and no one may pass. We go into the dark places....)
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To: RightWhale
Japan also had an atomic bomb project. As did Germany.

But... but... we went into those places and didn't find any WMDs! We entered WWII based on lies!!! /moonbattery

20 posted on 06/30/2007 8:04:21 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (It's never a good time to get sucked into an evil vortex.)
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To: weef

Japan is the country that performed medical experiments on live prisoners of war. They used female prisoners as ‘’comfort women.’’ Japan got what it had coming. They were not innocent victims.


21 posted on 06/30/2007 8:07:53 AM PDT by Menehune56 (Oderint Dum Metuant (Let them hate, so long as they fear - Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC)))
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To: weef
Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

It's cr@p like that why .....

(never mind, I don't want to be banned.)

22 posted on 06/30/2007 8:08:22 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: weef

Japanese are an amazing island people. But no way did this hyperactive ant colony have enough people to subjugate Asia and take on the USA. By subjugate Asia I mean take over it’s oil and natural resources. Not to rule over all Asia


23 posted on 06/30/2007 8:09:06 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: RightWhale

In the “secret history” (aka “tin foil hats”) community, there is some belief that Japs actually exploded their own nuke before the end of the war.

Have to wonder where they got the idea that they would be the size of a caramel candy, though; I think somebody misplaced a decimal point...


24 posted on 06/30/2007 8:10:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Little Ray

Germany did. Japan did not.


25 posted on 06/30/2007 8:11:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Hey just last week they denied that the rape of Nanking happened.

Aw, she was asking for it. Did you see how she was dressed?


26 posted on 06/30/2007 8:13:30 AM PDT by Sapper26 (Quondo Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: dennisw

By 1940, they had a pretty good start on it.


27 posted on 06/30/2007 8:14:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: SlowBoat407; RightWhale

>> Japan also had an atomic bomb project. As did Germany.

And Japan set off “something” a few days after Nagasaki,
on an island off what is now North Korea. We probably
won’t know fer shure until PRK collapses, and the area
can be tested for residuals.

> But... but... we went into those places and didn’t find any WMDs!

Don’t be too sure. We wrecked a lot of Japanese nuke
stuff when the occupation began. Not sure all of it
was reported to the public.


28 posted on 06/30/2007 8:16:52 AM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: weef
"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

The lack of an organization name made me curious as to who exactly this "Nobu Miyake" is. It turns out that he appears to be a lawyer located in the heart of Japan's government environs in Nagatacho. (Read "K Street" for the American equivalent. Interestingly enough, it appears from his biographical information that he also worked in Washington, D.C. at Mudge, Rose.)

Not to be cynical, but I would point out that when such a lawyer starts labelling "victims", it isn't always just out of touching concern for humanity.

29 posted on 06/30/2007 8:19:28 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: weef

The atomic bombs also saved many Japanese lives. The devastation and loss of life from an American invasion of the home islands would have been apocalyptic for Japan. I’d wager that most Japanese alike today would not have been if the bombings had not forced them to surrender.


30 posted on 06/30/2007 8:21:37 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: weef
Japan is a victim

Japan was the perp.

It's like the mother that cries foul when her son, in the midst of an armed robbery in a crowded store - taking aim at a former military man - was shot dead by said military man: "He was a good boy. He had no right to shoot him."

When it whittles down to the bottom line - i,e, thousands more are going to die. Will it be the attackers or the attacked?

In the Defense Chief's words, I see a glimmer of hope - just maybe people and countries can look at things objectively, learn from them and, thereby, take a tiny step forward in the annals of mankind, instead of incessantly having to repeat the lessons because they went unlearned

31 posted on 06/30/2007 8:33:35 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: Nervous Tick
I’m kinda dreaming of an Iranian defense minister twenty years from now saying, “Yeah, George Bush nuked us back in 2007, but it couldn’t be helped, ‘cause we were such islamonazi a$$holes back then”...

Dream on. He doesn't even have the balls to increase sanctions. The man has lost his gonads.

32 posted on 06/30/2007 8:37:07 AM PDT by montag813
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To: weef

>>>>Japan is a victim<<<<

Don’t bring a Zero to a Nuclear Bomb fight.


33 posted on 06/30/2007 8:37:48 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: weef

1 plane 1 bomb accomplished what 350 B-29’s were already doing to Tokyo with the firebomb raids.


34 posted on 06/30/2007 8:37:54 AM PDT by Canali
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To: Sapper26

LOL

hey, just put the word ‘black’ in the line and Al and Jesse will be right on it


35 posted on 06/30/2007 8:39:31 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( "...but you can't fool all of the people all the time." LINCOLN)
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To: weef
US Government documents that have been recently released to the public show the military expected it would take over a dozen nuclear bomb strikes against Japan to facilitate the invasion of the mainland. We had already firebombed some of their cities. Millions of Japs would have been killed.

Further, what would the effect on Japan have been had the Soviets really entered the war against them?

Japan had better count their blessings. The war they started would have still been ended, but at far higher cost to them than was the case.

36 posted on 06/30/2007 8:41:08 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: weef
Back in '95, one of the lamestream media networks ran a special on the 50th aniversery of the end of WWII.

They featured an old Army guy who fought his way all accross the pacific ocean and somehow lived to tell the tale.

They asked him about the atomic bombing of Japan. I can still quote him word-for-word.

"It was a pay-back for Pearl Harbor. And I hope that those (long pause) little people remember it!"

37 posted on 06/30/2007 8:43:55 AM PDT by LibKill (Bush betrayed conservatives on Immigration.)
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To: montag813

>> Dream on. He doesn’t even have the balls to increase sanctions. The man has lost his gonads.

Agreed. The operative word here is, “dream”.


38 posted on 06/30/2007 8:45:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: weef
The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives...

It saved many American *and* Japanese lives.

39 posted on 06/30/2007 8:47:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: YOUGOTIT

More than just 11 million - it is far more likely that the Allies would have been forced to all but exterminate the Japanese people, due to the fanatical nature of the culture at the time. Every man, woman, and child able to carry a weapon over there would have attacked us, and the slaughter would have been unbelievable.

If you don’t think so, just read some of their pre-war literature. The highest goal of most Japanese was to die honorably, and preferably in battle.


40 posted on 06/30/2007 8:49:51 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
It also saved the lives of approximately 11,000,000 Japanese. Plus over 1,000,000 Americans. And it allowed Japan to be a free country.

It also saved the remainder of the country from being levelled with the ongoing incendiary bombing campaign which had severely damaged many cities already.

41 posted on 06/30/2007 8:50:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: junta
and NJ is home to millions of backwards, poor, hideously underfed short commies eating pine cones for fun.

You've been to New Jersey, huh? Which exit?

42 posted on 06/30/2007 8:51:06 AM PDT by sten
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To: Boundless

Japan’s nuke project was located in what is now N Kor. They would have tested nearby if they tested. Present N Kor was the industrial heart of Korea.


43 posted on 06/30/2007 8:56:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: Nervous Tick
But most Japanese I know (when they talk about it) would agree with the defense minister.

Yes, that's certainly my experience also.

I think the news media, generally out great ignorance of any subject outside of popular entertainment, somehow feel obligated to find an "other side" in any news article that somehow doesn't square with their left-wing beliefs.

The equivalent to me would be something like a foreign reporter reporting on the U.S. who somehow felt compelled to find a LaRouchite every time that the subject of the Queen of England came up.

44 posted on 06/30/2007 8:59:03 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: weef
"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many American lives," said Nobuo Miyake, 78, director-general of a group of victims living in Tokyo. "It's outrageous for a Japanese politician to voice such thinking. Japan is a victim."

O.K. Let's rephrase that.

"The U.S. justifies the bombings saying they saved many Japanese lives."

Operation Downfall was the overall Allied plan for the invasion of Japan at the end of World War II..........Casualty predictions varied widely, but were extremely high for both sides: depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians resisted the invasion, estimates ran into the millions for American casualties[1] and the tens of millions for Japanese casualties.

45 posted on 06/30/2007 9:05:08 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: rbg81; B-Chan; weef
I lived in Japan for three years, (during the '60s) and I developed as deep and abiding love for the Japanese people.

Years later, on a business trip to Kyoto, I had a meeting with one of Japan's preeiminent material scientists. He treated me to lunch, (nagi) and during lunch, he revealed that, as a young army officer, he had been one of the first persons who went into Hiroshima after the bombing.

After I explained that, at the time, I was an "aka-chan", and my only recollection of the time was a hazy memory of adult comments about some sort of "secret weapon" being used, he said this:

"That was an awesome weapon. If Nippon had had it, Tojo Hideki undoubtedly would have used it on Los angeles and San Francisco. As you can see, I survived my trip into the devastation. Conversely, I almost certainly would not have survived the forthcoming U.S. invasion. You might say that the A-bombs made it possible for us to enjoy this lunch together."

~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can't get a much more personal observation and knowledgable opinion than that!

46 posted on 06/30/2007 9:10:49 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: B-Chan

???


47 posted on 06/30/2007 9:14:21 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: RightWhale

They also had a number of jet aircraft including a few high speed bombers..


48 posted on 06/30/2007 9:16:24 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: weef

I have never understood the significance of the manner of death in a war. Atomic bomb or conventional bomb, war is war, death is death. I would posit that an instantaneous nuclear death is far more humane than dying slowly under the resulting rubble of a conventional bomb explosion. To win a war, you must break the enemy’s will to fight. This can be accomplished in an extended bloody campaign or in a blinding flash of light. Either way, people die. The Hiroshima/Nagasaki debate is ludicrous. The anti-war crowd always calls to end war. The atomic bombs did just that.


49 posted on 06/30/2007 9:17:38 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: weef

My Dad managed to survive Okinawa and Iwo Jima. His unit was being prepared for the invasion of Japan when they dropped the bombs. He always said that if they had invaded he and most of his unit would not have survived. He thought the fighting would have been much worse than what they had seen to that point as they would have been fighting the civilian population as well as the military. He never forgave the Japanese and was grateful the bombs were used.


50 posted on 06/30/2007 9:18:07 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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