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[Catholic] Bishops Decry Failure of Immigration Reform
PR Newswire & US Conference of Catholic Bishops ^ | 6.29.07

Posted on 06/30/2007 8:27:21 AM PDT by hardback

WASHINGTON, June 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The U.S. bishops decried failure of immigration reform and its implicit exploitation of millions of people.

The position was voiced by Bishop Gerald R. Barnes of San Bernardino, California, chairman of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Committee on Migration.

"As a nation, we cannot continue to employ an immigration system that leads to the exploitation of millions of our fellow human beings," bishop Barnes said.

"We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society. This strikes at the very character of our nation and lessens us as a people."

Bishop Barnes called on "Congress not to abandon this issue and to return to it as soon as possible." "The status quo is morally unacceptable and should not be allowed to stand," he said. "The U.S. bishops shall continue to point out the moral deficiencies in the immigration system and work toward justice until it is achieved."

The June 29 statement follows. On behalf of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), I am deeply troubled that fair and comprehensive immigration reform legislation has failed to move forward in the U.S. Senate.

I applaud those U.S. Senators of both parties who showed courage in working for comprehensive reform legislation and encourage them to continue their efforts to fix our broken immigration system.

As a nation, we cannot continue to employ an immigration system that leads to the exploitation of millions of our fellow human beings. We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society. This strikes at the very character of our nation and lessens us as a people.

I urge our elected officials in Congress not to abandon this issue and to return to it as soon as possible. The status quo is morally unacceptable and should not be allowed to stand. The U.S. bishops shall continue to point out the moral deficiencies in the immigration system and work toward justice until it is achieved.

SOURCE U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops


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1 posted on 06/30/2007 8:27:22 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

They came into the country illegally, fool!

Build the fence!


2 posted on 06/30/2007 8:30:05 AM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: hardback
Ship the illegals to Rome, then they’ll feel better!

I’m thrilled that ILLEGAL people, criminals aren’t getting amnesty.

3 posted on 06/30/2007 8:31:54 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: claudiustg

The Catholics think this is a good way to get more cash, because most are Catholics.
I know I sound jaded...


4 posted on 06/30/2007 8:32:28 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: hardback

Catholics decry failure of bishops to teach Catholicism.


5 posted on 06/30/2007 8:32:42 AM PDT by pbear8 (Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow and for inflorida)
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To: hardback

Wonder why the Catholic Bishops never ‘decry’ the failure of the mexican oligarchs to provide jobs for their own poor?


6 posted on 06/30/2007 8:33:31 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: hardback

Catholic church wants more illegals in the pews and more dineros in the collection plates.


7 posted on 06/30/2007 8:34:15 AM PDT by tflabo
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To: hardback

“We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society.”

They will be welcome if they come through established legal channels.
Anyone who violates the law is not entitled to any rights to our society.

Pawn x Bishop!


8 posted on 06/30/2007 8:34:38 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: hardback

>> We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society.

You are absolutely right, Mr. Bishop.

We should send them home, pronto.


9 posted on 06/30/2007 8:34:47 AM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: hardback

Bishop Barnes, or Fred Barnes?


10 posted on 06/30/2007 8:38:51 AM PDT by So Circumstanced
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To: hardback
As a nation, we cannot continue to employ an immigration system that leads to the exploitation of millions of our fellow human beings. We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society. This strikes at the very character of our nation and lessens us as a people.

Yoohoo, Bishops of the most high (high on something) -- talk to the Chamber of Commerce about their human trafficking, their exploiting the American taxpayer, exploiting the small towns, bankrupting hospitals, etc. -- talk to the lawyers who would have had their fees paid by the government in representing illegals -- talk to the countries from which these illegals are leaving in hopes of finding a better future. Looks as if these high-and-mighty are part of the problem....

11 posted on 06/30/2007 8:40:02 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: hardback

“As a nation, we cannot continue to employ an immigration system that leads to the exploitation of millions of our fellow human beings,” bishop Barnes said.”

Exploitation will continue for as long as we allow these people to continue to break the law. When we build a fence and stop the flow of illegal activity I would be willing to begin discussing how these people might be included in our country, either as American’s, who will have to meet certain standards to achieve this status, or as documented workers.

Exactly, what laws might I be allowed to break, Bishop Barnes?? Payment of income tax, software theft, sneaking into the movie theater because it is too expensive??

How about hiring some of these folks to work on my lawn and paying them under the table? Now that they are here they’re going to need the money? What is the correct rate to hire them at? 2 bucks a day? $10 an hour? Or maybe I should turn them in to the authoriuties?

I want to do the Christian thing, but it all seems so confusing.


12 posted on 06/30/2007 8:42:14 AM PDT by incredulous joe (Vote for Christian Bagge - www.energizerkeepgoinghalloffame.com)
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To: hardback

seems to me that these guys are exceeding the limits of their 501-C3 non-political tax exempt status......


13 posted on 06/30/2007 8:42:45 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: hardback
If the United States is going to have to be the caretaker to all the world's poor, we should be given access to all the world resources.

Or....

We could build the fence!!!
14 posted on 06/30/2007 8:44:30 AM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: Yorlik803

I don’t believe that for a second, but it does sound jaded.

I think many Catholics believe that this is following the teachings of the Gospels? I think this approach is just soft-headed.


15 posted on 06/30/2007 8:45:13 AM PDT by incredulous joe (Vote for Christian Bagge - www.energizerkeepgoinghalloffame.com)
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To: hardback

“The U.S. bishops decried failure of immigration reform...”

That’s okay, all Bible-believing patriotic Baptist preachers are very happy about the failure of that bill.

Why should we have implied to us that the Catholic bishops are supposed to be held in any higher esteem than our non-Catholic Christian pastors, evangelists and missionaries ???

I suggest the author of the article do some interviews with local church pastors around the country . . . you know, just for balance.


16 posted on 06/30/2007 8:55:40 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Yorlik803
The Catholics think this is a good way to get more cash, because most are Catholics.

In central Virginia at any rate the illegals are generally NOT practicing Catholics. Some are protestants and they do not attend Mass with any regularity. The RC Church in Mexico seems to be intent on driving the poor out, to judge by the way they charge fees for services like Baptism. (Or so the migrants told us. It's certainly true that they did NOT welcome the idea of our coming to their camps to celebrate until we reassured them that there was no fee. When they learned THAT, they welcomed us enthusiastically.)

We used to go up into the camps on Sunday evenings and celebrate Mass. It was not a money maker.

But that doesn't keep the bishops from not having a clue about the issue. I'm just arguing that any monetary motives are at best misguided and ill-informed. I'm all for mercy being the perfection of justice and all that, but this isn't mercy, it's enabling.

17 posted on 06/30/2007 8:56:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: hardback

>>”We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society.”<<

Bishop, if you’re so worried about the “large underclass”, then “go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor.”

You’ll forgive me for not holding my breath.


18 posted on 06/30/2007 8:57:28 AM PDT by KingSnorky
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To: Mad Dawg
to judge by the way they charge fees for services like Baptism

The more things change....

19 posted on 06/30/2007 8:58:08 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Yorlik803

You are not jaded, you are realistic and can see through their false facade of concern for the poor illegal immigrant.


20 posted on 06/30/2007 8:59:15 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Nervous Tick wrote: “ We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society.

“You are absolutely right, Mr. Bishop.

“We should send them home, pronto.”


Agreed. Roman Catholics who believe in nationhood and borders should talk to their bishops and other priests just as you have responded. There should be no more inordinate fear of the clergy. The clergy really can determine nobody’s eternal destiny.


21 posted on 06/30/2007 9:00:37 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: hardback
Bishop Gerald R. Barnes is confused. All of the illegal aliens have FULL RIGHTS somewhere else. They are rather like tourists when you get right down to it. Tourists also have FULL RIGHTS somewhere else, and if they want to exercise them all they need do is return home.

The illegal aliens are no more isolated in a subclass than are tourists, those on business visas, or foreign students.

What would be wrong would be to convert them from a group of foreign people (with rights elsewhere) into a subclass of Z-visa holders with limited rights, and quite possibly NO RIGHTS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES as a consequence of having a Z-visa.

Several candidates for public office in Baja California (a quaint Mexican state located on the shores of the Pacific, just south of California) discovered that even though they were full citizens of Mexico, they'd failed to file a certain form 10 years before, and as a result their accidental births in the United States prohibited them from running for office.

Same sort of thing could happen to people tricked into Z-visas. This issue wasn't discussed in the public hearings of course, so none of us knows what Mexico will do when a Z-visa holder wants to come back home.

The Bishop should have been objecting to the CREATION OF A SUBCLASS, not the existence of one.

BTW, does this guy have an uptodate visa or not.

22 posted on 06/30/2007 9:02:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hardback

Guess they did not pray hard enough.


23 posted on 06/30/2007 9:03:49 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: hardback

So, does Pope Bennie have a problem with the Mexicans and Central Americans streaming across our borders ILLEGALLY, or is he like the Opus Dei folks that I knew who considered them foot soldiers in the “renewal” of America?


24 posted on 06/30/2007 9:04:49 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Nervous Tick

I was about to say the same thing.

Stop them from coming.

We dont need to build a fence we need to lock them up place them on a ship and send them down to the most southern part of Mexico and unload the, Just like Ike did, they will soon get the message


25 posted on 06/30/2007 9:08:01 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: hardback

I just figured it out.

Bishop Barnes is a standard bearer for the church, ...

whereas Fred Barnes is the “weekly standard” bearer for Rinos.

Both Barnes have trouble recognizing that a rule of law and the enforcement of the rule of law plays an important role in providing for compassionate orderly, beneficial, thriving society of which they should be thankful recipients.


26 posted on 06/30/2007 9:08:42 AM PDT by So Circumstanced
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To: hardback

http://sbdiocese.org/contactus.cfm


27 posted on 06/30/2007 9:11:45 AM PDT by RoseyT
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To: claudiustg
Let's do even more than build the fence!

Let's demand from the good bishop that he issue a statement decrying Mexico's corruption.
Let him further issue a statement urging America's adoption of Mexico's immigration policies. Yeah!

Most important of all, let's urge our Congress to pass REAL immigration reform. For starters, let's make illegal USA entry a FELONY, and let's make it retroactive for those illegals still remaining in the USA after a one-year grace period of getting the heck out of here.
For another starter, let's end the misinterpreted anchor baby provision. Let's also end the practice of chain migration and unlimited welfare for legal applicants as well. If they are going to be wards of the states, they're going to have to prove up a sponsoring family who'll support them instead. Now, about those employers, including subcontractors, a mandatory five-year prison sentence ought to send them into a sweating spiral.

Regards . . . Penny


28 posted on 06/30/2007 9:11:56 AM PDT by Penny
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To: hardback
As St. John of the Cross says, "The walls of hell are lined with the skulls of bishops." I say this as a devout Roman Catholic: maybe if our Bishops cared more about preaching the Gospel of Our Lord and less about their press they wouldn't be losing so many Catholics. It's their rebellion and liberalism (of which the homosexual pedophilia scandal is a result) that has damaged the church. Start fearlessly taking on the corrupt culture and deny communion to pro-abortion "Catholics" and see how fast the church would grow! Maybe they wouldn't feel the need to import Catholics from other countries. I'd gladly donate money to start more Catholic schools IN MEXICO and help start businesses IN MEXICO if they are really worried about the poverty there. Insisting on fleecing American taxpayers is hardly Christian charity.
29 posted on 06/30/2007 9:12:47 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: hardback
I applaud those U.S. Senators of both parties who showed courage in working for comprehensive reform legislation and encourage them to continue their efforts to fix our broken immigration system.

Does that include King Abortionist Edward M. Kennedy, Mr. Bishop? Some of the Bishops continue to give Ted Kennedy the Abortionist a wink and a nod (tacit approval). King Ted Kennedy has been personally involved in the abortions of 45 Million unborn American Children and all of their descendent's. (Not to mention the foreigners that are forced by Kennedy to abort their kids if they want foreign US aid.)

For the life of me, I will never understand why Bush and the Bishops are so in love with King Ted Kennedy the wasted drunk.

30 posted on 06/30/2007 9:17:18 AM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: hardback

I think the USCCB should shut the hell up. This is the kind of rot that afflicts the American Catholic Church.


31 posted on 06/30/2007 9:18:58 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: pbear8
Catholics decry failure of bishops to teach Catholicism.
32 posted on 06/30/2007 9:19:33 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Penny

Coming from a state with less than a million inhabitants and a county with about 85,000 (overpopulated by Montana standards) I’m with you. We have enough problems without a million poor illegal day laborers flooding in.


33 posted on 06/30/2007 9:19:50 AM PDT by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: hardback

I’m a non-practising Catholic and fools like these
commie bishops is one reason why.

If the church cares so much about these illegals, why don’t they pay real estate taxes on their churches to help pay for the ever-increasing cost of the illegals to the beleagured American tax payers?

Why don’t the bishops worry about the priests who like to prey on teenage boys? They should clean up their own house FIRST, before they criticize others.


34 posted on 06/30/2007 9:22:20 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Forget the fence....Build a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico.)
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To: Clemenza

That’s the second time I have seen that! Beginning to think I need to be doing some research.


35 posted on 06/30/2007 9:29:22 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom
BTW: I happen to like Pope Benedict, but would still like to know his position on the issue.

Always keep in mind that as a "eternal" institution chartered by God himself, the RCC likes to see itself as pre-National and pre-State, viewing states as temporary human creations. As an anti-Nationalist American patriot (there is a HUGE difference between nationalism as an ideology and love of one's country), I can respect that position.

I have a feeling that while many in the Church hierarchy intellectually respect the rule of law within nations, they nevertheless have their hearts with the poor (and Catholic/Christian) folks who cross our borders. The same is NOT true when it comes to Muslims pouring into Europe (for good reason).

36 posted on 06/30/2007 9:35:37 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Petronski

A nice improvement, thanks.


37 posted on 06/30/2007 9:35:52 AM PDT by pbear8 (Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow and for inflorida)
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To: Yorlik803

“The Catholics think this is a good way to get more cash, because most are Catholics.”

We have a winner! Unlimited latino immigration and their rabbit like birthrate will make the country much more Catholic over the next century.


38 posted on 06/30/2007 9:38:13 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: hardback
worry about the souls of your parishoners, the homosexual predators and leave the government alone.

This was dealt with in the past when the church imposed or tried to influence government.... ask Becket about religious government arguments.

39 posted on 06/30/2007 9:49:11 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: hardback

>> The U.S. bishops decried failure of immigration reform and its implicit exploitation of millions of people.

Bishops,
Don’t blame us. Blame the business that exploits them and redirect your comments the gov’t of Mexico. In the meantime, why don’t you focus on the killing issue of abortion and let the Conservatives focus on the balance of immigration. And if you’re still feeling your oats but not yet satisfied, pick up the cause of Christians assaulted and murdered by radical Islam. Come to think of it, your voice of condemnation regarding Christian persecution is a bit silent these days, or at least not loud enough to excite the media.


40 posted on 06/30/2007 9:51:09 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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They are here because there are people hear willing to hire them, often by people who exploit them and the American people by not for paying taxes and health that would be paid to a citizen. Because American company owners don’t pay the American people do. They mainly coming from contries where every law has price to get around and bribes are a way of life. Even with the risk of being deported and being cheated by employers life is better here than where they came from. Their home country taught them not to respect rule of law by putting a price on everything.

If the American people really wanted to solve this problem would not deal with companies the knowingly hire illegals. This would take an effort on are part, more than many people yelling for a fence are willing to do. It would cost us both money and time. One of the few jobs really assigned to the Federal Government by the Constitution is to protect the boarder. Yes, the goverment needs to do their job, but if we really belive in a limited federal goverment WE need to do our part of the job too.

41 posted on 06/30/2007 9:51:51 AM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Clemenza

Thanks for that info! Here in Oklahoma the Mormon Church in my area is doing an outreach into the illegal community which I thought was odd.

Most of the Catholics here that I know do not support the illegals, but then they go to the new Church across town not the older church that has a Mass in Spanish.


42 posted on 06/30/2007 10:01:49 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( Inhofe for Senate 08 -- Broken Glass Republican -- vote out the RATs in 2008)
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To: hardback; All

Well .. they should be on their knees begging God to have mercy on them for supporting people who commit crimes against America.


43 posted on 06/30/2007 10:04:07 AM PDT by CyberAnt (What is it about "ILLEGAL" that people don't understand ..??)
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To: hardback
Have we heard from the Catholic Bishops who applaud the failure of the amnesty bill?

Have we heard from the Catholic Bishops who are for rule of law and against an illegal invasion and lawlessness?

44 posted on 06/30/2007 10:04:53 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: hardback
Revolution Theology. Hey Bishops, don’t hear about you guys protesting commies or Mexicans. Go mind your own business. Better yet, go protest the corruption and socialism in Mexico that destroys peoples lives and drives them to come to America for their future instead of running off to say Castro’s Cuba. I won’t hold my breath.
45 posted on 06/30/2007 10:05:57 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Mogollon

The USCCB, known in some Catholic circles as the United States Country Club of Bishops, might indeed do better to decry the failure of the Mexican government to take care of its own people and stop misleading American Catholics. The bishops are not even in line with the Catechism. It states that honoring one’s country and it’s laws must be adhered to as falling under the 4th Commandment.


46 posted on 06/30/2007 10:06:34 AM PDT by rljv
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To: hardback

It was immigration Deform that failed. Good.


47 posted on 06/30/2007 10:09:49 AM PDT by dr huer
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To: hardback

HUH?


48 posted on 06/30/2007 10:11:08 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: hardback; All
"As a nation, we cannot continue to employ an immigration system that leads to the exploitation of millions of our fellow human beings," bishop Barnes said."

The willingness of the illegal worker to invade the country and break the law in order to falsely obtain legal work here is what placed them in a situation that made their "exploitation" possible. Not the American people. They were not dragged across the border kicking and screaming and demanding to be allowed to go home. In fact, 60% had jobs back home.

"We cannot accept the toil of a large underclass which does not have full rights in our society. This strikes at the very character of our nation and lessens us as a people."

We don't accept it. It's illegal and the illegal worker and the employer who abets their illegal toil need to be held responsible for it. The illegal worker needs to go back and get in the legal immigration line, and the employer who knew they were illegal needs to go to jail. Those who created this "system", the illegal worker and the unscrupulous employer, need to be held to account; morally and legally.

"The status quo is morally unacceptable and should not be allowed to stand," he said. "The U.S. bishops shall continue to point out the moral deficiencies in the immigration system and work toward justice until it is achieved."

The status quo - that America's southern border is treated with disdain - is morally unacceptable. And we will continue to hold the Catholic Bishops accountable for their moral hypocrisy in not owning up to and advocating against the cause of most of the illegal immigration - the moral, economic and political corruption of the political class of Mexico, which prefers to export their economic problems instead of solving them. Where are the American Catholic-Bishop hypocrites on this? They are no where to be found.

I urge all American Catholics of good conscience to hold the American Catholic Bishops to account, privately and publicly, for their abject moral hypocrisy on so-called "immigration"; which is not immigration, because if it were then the people the Bishops were speaking of would be here legally and there would be no issue.

49 posted on 06/30/2007 10:21:59 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: hardback
"The U.S. bishops shall continue to point out the moral deficiencies in the immigration system and work toward justice until it is achieved."

Interesting the things these "bishops" choose to immediately condemn and point our "moral deficiencies," isn't it.

Condemn themselves for tolerating sexual perversion and molesting of Catholic boys, nah, need to "pray for sinners" and hide under the rug; condemn Americans for not desiring millions of illegals to use all of our natural resources and billions of our tax dollars, NOW THAT'S REAL MORAL DEFICIENCY!

50 posted on 06/30/2007 10:39:00 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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