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Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 30 June 07 | James Taylor

Posted on 06/30/2007 10:30:56 AM PDT by NavVet

Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

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Does this mean I should sell short on Gore's carbon offset credit stocks?
1 posted on 06/30/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT by NavVet
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To: NavVet

The only cause Gore is sincere about is money and power.


2 posted on 06/30/2007 10:35:02 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: NavVet

I wish this editorial was published on a Sunday rather than a Saturday.


3 posted on 06/30/2007 10:35:50 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: NavVet

Yep


4 posted on 06/30/2007 10:39:42 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (California : home of the fruits, nuts and flakes.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Junk Science or Catastrophism?

The choice is yours.

L

5 posted on 06/30/2007 10:41:52 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: NavVet

>>Does this mean I should sell short on Gore’s carbon offset credit stocks?<<

Yes.

But just because Gore is trying to exagerate and exploit this doesn’t change reality.

Since the Reagan administration we’ve had agencies studying the rise in sea level. Over the next century, if the current trend continues this can become a problem for low lying coastal areas.

Contrary to what Gore would suggest the sea level rise will be a few feet not tens of feet. But its worth watching and studying.


6 posted on 06/30/2007 10:42:03 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: NavVet

The emperor has no clothes?


7 posted on 06/30/2007 10:42:17 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: NavVet

Great column.


8 posted on 06/30/2007 10:43:18 AM PDT by Roberts
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To: AlexW
The ice is melting on Kilimanjaro because its a volcano.
9 posted on 06/30/2007 10:46:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: NavVet

This is another great counter to the global warming perspective.


10 posted on 06/30/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: NavVet
The author Taylor cites seven major claims made by Gore, all of which are directly addressed, contradicted, and disproven (or shown to be unprovable) by scientists writing in reputable scientific publications.

Taylor then has the wry gallows humor to ask "Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion?"

Mr. Taylor, welcome to the growing ranks of us heretical "deniers". And don't expect an answer to your challenge.

11 posted on 06/30/2007 10:55:19 AM PDT by angkor
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To: xcamel

FYI


12 posted on 06/30/2007 11:06:54 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: NavVet
Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

I doubt he ever will. He's just a cheap used-car salesman that won't admit his merchandise has some faults.

The fallout from the actions of this moron will be that serious pollution problems will be dismissed as just more alarmist talk....and we really don't need that right now.
13 posted on 06/30/2007 11:07:49 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

No, actually, I believe, the Kilimanjaro ice cap is shrinking because of deforestation near its base. The source of moisture was condensate from the surrounding jungles.


14 posted on 06/30/2007 11:12:04 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

No less a source than PBS did an hour piece a few months ago on why the glacier was disappearing. Their conclusion was internal heat was returning.


15 posted on 06/30/2007 11:23:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: NavVet

Gore’s legacy will only be that of a big buffoon.


16 posted on 06/30/2007 11:30:01 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We are both retailing second hand information. I got mine from a Swedish oceanologist and global warming skeptic.

Either way, there are other explanations. In the case of Himalayan glaciers, experts say that there is no need to seek a cause, the basic premise (shrinkage) is false.

How long can a “theory” that needs to be propped up with lies and exaggerations hold?

17 posted on 06/30/2007 11:38:23 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
How long can a “theory” that needs to be propped up with lies and exaggerations hold?

A long, long time. Look how long eugenics has been around. Or Phrenology.
18 posted on 06/30/2007 11:48:04 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: NavVet
Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

Other References:


19 posted on 06/30/2007 11:50:09 AM PDT by sourcery (Anthropogenic Global Warming: A convenient lie designed to establish socialism by fear and deception)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Global warming is not a theory, it is a religion. It could be snowing in Miami every summer for a decade and the believers will still believe.

Last weekend we sat on the deck of a friend. We were wearing jackets at the end of June in the middle of the day. One guy was crying about how global warming would kill us all. My tolerance was wearing thin.


20 posted on 06/30/2007 11:54:22 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: NavVet

As the global warming joke fades, to keep in the public eye, goffy gore will announce for a Presidental run.


21 posted on 06/30/2007 11:58:19 AM PDT by Pit1
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To: Pit1

Gore says we only have 10 years left to do something about global warming. That is when everyone will realize that it is a scam and it will be too late to use it to transfer power and money to the elites.


22 posted on 06/30/2007 12:04:47 PM PDT by OK
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To: Lurker
Rats! Y'mean I can't vote for outright insanity?

Phooey!

;^)

23 posted on 06/30/2007 12:23:59 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Well, lessee here, Soviet Communism lasted 74 years. Allowing for the increasing speed of information transmission, and for the increase in the increase of the rate, the 2nd derivative shows...about 23 years.

Figure that Gork started off full-steam in 1993, I guess we're OK by 2016 or so.

By which time, of course, the moonbat left will have invented some other ridiculous ''crisis'' about which we're all supposed to be terrified.

The only cure for these morons, one way or another, is either complete ostracism or a bullet.

24 posted on 06/30/2007 12:27:49 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: NavVet

There have been scads of articles recently throwing into doubt any of Gore’s and the other gw doomists claims. But does anyone think these scientifically researched news will dent the skulls of the doomists? Dream on. They’re on a mission from their gods, Mother Nature and Marx. The truth will not deter them. Paul Ehrlich is still treated as a major figure in the environmentalist wacko movement.


25 posted on 06/30/2007 12:30:00 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: SAJ
By which time, of course, the moonbat left will have invented some other ridiculous ''crisis'' about which we're all supposed to be terrified.

I got a $40 dollar bill sez global cooling.

26 posted on 06/30/2007 12:31:58 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: gondramB

One thing about “current trends” they NEVER continue...LOL


27 posted on 06/30/2007 12:32:21 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: NavVet; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off


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Ping me if you find one I've missed.


...A'yup
28 posted on 06/30/2007 12:34:13 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Thompson Time!")
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To: Dutch Boy

I made the observation some time ago that Global Warming was like psychoanalysis, an ideology, not a scientific theory.

Karl Popper famously critized psychoanalysis during the 1930’s as an ideology. The hallmark of a scientific theory is falsifiability, something that GW lacks. If it snows in May, that’s due to Global Warming, if it’s warm in January likewise.

Rain, drought, blizzard, hurricane, heat wave, cold spell; all observations confirm GW with probability 1.0.


29 posted on 06/30/2007 12:37:44 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: NavVet

“the sky’s falling! The sky’s falling!” says Chicken Little.


30 posted on 06/30/2007 12:40:42 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Actually, I think I'd tend to fade that bet.

Two reasons: 1) they've tried it before, and everybody pooh-poohed it (and rightly so), and 2) as the moonbats are finding out now (the marginally sane ones, at any rate), it's VERY difficult to make any sort of case that H. Sapiens supersedes Nature in ANYthing.

31 posted on 06/30/2007 12:47:05 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Now, now. No fair being sensible about these things.

;^)

32 posted on 06/30/2007 12:48:13 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: NavVet
We simply cannot afford to gamble against this possibility by ignoring it. We cannot risk inaction. Those scientists who say we are entering a period of climatic instability [i.e., unpredictability] are acting irresponsibly. The indications that our climate can soon change for the worse are too strong to be reasonably ignored.

--From "The Cooling", page 272, by Lowell Ponte, 1972, Prentice-Hall, warning of the impending ice age. (The cover asks" "Has the next ice age already begun? Can we survive it?")

33 posted on 06/30/2007 12:48:50 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: SAJ
People have short memories. I live in Massachusetts. We just reelected Dukakis.
34 posted on 06/30/2007 12:50:42 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: NavVet

Al Gore: profiteer and political joke.


35 posted on 06/30/2007 12:55:13 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: gondramB
Since the Reagan administration we’ve had agencies studying the rise in sea level. Over the next century, if the current trend continues this can become a problem for low lying coastal areas.

The level of oceans has been studied a lot longer than that.

http://www.john-daly.com/ has photos of "The 1841 sea level benchmark (centre) on the `Isle of the Dead', Tasmania.". This mark suggests that sea levels haven't changed noticably in the last 166 years. And yes, they have factored out any tectonic plate moves that might have shifted the mark upwards.

36 posted on 06/30/2007 1:34:56 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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To: NavVet

Global warming/climate change is all about letting the government have a bigger role in our lives; and of course taking away more individual freedom.
And of course the pesky thing of following the money trail.

Facts have no place in the equation for the pushers of this junk science.
And when this nonsense is totally discredited; they will be on to something else with the same end in mind.


37 posted on 06/30/2007 1:41:21 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: SAJ

Anyone remember the “acid rain” scare of a few years back ? Coal fired utilities were supposedly acidifying the finger lakes of the Adirondacks. Turns out the ground was acidic and the acidification was caused by ground water runoff into the lakes. Next bogeyman, please...


38 posted on 06/30/2007 1:57:18 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: slowhandluke

>>Since the Reagan administration we’ve had agencies studying the rise in sea level. Over the next century, if the current trend continues this can become a problem for low lying coastal areas.

The level of oceans has been studied a lot longer than that.

http://www.john-daly.com/ has photos of “The 1841 sea level benchmark (centre) on the `Isle of the Dead’, Tasmania.”. <<

I don’t know why one mark would be different from the other measures.

The rise in oceans is slow - about 2 mm per year over the last hundreds of years. You might want to look at the National Snow and Ice Data Center’s work. They were founded in 1957 and Federalized under Reagan in 1982.

They look at hundreds of measure and have concluded that about half of the sea level rise is from ice melt and half from thermal expansion of the seas.

It looks like the sea level rise has accelerated since 1980 or so - long before those measurements were being connected with global warming.
http://nsidc.org/sotc/sea_level.html

But again, this rise slow and will only effect coastal areas and by feet not tens of feet in the coming century.


39 posted on 06/30/2007 2:12:53 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: slowhandluke

BTW, NSIDC, the agency that studies the rise in sea level is a joint project of NASA, NOAA and the National Science foundation - there are lots of interesting things at that site about oceans and ice and such.


40 posted on 06/30/2007 2:15:47 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: NavVet

>> Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains,

And how many of the alarmists are upset with that information???


41 posted on 06/30/2007 2:19:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: sourcery

References for later


42 posted on 06/30/2007 2:36:29 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: OK
Bingo!

As more and more people come out and question the Eco-nazis, the more shrill and strident they become. Their house of cards is about to come tumbling down.

43 posted on 06/30/2007 2:56:32 PM PDT by jess35
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To: NavVet

Gore: “They’ve blinded me with science”!


44 posted on 06/30/2007 3:00:21 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yes, indeed. Would you believe that some number of the envirodingbats here in STL (’The Riverfront Slimes’, et al.) are **still** yapping about acid rain, ‘’because’’ AmerenUE gets the bulk of its capacity fr/coal-fired plants?


45 posted on 06/30/2007 3:13:55 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Citing MA as some sort of reasonable population sample is, pardon me, ridiculous. You're also the only state that voted for McGovern, and I won't even start in on your Supreme Court and your state's election of Coupe Duval.

Dukakis.eh? Well, there you have it. Dudukaka has been a joke in politics for 20 years. Sheesh.

46 posted on 06/30/2007 3:19:52 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Facts have no place in the equation for the pushers of this junk science. And when this nonsense is totally discredited; they will be on to something else with the same end in mind.

We won WWIII: Communism and Socialism has been defeated in the USSR.

We are still fighting WWIV against Islamofascism.

While we are trying to do that, Communists and left wing socialists are trying to resurrect WWIII and force us to fight disjointed commie ideology in the form of special interest groups that belong to the Democratic party....eco whackos, PETA whackos, hippie peaceniks. Meanwhile, the libs have hypnotized the proles into watching American Idol.

47 posted on 06/30/2007 3:27:13 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: NavVet
Many of the assertions Gore makes...have been refuted by science

Many Americans are most thankful that Al Gore is not President. I know that years from now, when this boob’s hoax is better exposed, he will still have adoring and supportive people. Attempting to convince people that man can control global climate change is akin to convincing people that man can control continental drift. I guess every nation must suffer its idiots.

48 posted on 06/30/2007 3:47:16 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: NavVet

bump


49 posted on 06/30/2007 3:49:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Dutch Boy
“Global warming is not a theory, it is a religion. It could be snowing in Miami every summer for a decade and the believers will still believe.”

This is why the scaremongers have switched the terminology to “Climate Change”. Under this terminology, no matter what happens, they can claim to be right. It is the ultimate in a non-theory.

50 posted on 06/30/2007 3:53:46 PM PDT by marktwain
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