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Immigration Vote: End of a Presidency?
US News & World Report ^ | 6/29/07 | Kenneth Walsh

Posted on 06/30/2007 2:24:57 PM PDT by hardback

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Again, Bush squandered a huge opportunity here to really make sweeping changes that would have made him one of our greatest presidents. Instead, his presidency is mediocre along the lines of Eisenhower Carter.

There, that's better.

121 posted on 06/30/2007 5:27:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: dragnet2; Quigley; All
Bush could accidentally nuke Chicago and some would still support him.

I don’t know what it is, but it’s very, very strange.

It's all in the drink, easy to make, not always easy to shake!

"There's nothing like a cup of Bush"
Warning-can be addicting to some

122 posted on 06/30/2007 5:27:25 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: A CA Guy

Basically correct. At this point, not doing anything stupid is all the President is politically capable of.


123 posted on 06/30/2007 5:33:27 PM PDT by zendari
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To: DevSix
Reality is we are at war with a terrorist element that has no set borders

No reality is we are not at war, we have merely placed our young men and women in a battlefield to be shot at, while letting the enemies take refuge all over the world. Turn loose the powers we have on the enemies and we will then be in a war, of short duration.

Remember Korea
Remember Vietnam...
Compare the outcome at Dresden to Faluja then come back on this thread and talk about war.

124 posted on 06/30/2007 5:35:06 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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To: hardback

An outstanding feature of the immigration bill being shot down is that it now has the chance to be THE issue of the 2008 election with ALL eligible voters making the final decision.


125 posted on 06/30/2007 5:37:54 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
God Bless President Bush , his family and Our troops, and protect us from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Nice sentiment, but leaving the borders so unprotected kinda gets in the way of that "protecting from domestic enemies" stuff, don't you think?

126 posted on 06/30/2007 5:39:19 PM PDT by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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To: MNJohnnie

“So the ONLY thing you losers managed to do is make sure the VERY crises you are so upset about remains completely unchanged for another 2 years or more.”

This will be THE campaign issue of 2008. The first conservative Presidential candidate to declare they’ll send the National Guard to the border immediately upon inauguration and have a wall built by the end of their first term will be the winner, IMO.


127 posted on 06/30/2007 5:41:28 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: kabar
First, presidents don't have a much control over the ecnomy as you posit. They deserve neither most of the credit or most of the blame.

First off, the policies they support or don't...most certainly can (and do) have an impact on the economy. Secondly, regardless of what credit or lack thereof how the economy performs under their watch most certainly does effect how they are judged by history (especially if the economy is robust or ill).

Bush's spending and expansion of government, especially the prescription program, may be one of the big steps on the way to bankrupting this country.

Much like R. Reagan's far worse expansion of burdening yet an entire other generation to the biggest wealth stealing scheme there is...Social Security (RR raised FICA taxes to boot). But of course, we'll give him a pass, he couldn't help it (he only held the Senate by larger numbers then GWB for most of his 8 years. That was until he lost it big time in 87....but that wasn't because of his policies or his fault...like we know 06 was GWB's. I got it).

We have not ineffectually fought the war in Iraq / WOT. On the whole what has been accomplished to date (with limited loss of life) is historically amazing. The progress I've witnessed in both Iraq and Stan is tremendous....but from thousands of miles away, listening to the MSM play out this war...many are ill-informed (obviously you fall into this category). So be it.

History will prove your thoughts on the matter wrong. Of this I am confident.

Thankfully, we were able to reverse his Harriet Miers appointment and stop his amnesty bill that would have destroyed this country as we know it.

To bad we were able to accomplish neither during the great conservative R. Reagan's presidency, hey? He gave us the terrible PC choice of SDO to the SCOUTS (didn't listen to our base at all, shoved that women down our throats simply for the reason that she was a women)....and then gave us blanket amnesty for all illegals (sans those from 83-84)...this while holding a MAJORITY REPUB in the US Senate no less. Shameful.

Buy we'll give him a pass there to, won't we. Why not.

128 posted on 06/30/2007 5:43:20 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: MNJohnnie
the Status Quo on Immigration, which all you claim is “Destroying the country” is now in place for at least 2 more years since no one is going to touch Immigration until after 2008.

So the ONLY thing you losers managed to do is make sure the VERY crises you are so upset about remains completely unchanged for another 2 years or more.

You're not defining it correctly. It's the "status quo" of lack of enforcement of the current laws that people want changed, not the laws themselves. There's no reason why those laws cannot be enforced anytime over the next two years, so your claim is completely opposite to the actual point.

Unless, of course, you're implying that the government should not enforce current laws. Does that just hold true for immigration laws, or have you made a mental list of other laws you think should not be enforced?

"Know-nothings," eh? We know enough to see through a crap argument. Step up your game, if you have one.

129 posted on 06/30/2007 5:46:22 PM PDT by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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To: itsahoot
Compare the outcome at Dresden to Faluja then come back on this thread and talk about war.

Foolishness. Two complete different eras (in more ways then I have time to list) and two complete different wars.

The WOT/Iraq is a completely different enemy. Furthermore we lost well over 200,000 men in WWII (for example). We have loss less then 4000 to actual combat in all of the WOT and as a nation we can hardly take those casualties figures.

The notion that we are allowing refuge all over the world isn't exactly accurate either. We have guys risking all, taking the fight to our enemies throughout the ME, Asia and the Horn of Africa.

I will say I can understand your sentiment to a point...but on the whole this is simply a different era, different war. Best regards.

130 posted on 06/30/2007 5:50:11 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Mamzelle

Bingo!


131 posted on 06/30/2007 5:54:29 PM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: MNJohnnie; bayourod

And might I add - before he got booted out of here, bayourod did this shtick WAY better. He may have been tedious, obscurantist and condescending, but at least he was fairly creative about it. And boy, was he hilarious! Even those who hated him at the time must look back and get a chuckle out of it. Amazing what a little panache can do.

Come back, bayourod, all is forgiven!


132 posted on 06/30/2007 5:54:51 PM PDT by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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To: DevSix
Where did that list come from, that's quite a memory you got, there indeed are a few notables in that list but a Presidency is remembered mostly for it's defining moments, for Reagan, it's the defeat of Communism "GORBACHEV TEAR DOWN THAT WALL" and restoring America's strength and confidence in its greatness.

For Bush the elder it was the success of Operation Desert Storm and of course the infamous broken "READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES" pledge that successfully ended his bid for another term.

For Clinton, it's the conquest of Monica Lewinsky "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN" singlehandedly redefining the sexual mores of oral sex as not really sex.

And now we have Dubya who's defining issue will of course be 9-11 and his response to it. The WOT is now the most important issue of our time, it's all about our survival as a nation and anything related to it can mean success or failure to Bush's legacy, luckily this Amnesty Bill did not pass so there's still hope that Bush can leave office on a good note rather than a disastrous one.

133 posted on 06/30/2007 5:55:57 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Blake#1
The misery these “Savage” idiots have caused is just now getting through to them. Two years from now the “problem” will be an entirely new one: more Latinos, less border coverage, more Democraps in office. More Socialism/Communism big, big, government. Thanks to Michael Savage and his idiot followers.

WTH are you talking about, it's all Michael Savage's fault that the Amnesty Bill was defeated because he's been consistently griping about our unsecured borders all these years on his radio show?

So no other talk show host gets any credit in your book for this Bill's defeat? Don't think too many Freepers will agree with you there. So I guess you were/are a pro-Amnesty knucklehead?

134 posted on 06/30/2007 6:07:26 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: hardback

Nope. There are plenty of things President Bush can stil screw up. Isn’t he going to see Putin soon?


135 posted on 06/30/2007 6:08:30 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: flashbunny
Steel Tariff

This should go in the plus column. It gave domestic producers a breather and a window of opportunity to get their acts more competitive for when the tariffs ended a year or two later. It worked. This last week for example, a freighter load of steel made in Cleveland set sail for Belgium, the first American steel shipped to Europe in like thirteen years. They have another shipment to Europe scheduled for August.

136 posted on 06/30/2007 6:13:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: MNJohnnie
Guess both the Hard Right and the Hysteric Left have forgotten the word VETO.?

Three vetoes in six years? I think Bush is the one who forgot about the magic word.

137 posted on 06/30/2007 6:15:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: americanophile
he did give us Michael Chertoff....ahahahahaha!

"Doin' a heckuva job there Mikey."

138 posted on 06/30/2007 6:17:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: flashbunny

Good list. Bush gets a D- on domestic policy. Two SC heads and some tax cuts ain;t cutting it. The rest is lefty pablum. My new tone with Bush: STFU and win the war.


139 posted on 06/30/2007 6:21:17 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (RINO cleaner - the backbone restorer)
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To: MNJohnnie
Sounds like you were in favor of the bill. Even though it would have made matters worse than the status quo. Interesting. IMO a bad bill is worse than no bill at all.
140 posted on 06/30/2007 6:24:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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