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What's the Rush?
ProLifeblogs ^ | June 27 2007 | plb

Posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

Edited on 07/02/2007 4:50:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

That's the question Bobby Schindler asked in the case involving Jesse Ramirez, the Arizona man whose case paralleled that of Schindler's sister, Terri Schiavo, until Ramirez woke up. The Arizona Republic reports:

...Bobby Schindler of the Florida-based Terri Schindler Shiavo Foundation placed the blame on a medical establishment quick to dismiss patients with brain injuries.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

"What is the rush?" he asked. "This is not the first time we've heard of cases like this where doctors want to write off the chance of recovery, and the family, when they're told this, will make a decision to end a person's life.

"In the case of Mr. Ramirez, he'd be dead now."

Why is Jesse alive? His family sought legal intervention with the help of the Alliance Defense Fund:
His siblings and parents refused to give him up for dead, and today, Jesse Ramirez is alive and conscious.

Two weeks ago, he was the center of a family battling over of whether he should live or die.

Now, he can hug and kiss, nod his head, answer yes and no questions, give a thumbs-up sign and sit in a chair.

Related:

A Miracle for Jesse Ramirez and His Family

Jesse Ramirez Conscious, Moved To Rehab Facility

Accident victim awakens


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: civilrights; giannajessen; jebbush; jesseramirez; jgreer; medialies; parentsrights; schindler; terridailies; terrischiavo
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To: T'wit

And I thought Sicko was an autobiography.


161 posted on 07/09/2007 4:17:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Why Intellectuals Like Genocide

As Orwell, Chesterton and others have observed, intellectuals, as a class, will believe anything. They are so lopsidedly "mental," they live in a dream world unchecked by heart, soul, body, higher values, family, or normal relationships with others. This mentality, in turn, makes them think themselves god-like (a liberal habit), which turns them blind, stupid, evil and corrupt.

If you want someone who knows what makes the world go 'round, talk to a farmer.

162 posted on 07/09/2007 4:30:44 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> And I thought Sicko was an autobiography.

Just the first volume. Forthcoming are 2) "Slob," 3) "Depraved," 4) "Lefto" and the final chapter, posthumously, "Morbid Obesity, Type Two Diabetes, Emphysema, Dialysis, Persistent Vegetative State and Removal of PEG Tube."

163 posted on 07/09/2007 4:38:25 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Scary that someone as crazy and/or corrupt as Judge Greer is still on the bench.


164 posted on 07/09/2007 9:02:38 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser

LOL


165 posted on 07/09/2007 9:03:51 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser
Doesn't look like "Daddy of the Year."

BTW, I appreciate the pings. I have been away off and on and get so many for some really odd topics, that it is easy to overlook them.

166 posted on 07/09/2007 9:33:03 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3
Thank you. It is very easy to find oneself inundated with pings and tough to go through all of them to do them justice. As I found out when we took our break and trip on AMTRAK we are quickly overwhelmed with catch-up.

(Not to be confused with catsup...we had plenty of that aboard the train...LOL)

167 posted on 07/10/2007 2:55:18 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Of all things consistent in the fallout after Terri's passing, one topic recurs with stubborn consistency and we hear both sides of it time and again, not necessarily the best advice.

That topic is "Living Wills". Ironically, the weakness of "living wills" is illustrated by what happened to Terri. As hubby may have said, "We don't need no steenkin living wills."

A different approach may be to review what the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation put out on their website, "Will To Live"

Here is the story published today in the Olympian...

...............................

The Terri Schiavo case two years ago crystalized for many the need to leave clear directions in case of severe illness, says Wynne Whitman, a tax trust and estate lawyer in Morristown, N.J.

As the country was riveted by the disagreement between Schiavo's parents and husband over whether her feeding tube should be removed, queries about setting up living wills poured into Whitman's office.

Whitman and Louisville, Ky.-based oncologist Shawn Glisson have co-written "Wants, Wishes, and Wills," a new book that combines legal and medical advice for protecting yourself and your family - in sickness and in health.

In short, they outline four musts:

- a will, to divide up your assets after you die.

- a "living will" that outlines how much health care you'd want if you can no longer make that decision.

- a health care proxy that appoints someone to make medical decisions for you, again if you're unable.

- and power of attorney that designates someone to make financial decisions for you, such as paying taxes or selling property, if you can't.

Dying has become more complicated, Whitman argues, citing treatment for diseases such as Alzheimer's. "Our population is aging," she says. "We see a lot more cognitive defects. We also see the ability for people to live much longer with what traditionally may have been diseases that were really death sentences."

YOUR TWO CENTS -- Saying 'I will'

8mm


168 posted on 07/10/2007 3:22:22 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Meanwhile, this appears today in the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation website. What makes me wince is that for a time in Oregon, our son was prescribed phenobarb in much smaller doses, nevertheless suffering the other effects.

New visitors can be better informed checking out the abundance of information in their website.

.............................

For the past two years, the family of Hillsboro software engineer Wendy Melcher has believed that Melcher died from cancer.

What they didn’t know, until last week, was that four days before Melcher died in August 2005 two Portland-area nurses gave her massive amounts of drugs intended to cause her death. The drugs were administered in what the nurses would later call an assisted-suicide plan directed by Melcher.

The nurses have admitted to the
Oregon State Board of Nursing that they administered doses of morphine and phenobarbital without informing Melcher’s physician. Oregon’s Death With Dignity Act — the only such law in the nation — allows assisted suicide but only with the assistance of a physician.

The nurses now are under investigation for possible criminal wrongdoing by state police and the Oregon attorney general after a former employee of the Oregon State Board of Nursing two weeks ago provided Gov. Ted Kulongoski information about the case.

Read Entire Story . . .

Comments From Wesley J. Smith . . .

Nurses' Role in Death Probed

8mm

169 posted on 07/10/2007 3:30:16 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; TheSarce; SubGeniusX; BykrBayb
SubGeniusX has done a separate thread on an article we posted earlier. Thanks to TheSarce for pinging to it. It is the one all about the new and improved Hemlock Society and its lifetime memberships...

BTW in the video she wears an oxygen assist tube. From what I know of those devices and their use, I am sure she could have removed it for the video but kept it on to enhance her victim status. IMHO.

Marcelle Jones has thought a lot about how her life might end. She has been treated for a serious medical problem for several years, and while it has not gotten worse, eventually "it's going to get me," said Jones, 82.

Long before she moved to Lakeland in 1990, Jones had joined the Hemlock Society - now known as Compassion and Choices - an organization that provides information about how terminally ill people can end their lives, either through passive means or, if they choose, by suicide.

Lakeland Woman Considers Suicide Once Illness Turns Terminal (w/ video)

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170 posted on 07/10/2007 3:39:08 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
We get good news from Missouri in a thread by wagglebee. Now there is a Governor who truly is Blunt!

JEFFERSON CITY, July 9, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The state of Missouri has voted to improve oversight of abortion facilities and ban abortionists or people associated with abortion clinics from teaching in schools and providing school materials. The new law reclassifies abortion mills as "ambulatory surgical centers," which places them under stricter regulations and puts them under the scrutiny of state officials.

Governor Blunt said at the signing ceremony that the new law is "one of the strongest pieces of pro-life legislation in Missouri history".

Missouri Bans Planned Parenthood from School Sex Ed Classes

8mm

171 posted on 07/10/2007 3:44:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Ping to a wagglebee thread on the same topic posted by the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation linked above.

This is from LifeSiteNews...

PORTLAND, Oregon, July 9, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Two Portland-area nurses have admitted to the Oregon State Board of Nursing that they administered massive doses of morphine and Phenobarbital to a woman dying of cancer with the intention of causing her death. The Portland Tribune reports that the state Board of Nursing was alerted to the nurses' action, but took more than a year investigating and did not report the incident to police.

Nurses Investigated In Oregon Assisted Suicide Case - Killed Patient Without a Physician

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172 posted on 07/10/2007 3:51:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Wagglebee thread on an article by Rusty Pugh. Pro-life Pugh posits Planned Parenthood promotes promiscuity.

Whew!

In fitting irony, PP calls it "Nobody's Fool." Typical of PP to twist words this way as they make fools out of their followers...

This is the 18th year of the Planned Parenthood "Nobody's Fool" conference, which the group promotes as "comprehensive sex education." But John Pisciotta of Pro-Life Waco has another name for it -- he calls it a "promiscuity promotion conference."

Pisciotta says Planned Parenthood has one objective: to teach children about sex so that they will have sex and, when they are panicked into thinking they must end the child's life for their convenience, come to Planned Parenthood for an abortion. "It's a marketing ploy to try to get the youngsters to kind of link two concepts -- sex and Planned Parenthood," says the pro-life leader.

Pro-life leader says Planned Parenthood promotes promiscuity

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173 posted on 07/10/2007 4:01:14 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Sun
I have to thank Sun for bring up this great list of links to facts on Terri Schiavo and events. It is very comprehensive and required reading for any new visitors who had sipped the Kool Aid and suppose they are more savvy than we.

Here is where Sun posts it: Post # 1,366

And here is the site containing all the links...

HPA's Terri Schindler Schiavo Documents and Links Page

8mm

174 posted on 07/10/2007 4:15:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was killed in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.
175 posted on 07/10/2007 4:19:12 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was killed in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

176 posted on 07/10/2007 4:30:46 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: aruanan; T'wit
>>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was killed in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

>Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death and brutally murdered in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

177 posted on 07/10/2007 4:39:38 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; beaversmom; T'wit; bjs1779; BykrBayb
Jayla update...

Ping to a thread by beaversmom on the topic I posted on #110, and on sleaze James.

This is from the Boston Globe.

James was arraigned yesterday on charges of child assault and mayhem, while Silveira was arraigned on charges of permitting and covering up the abuse. The couple, who were arrested on Wednesday, pleaded not guilty and were held without bail.

DSS PROBE WENT UNFINISHED (Before girl, 3, was mutilated...)

8mm

178 posted on 07/10/2007 4:55:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: aruanan; 8mmMauser
>>>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

>>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was killed in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

>> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

> Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death and brutally murdered in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who was tortured to death and brutally murdered ex officio in 2005 by the direct, illegal, unconstitutional and prejudiced order of circuit judge George Greer, acting ultra vires, after a decades-long court battle.

179 posted on 07/10/2007 5:58:51 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser
What's wrong with this picture? Biological father thinks ex-partner is a good mother, but ex-partner in a notsogoodmotherly way lets non-biological father figure have bedroom privileges and mutilate her daughter by human bites, which, by the way, are highly infectious. State agency flubs case completely, but then, this agency always does and the state in question elects Democrat state officials over and over, so you can see how bright they are and what hope there is for a mutilated 3-year-old. State's U.S. senators are Chappaquidick Ted Kennedy and Swiftboat John Kerry.

I see no hope here, ever.

180 posted on 07/10/2007 6:11:33 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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