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What's the Rush?
ProLifeblogs ^ | June 27 2007 | plb

Posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:40 AM PDT by 8mmMauser

Edited on 07/02/2007 4:50:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

That's the question Bobby Schindler asked in the case involving Jesse Ramirez, the Arizona man whose case paralleled that of Schindler's sister, Terri Schiavo, until Ramirez woke up. The Arizona Republic reports:

...Bobby Schindler of the Florida-based Terri Schindler Shiavo Foundation placed the blame on a medical establishment quick to dismiss patients with brain injuries.

Schindler is the brother of Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman who died in 2005 after a decades-long court battle.

"What is the rush?" he asked. "This is not the first time we've heard of cases like this where doctors want to write off the chance of recovery, and the family, when they're told this, will make a decision to end a person's life.

"In the case of Mr. Ramirez, he'd be dead now."

Why is Jesse alive? His family sought legal intervention with the help of the Alliance Defense Fund:
His siblings and parents refused to give him up for dead, and today, Jesse Ramirez is alive and conscious.

Two weeks ago, he was the center of a family battling over of whether he should live or die.

Now, he can hug and kiss, nod his head, answer yes and no questions, give a thumbs-up sign and sit in a chair.

Related:

A Miracle for Jesse Ramirez and His Family

Jesse Ramirez Conscious, Moved To Rehab Facility

Accident victim awakens


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: civilrights; giannajessen; jebbush; jesseramirez; jgreer; medialies; parentsrights; schindler; terridailies; terrischiavo
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The events striking Jesse Ramirez are now covered in recent days and relate to what happened to Terri Schiavo.
1 posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Ping...

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2 posted on 07/01/2007 3:28:54 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Ping to Jesse Ramirez topics by wagglebee.

CHANDLER, Arizona, June 28, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Written off by doctors as a hopeless “vegetable”, an Arizona man would not now be on his way to recovery from an accident caused by a marital quarrel if not for his family’s unrelenting struggle for his life.

The Arizona Republic reports that on Wednesday, Jesse Ramirez, awoke from his nearly month long persistent vegetative state (PVS) and now “can hug and kiss, nod his head, answer yes and no questions, give a thumbs-up sign and sit in a chair.”

If not for the past few weeks’ legal battles that ended Tuesday with a favorable settlement for him and his family, Jesse Ramirez, who depended on feeding tubes for food and water, would certainly have died in circumstances very similar to the tragic 2005 death of Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

Jesse Ramirez, Considered a “Vegetable” Like Terri Schiavo, Now on His Way to Recovery

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3 posted on 07/01/2007 3:32:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Ping to thread from wagglebee:

It is an episode that some are already suggesting echoes the 2005 case of Terri Schiavo, a woman whose brain injury led to a persistent vegetative state. In her case, a protracted legal battle between her husband and Schiavo's family ended in the removal of her feeding tube and her subsequent death.

But ethicists debate the extent to which this comparison is valid.

Pulling the Plug: Ethicists Debate Ramirez Case

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4 posted on 07/01/2007 3:36:50 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
From the Loft...

Don’t expect to find this miraculous story in the pages of the New York Times or featured on CNN, because it would undermine their pro-euthanasia political agenda. In Arizona, a woman had doctors remove food, water, and medicine life support from her husband, Jesse Ramirez, a few days after he entered a coma due to a car rollover accident on May 30. Ramirez, a Gulf War veteran, and his wife had been arguing in the car over a cell phone number of another man that Ramirez found in her cell phone when the rollover happened. Ramirez suffered a broken neck, fractured skull and face, punctured lung and broken ribs. Only 10 days after the accident, his wife instructed doctors to remove all life support from him. His family objected and the Alliance Defense Fund filed an emergency motion with the court on their behalf. Maricopa County Superior court Judge Paul Katz wisely ordered on June 13 that Ramirez be put back on life support and assigned a guardian ad litem as his advocate while the legal arguments were sorted out. Ramirez’s wife responded by petitioning the court again asking to remove him from life support.

Bet you didn’t hear about this Terri Schiavo-like case in Arizona

8mm

5 posted on 07/01/2007 3:39:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; az4vlad; lula
The above post was from a thread from az4vlad. Thanks for the ping, lula.

Here is the thread.

Bet you didn’t hear about this Terri Schiavo-like case in Arizona

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6 posted on 07/01/2007 3:48:39 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

We just had something like this happen in our area. A young lady suffering from diabetes and in need of dialysis was being taken care of at home by her elderly parents...well the process of taking care of her was getting to be too much for the old couple so they decided to not feed or give her water and they stopped dialysis as well. This young lady (early 40’s) has a son and was not wanting to die. Someone in the caregivers loop turned them into the state...but unfortunately she passed away the day after they finally showed up. It made me sick...my husband wanted me to go to the funeral...but I have no sympathy for anyone who could just stand by and watch their own daughter starve and dehydrate to death.


7 posted on 07/01/2007 3:50:02 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: leenie312

Thanks. It is happening more often than we sometimes realize. That is why we keep watching and keep vigilant. Every once in awhile, we can prevent things like this with some attention.

8mm


8 posted on 07/01/2007 4:00:26 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Good info! bttt!


9 posted on 07/01/2007 4:02:13 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (THOMPSON NEEDS TO CLARIFY HIS POSITION ON THE SPP BEFORE I SUPPORT HIM.)
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To: All; BykrBayb; T'wit; floriduh voter
BB, I'm copying this from your previous post in the other thread.

WOO HOO!!!


(Jesse Ramirez)
Family of man on life support
agrees to continue care

10 posted on 07/01/2007 4:02:42 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb
This time I'm me, busy plagiarizing your stuff!

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

11 posted on 07/01/2007 4:15:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Why in the world does the medical establishment let an adulterous spouse make the decision whether the other spouse lives or dies? Talk about a conflict of interest...particularly when there is a life insurance payment in the offing.


12 posted on 07/01/2007 4:27:59 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib
>> Why in the world does the medical establishment let an adulterous spouse make the decision whether the other spouse lives or dies? Talk about a conflict of interest...particularly when there is a life insurance payment in the offing.

According to the law -- at least before the medical establishment started slip-sliding all over the place -- the ONLY window to "pull the plug" was the patient's informed choice to refuse treatment. Euthanasia is still illegal. Assisted suicide is still illegal. The patient must make the decision. If the patient is incapacitated, it goes to court and the guardian or relatives may be consulted as to the patient's wishes. (That's the stage where the heirs tell the judge that grandma couldn't wait to die and leave them her money.)

In Terri's case, the Greer Court helped Michael's lawyers fake Terri's wishes. The only testimony allowed -- and it was pathetically weak -- was from Michael, his brother, and his sister-in-law. Nothing from Terri's own family.

It is interesting that, after all the years of claiming that Terri wanted to die, Michael finally got his chance to report (under oath) what she had said about it. Which turned out to be -- nothing at all. All he could come up with was two vague sentences of a sort specifically banned as evidence in other courts.

13 posted on 07/01/2007 5:09:22 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser

God rest Terri’s soul, and prayers for Jesse’s full recovery.

If these people believe in God, I say prove it.

Life should be our most cherished of values.


14 posted on 07/01/2007 5:24:44 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 8mmMauser
GOD will judge harshly those that were on satan’s side in this... and there is nothing any activist of either party can do about it. Their price will be paid in a burning furnace of hell!

LLS

15 posted on 07/01/2007 5:26:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The above post is about Terry.

LLS


16 posted on 07/01/2007 5:27:06 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: leenie312
Yet the fact that they could, and they did, speaks volumes.
I suspect this story is like the planks of a ship wrecked at sea that have been washed up on the beach; more is missing to us than will ever be known.
17 posted on 07/01/2007 5:58:04 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: 8mmMauser

Thanks for the ping, 8mm. If it wasn’t for FR, these people would be literally swept under the rug. Granted, there are a lot of things happening right now, but if they can do 24/7 coverage on Paris Hilton, they sure can discuss more important issues like Jesse Ramirez, and his condition. Glad to hear he’s doing better :)


18 posted on 07/01/2007 6:55:36 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: 8mmMauser
Jesse was fortunate not to be starved and dehydrated to death. Arizona starves and dehydrates a higher percentage of their brain damaged residents than the national average. Almost twice as high. More than three times as high as Florida.

In 1999, 10.4% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

In 2000, 11.0% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

In 2001, 11.4% of the “severely” cognitively impaired residents of the United States were starved and dehydrated to death.

I haven't found data yet for other years, but I think it's a fair guess that the killings continue to climb.

This doesn't represent a percentage of patients who died (which would be bad enough). It doesn't mean that 11.4% of the patients who died were starved and dehydrated. It means 11.4% of all the people living in the U.S.A. with “severe” cognitive impairments were killed this way. And it doesn't include the ones who were killed using other methods, such as denial of antibiotics for simple infections, cessation of kidney dialysis, removal of breathing assistance, etc. There are some very barbaric methods being used.

The standard used for determining “severe” cognitive impairment for the purpose of this study is a score of 5 or less on the Mini Mental State Examination (MMSE). Patients in a coma or PVS cannot possibly score 1, much less 5. You've probably seen people in the grocery store with a score of 5 or less. So these killings include a wide range of brain damaged people. I wonder how many thousands of people are living with a score of 5 or less. And for every 1,000 people living with a score of 5 or less in the year 2001, 114 of them were starved and dehydrated to death that year.

All I have before me are the percentages. I'd like to see the corresponding numbers. Or would I?

Following is the breakdown by state for 2001. Notice that Rhode Island tops the list, with just over a third of that population exterminated this way. That might have something to do with the fact that RI has appointed the pro-euthanasia group Choice in Dying the official State agency in charge of informing the public about “end-of-life choices.” They supply forms for “living wills” and “assist” the public in filling out those forms. This is what happens when you put the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Believe it or not, Florida and Texas are both below the national average. Every state is on the list. Georgia is at the bottom of the list, exterminating only 1.30% this way. But like I said, this doesn't include people who were exterminated using other methods.

RI - 33.80%
OR - 32.50%
MI - 28.30%
MT - 28.00%
WI - 27.20%
CA - 23.40%
UT - 23.40%
AZ - 20.90%
PA - 17.40%
MN - 17.20%
AK - 17.10%
CT - 15.40%
WY - 14.90%
MD - 14.60%
NM - 14.20%
SD - 14.10%
WA - 13.20%
OH - 12.90%
ID - 12.30%
IA - 12.10%
MO - 11.90%
National Average - 11.4%
VT - 11.20%
HI - 11.10%
DE - 10.80%
ND - 10.80%
MA - 9.90%
IN - 9.70%
ME - 9.20%
NH - 8.70%
NY - 8.50%
NE - 7.70%
CO - 7.20%
AL - 7.10%
TX - 7.10%
IL - 6.70%
WV - 6.70%
KY - 6.60%
SC - 6.50%
TN - 6.30%
FL - 6.20%
NV - 6.20%
AR - 5.70%
NC - 5.20%
KS - 4.80%
NJ - 4.80%
OK - 4.10%
LA - 3.70%
VA - 3.60%
DC - 3.10%
MS - 3.00%
GA - 1.30%

Facts On Dying ~ This study was funded by The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, who adamantly opposes the rights of vulnerable people to continue living. So if any trolls show up, complaining that the data is skewed in favor of life, check the facts and get back to me.

19 posted on 07/01/2007 10:34:04 AM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ )
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To: 8mmMauser; BykrBayb

Great new Terri Daily thread!

I wonder when the visitors will find it. There have been a few around while you were gone reposting Mikey’s talking points.


20 posted on 07/01/2007 10:56:29 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
We should remind our visitors that the Terri's Daily threads are for supporting the right of cognitively disabled people to live. This thread is not for debating whether or not they have that right. It's not for debating whether some imaginary right that they do not wish to excercise takes precedence over the right to life.

Before posting to this, or any thread, FReepers should read and understand Statement by the founder of Free Republic.


21 posted on 07/01/2007 11:54:26 AM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ )
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To: BykrBayb; 8mmMauser; T'wit
We should remind our visitors that the Terri's Daily threads are for supporting the right of cognitively disabled people to live. This thread is not for debating whether or not they have that right.

Hell, we've had a hard enough time lately getting the trolls to understand that Free Republic is for CONSERVATIVES!

22 posted on 07/01/2007 12:01:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser

What’s the Rush? Her husband wanted to get married to his fiance and did not have time to wait for her to die so he helped her out. He is scum but unfortunately she is not coming back to life.


23 posted on 07/01/2007 12:05:53 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Jesse Ramirez (who this article is about) is much more fortunate. Many are not. See post 19. It’s wonderful to have a place to gather so we can help people like Terri Schiavo, Jesse Ramirez, Ora Mae Maguirk, and the many others who are targeted for death for the “crime” of being cognitively disabled.


24 posted on 07/01/2007 12:11:16 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ )
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To: BykrBayb

The site scared me because Pennsylvania kills folks like this at a high rate...at least higher than the national average. I will have to be very vigilant when or if my parents, siblings, wife, kids etc are ever in this position.


25 posted on 07/01/2007 12:13:49 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I suspect that the majority of the people starved and dehydrated to death have family members that just don’t realize what’s going on. The medical staff uses euphemisms to fool the less informed into believing they’re doing their loved ones a favor. I hope people are becoming more informed about this barbaric practice. I know my family is better informed.


26 posted on 07/01/2007 12:18:02 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ )
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To: BykrBayb

Personal experiences in recent years with such situations occurred both in Rhode Island and Oregon. Looks like they are the top two killer states. At least Maine is down the list. Of course we are pretty well armed, so if they come for me...


27 posted on 07/01/2007 1:01:22 PM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

BUMP


28 posted on 07/01/2007 4:33:13 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser

Euthanasia Blues


29 posted on 07/01/2007 7:48:43 PM PDT by BykrBayb (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub ~ )
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Jesse Ramirez update...

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"Right now he is sleeping comfortably."

Disappointed but not discouraged, Teresea Ramirez, the mother of Jesse Ramirez talked with 12 News after her son was transfered from hospice to a health care facility in Mesa.

It's a milepost of sorts for Jessie. A small step in what promises to be a long road toward recovery. While Teresa sees the new surroundings as a step up for her son, it is not where she would like him to be. Teresa says, "Jesse belongs where there's 24 hour nursing, 24 hour doctor care and where he has speech therapy, physical therapy, and they check his vision."

Last month Jesse suffered severe brain injuries when the SUV he was driving crashed. Both Ramirez and his wife Rebecca were ejected from the car. He was alive but unresponsive in the hospital when his wife decided to move him to a hospice facility. After ten days, she made the decision to pull his feeding tube.

That triggered a court battle between family members who wanted to keep Jesse on the feeding tube and his wife who thought it was time to let go. A judge ordered the feeding tube reinserted. Days later Ramirez began showing signs of life. Recognizing voices. Doctors called it a miracle.

Since then Teresa Ramirez says her son continues to show signs of improvement. Ramirez says, "He's gotten to be pretty strong on his hands because he'll pull himself up on the rail to a sitting position almost."

Small steps.

Jesse Ramirez takes one step in road to recovery.

8mm


30 posted on 07/02/2007 2:55:27 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; T'wit; wagglebee; bjs1779; TheSarce; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; amdgmary

BykrBayb, on your post #29 just above, I was stunned at watching the YouTube clip on euthanasia. They did an amazing job of pulling together the truths. I strongly recommend viewing it to all. Thanks for the find.

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31 posted on 07/02/2007 3:07:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
No surprise the Living Will perspective appears in the case of Jesse Ramirez.

The recent brush with death for Jesse Ramirez of Chandler, and last year’s attempt by Congress to intervene on behalf of Terry Schiavo, grabbed the public’s attention because such rare legal dramas involve the highest possible stakes — life and the quality of that life.

While usually taking place in private, intense and emotional clashes between family members who disagree strongly on the best course for treatment occur frequently in hospital rooms and hospice centers across the country. Many loved ones fear that making the wrong choice will lead to the unusual nightmare that Ramirez faced before a court stepped in — condemned to die by withholding food and water when it turns out he still has a good chance of survival and recovery.

Far more often, the inevitable outcome is simply delayed for weeks or months (or in Schiavo’s case for years), as families and loved ones argue with each other and wrestle with their own consciences about whether to hold out or to let go. In a variety of situations, the question isn’t a clear “let her live or die?” Instead the issue can be a series of trade-offs involving different forms of treatment: Should a limb be amputated? How much risk is acceptable in emergency surgery? What should be done about unexpected complications?

Living will helps ease loved ones’ burden

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32 posted on 07/02/2007 3:11:51 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; greyfoxx39; wagglebee
Sounds like right-to-be-kept-in-the-dark goes hand in hand with right-to-die kill. Greyfoxx39 brings us a thread on a mind boggling perspective of the death worshippers. Thanks for the ping, wagglebee.

The increasing use of ultrasound exams at crisis pregnancy centers brings criticism from clinics that provide abortion. They see its use as manipulating pregnant women. Eve Espey, obstetrician/gynecologist at University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center, said CPCs are looking at legislation to force women to view an ultrasound before having an abortion.

"I think it's very much a coercive measure," said Espey, "because I think it gets back to your basic right to have the information you want to have."

Ultrasounds Used To Change Minds

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33 posted on 07/02/2007 3:20:44 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
As a frequent reminder of why we persevere, we have the happier times now of Scott Thomas. Visitors who scoff at such efforts may check out the site, Scott's Fight to see the horror from which Scott emerged.

Here is a picture of Scott in more recent times...

Check out the new pictures in the Photo Gallery of this man who would have been killed by the wishes of his spouse.

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34 posted on 07/02/2007 3:33:17 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BykrBayb

Great job. Everybody should see this video and reflect on it. Are we decent compassionate people, or do we kill the weak and helpless so we don’t have to bother with them?


35 posted on 07/02/2007 4:06:24 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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To: 8mmMauser

That’s the difference between Jesse’s family and Terri’s hino. As in everything, follow the money.


36 posted on 07/02/2007 7:49:14 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Meant to add - besided following the money, one should look at how has the most to gain in them NOT waking up.


37 posted on 07/02/2007 7:51:11 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Jesse Ramirez update...

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Jesse Ramirez unintentionally became the center of significant controversy after a car accident left him in a "minimally conscious" state. Ten days into his recovery his wife decided to withdraw what I consider to be basic care by removing his feeding tube. Jesse was also transferred to a hospice.

In response, his family took legal action and, with the assistance of the Alliance Defense Fund, were successful in restoring basic care. In addition, the presiding judge appointed Judith Morse as Jesse's guardian ad litem with the agreement of the parties

Late last week, an attorney knowledgeable about the case provided an insightful view of Jesse's situation in this article, clearing up a number of misimpressions and mistakes made in the reporting of the case. For instance, a gag order was never put in place and, from a legal perspective, Jesse's wife never had the authority to direct medical personnel to remove his feeding tube. In addition, reports of Jesse waking up (more here) appear to have been somewhat inaccurate:

On Tuesday, June 26, 2007, the parties gathered for another hearing. After the parties met behind closed doors for about an hour, Ms. Morse presented her report in court. She noted that the parties had agreed (1) that she would select a neurologist to evaluate Jesse's current condition, (2) that she would select a third party to serve as Jesse's guardian, (3) that they would dismiss Scottsdale Healthcare and Hospice of the Valley from the case, and (4) that all further communications with hospice or hospital employees would be through counsel.

Then Ms. Morse reported that she had already located a neurologist who would evaluate Jesse's condition. In fact, after a preliminary examination over the weekend, he had concluded that Jesse was conscious and responsive. Ms. Morse summarized the doctor's findings by saying that Jesse is aware of who he is, aware of who his family is, and is responding to oral commands. As a result, she noted that Jesse will soon be transferred to another facility for rehabilitation, therapy, and further medical care.

Although it does not appear that Jesse suddenly "woke up", the fact that he was in a conscious and responsive condition appears to validate the prior assertions by his family and impugn the decisions and actions by others who stopped feeding him.

Those following the case should read the entire article (click here).

We continue to receive reports regarding Jesse's treatment and hope to provide an update for our readers in the next couple of days.

The case of Jesse Ramirez

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38 posted on 07/03/2007 3:32:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Jesse Ramirez update above!

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39 posted on 07/03/2007 3:33:36 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Here is a topic spurred by Terri's Legacy on Advanced Planning.

Advance directives promise patients a say in their future care but actually have had little effect. Many experts blame problems with completion and implementation, but the advance directive concept itself may be fundamentally flawed. Advance directives simply presuppose more control over future care than is realistic. Medical crises cannot be predicted in detail, making most prior instructions difficult to adapt, irrelevant, or even misleading. Furthermore, many proxies either do not know patients' wishes or do not pursue those wishes effectively. Thus, unexpected problems arise often to defeat advance directives, as the case in this paper illustrates. Because advance directives offer only limited benefit, advance care planning should emphasize not the completion of directives but the emotional preparation of patients and families for future crises. The existentialist Albert Camus might suggest that physicians should warn patients and families that momentous, unforeseeable decisions lie ahead. Then, when the crisis hits, physicians should provide guidance; should help make decisions despite the inevitable uncertainties; should share responsibility for those decisions; and, above all, should courageously see patients and families through the fearsome experience of dying.

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Flawed in concept and not just use, advance directives provide little control over future care (6, 7, 64). The last-minute objections to comfort care by Mr. Jones's daughter illustrate the many unexpected problems that can defeat advance directives. Thus, I urge deemphasizing advance directives while searching for better approaches to advance care planning. Camus's ideas suggest one approach that stresses honest communication (33, 57, 75); preparation of patients and families for death's harsh and unpredictable reality (7, 66); mutual support; nonformulaic, individualized care; and courageous decision making despite uncertainties. At the end of Camus' The Plague, the main character—a physician named Rieux—reflects on his role throughout the plague epidemic. He realizes that, along with providing care that had to be given "by all who strive ... to be healers," he bore witness to patients' suffering (76). Physicians surely have the duty to fight disease in most circumstances, but physicians always have the still greater duty to see patients and survivors through their suffering and thereby to bear witness to it. Perhaps that greater duty lifts medicine from a mere occupation to a true profession.

Controlling Death: The False Promise of Advance Directives

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40 posted on 07/03/2007 3:38:59 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The HBO documentary...

Hard to watch, and hard not to keep watching, the HBO documentary "Coma" is not actually about coma but about what comes after. (The more accurate "Traumatic Brain Injury" isn't quite as arresting a title.) A state of profound unconsciousness from which a person cannot wake, a coma provides no information; whatever there is to say about it, there is nothing there to see. It is a dark pool. When the eyes open, the coma ends and the questions begin.

The idea here is simple. Director Liz Garbus (the Oscar-nominated, Emmy-winning "The Farm: Angola, USA") follows four patients at the Center for Head Injuries at the JFK Medical Center in Edison, N.J., over the course of a year, during which time two improve and two do not. When we meet them, all have already emerged into either a vegetative state (awake but unaware) or a state of minimal consciousness (in which a patient fitfully exhibits signs of deliberate response). All are young or relatively young; two fell from great heights, two were injured in car accidents.

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Garbus gives a little social-historical context through a medley of clips touching on some of the best-known cases, including Karen Ann Quinlan, Sunny von Bülow, Terry Schiavo and Terry Wallis, who in 2004 began to speak after 19 years in a minimally conscious state. (The subject stays in the news: In March, a Colorado woman awoke from six years in a vegetative state, only to slip away again after three days.

'Coma' explores darkest corners

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41 posted on 07/03/2007 3:42:20 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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More on Coma due to air today on HBO...

While the camera remains dispassionate, the filmmakers clearly have an agenda. Spurred by the Terri Schiavo media spectacle in Florida, they set out to show that it's difficult and sometimes impossible to determine what's going on in the brain, even when a patient seems conscious. One of those being treated here, for example, refuses to cooperate with therapists. Further testing shows that he can read written words but can no longer hear.

PEARSON: A sad, insightful peek at the brain

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42 posted on 07/03/2007 3:45:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Can we survive without the predictable barbs squirting from Puffington Host on a regular basis?

Experts say President Bush long ago earned the shameful silk on matters of Iraq, huge tax cuts for the wealthy after 9/11, and the environment, while others believe it was the Terri Schiavo affair that took him over the top and iced the honor. The White House cited scheduling conflicts for the delay in bestowing the family prize, and noted it was wonderful that the Russian -- a man whose very soul the president says he has seen -- could participate.

Love Among The Ruins: Bush Snags Family 'Shame' Award

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43 posted on 07/03/2007 3:49:04 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Terri's Legacy continues apace in large part due to the obsession of the leftists with the topic. It haunts them like Lady MacBeth, and they cannot clean the stain.

The Terry Schiavo case brings the fundamentalist's tactics into sharp focus. Congress was called into emergency session over a weekend by DeLay and Frist. Frist, an alleged M.D., even made a diagnosis from the floor of the Senate without bothering to do even the most rudimentary physical examination of the patient. Bush received the legislation he wanted so that he could sign it at warp speed. Fortunately, the courts stepped in to stop the nonsense. How long we can rely on that is problematic as Bush has had many appointments to the federal bench, both confirmed and recess.

How much longer will our sacred tradition of absolute religious freedom continue? Does anyone out there really care?

The Creeping Fundamentalist Theocracy

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44 posted on 07/03/2007 3:53:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Wagglebee thread on the geniuses at MIT...

Boston, MA (LifeNews.com) -- A Massachusetts Institute of Technology stem cell researcher who has been denied tenure has no been locked out of his laboratory. Dr. James L. Sherley, a black associate professor of biological engineering who opposes embryonic stem cell research and human cloning, has said he is a victim of racism.

Sherley has been an outspoken advocate against human cloning -- including the kind of therapeutic cloning his colleagues and other scientists want to use to create and destroy human embryos for their stem cells.

Persecuted MIT Stem Cell Research Professor Locked Out of Laboratory

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45 posted on 07/03/2007 4:01:21 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Great Scot, Great Scott! Wagglebee thread on a Scot with courage exceeding perhaps her own judgment.

London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A teenager in the UK is facing threats from her school for wearing a t-shirt that has a message opposing abortion. Sarah Scott, a 16 year-old who gave birth just four months ago, says the staff at Banff Academy complained when she wore a shirt with the message "Abortion is Murder” printed on it.

Scott attends the Aberdeenshire, Scotland school and wore the shirt on a day when students are permitted to wear casual clothes instead of their normal uniforms.

Scotland Teenager Faces Threats From School For T-Shirt Against Abortion

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46 posted on 07/03/2007 4:06:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Planned Parenthood is Anti-Choice??? Wow, sort of.

Wagglebee thread...

Ever since Roe v. Wade, over 30 years ago, Planned Parenthood has rallied its forces around the banner of CHOICE. The ultimate insult, by extension, has been anti-choice. If you are an enemy of Planned Parenthood, the banner is hoisted high in the sky and voices rise in shrill chants, "Anti-choice, anti-choice, anti-choice!"

Thus, it is a momentous occasion when Planned Parenthood has adopted the tactics of the enemy. Planned Parenthood is ANTI-CHOICE! Yes, it is. Really!

Perspectives: Planned Parenthood opposes choice (Abstinence)

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47 posted on 07/03/2007 4:09:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Just for the record, it has always been illegal to withdraw care from a minimally conscious patient. By law, the patient MUST be brain dead or PVS, i.e., having no consciousness (they think) and unable to feel pain (they think).

Also for the record, nobody really knows what consciousness is and nobody can tell for certain, from the outside, what's going on inside the brain. If there are no signals or responses, they say, well, this patient isn't conscious. But they don't know in any scientific way.

I think whatever our physical condition, God has a channel to communicate with us.

48 posted on 07/03/2007 5:07:23 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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>> Frist, an alleged M.D., even made a diagnosis from the floor of the Senate without bothering to do even the most rudimentary physical examination of the patient.

The media made THEIR diagnoses of Terri without examinations. Also without knowing the first thing about medicine.

49 posted on 07/03/2007 5:12:35 AM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: you come here expecting a turkey shoot, and then you find out that you are the turkey.)
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Ah, but they are the media so they don’t have to know anything about medicine or even reporting. They give themselves a pass.


50 posted on 07/03/2007 5:16:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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