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Senate Rejects Bush Immigration Plan ( Lindsey Graham says...)
The Associated Press ^ | June 29, 2007 | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 07/01/2007 6:40:56 AM PDT by george76

Hours after a massive immigration bill collapsed in the Senate, lawmakers and lobbyists began seeking ways to pass bits and pieces of the measure important to their constituents.

In an interview earlier this week, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. _ a backer of the sidetracked immigration bill _ said the one-at-a-time approach may prove impossible, even for tougher border-enforcement measures that now seem popular.

"The only way we're going to get Ag jobs or DREAM Act" or pathways to legal status for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, Graham said, "is to do it together.

This idea of 'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New Mexico; US: South Carolina; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; congress; deathofthegop; democrats; dream; dreamact; elections; graham; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; lindsey; lindseygraham; securefence; securefenceact
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We could try to enforce the law ?

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1 posted on 07/01/2007 6:40:57 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
We could try to enforce the law ?

Nah. "No votes for that."

2 posted on 07/01/2007 6:43:01 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: upchuck; swampfox

Last year, the Secure Fence Act, which mandated 854 miles of border fencing, passed the US Senate 80-19, passed the US House 283-138, and was signed into law by the president.

There did seem to be some votes for that, no?

http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=18175


3 posted on 07/01/2007 6:43:33 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Now is not the time to let up. We need to pressure our politicians to enforce the existing immigration laws including deporting illegal aliens, building the fence and prosecuting businesses who do business with illegal aliens. The link below is a ping list to pay attention for other questionable legislation being considered in Congress.

Keeping Track Of The Congress Critters
4 posted on 07/01/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: george76

“This idea of ‘Just do the enforcement,’ there are no votes for that.”

Then step aside you flamer because there are others that we can elect that will do just that.


5 posted on 07/01/2007 6:45:17 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative
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To: george76

Has anyone asked this question?

Once these 12 million become citizens will they be willing to work at below minimum wage and under the table?


6 posted on 07/01/2007 6:46:07 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Abbeville Conservative
“This idea of ‘Just do the enforcement,’ there are no votes no corporatist open borders cheap lobby campaign donates for that.”
7 posted on 07/01/2007 6:46:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: george76

Its time Republican voters from South Carolina proved Graham wrong by putting him back on the street and out of the Senate.


8 posted on 07/01/2007 6:47:29 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Grahm said he had “walked the plank” over this bill.

Liar...

Start packing boy your toast. All its gonna take to get the votes for a WALL is vote your sorry a$$ out.


9 posted on 07/01/2007 6:48:54 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: george76; All
Allow me to reword and "accurize" this a little:

The only way we're going to get Ag jobs or DREAM Act or pathways to legal status for the estimated 20-35 million illegal immigrants, is to pass bits and pieces of the measure important to our constituents...

10 posted on 07/01/2007 6:48:57 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: george76

They’ll drag this on and on and on and on and on until they wear down the citizens and the media won’t report on it any longer and nothing will be changed. It’ll all have been a waste of time and effort and tax dollars all at the expense of our children’s future and other matters that should have been addressed. They think they’re being smart and playing a game but they’re tearing down America.


11 posted on 07/01/2007 6:49:17 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: george76

Speaking of “no votes”, Mr. Graham’s prospect for another term seems in doubt.


12 posted on 07/01/2007 6:50:12 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: george76

The only things that need to be passed are funding for the fence, and the bill that makes salary payments to illegal aliens non-deductible.


13 posted on 07/01/2007 6:51:05 AM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: george76
It looks like if anything new happens with this, Grahamnesty won’t have anything to do with it as he’ll be out of public office by then. He seems to have forgotten that we who voted him in can also vote him out.

I’d vote for Charles Manson before I’d vote for Graham again.

At least we were right voting for Jim DeMint.

14 posted on 07/01/2007 6:51:38 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: B Knotts

Have they built any of this approved fence ?


15 posted on 07/01/2007 6:52:39 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
This idea of 'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

Apparently you missed this statement. Your Senators and Representatives are NOT open to "enforcing the law". When I called one of my former Senator's (McCain) office during this latest debacle with exactly that suggestion his punk intern snidely told me "we don't enforce the law, call the Executive Branch - I will tell the Senator of your concerns."

I must tell you... I wanted to rip the smart-ass little twerp's pharynx out.

16 posted on 07/01/2007 6:54:23 AM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter '08)
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To: george76

lightfoot lindsey had better just get used to rejection. There is a big ole steaming bag full of it coming his way!

LLS


17 posted on 07/01/2007 6:54:35 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

http://dumplindsey.org/


18 posted on 07/01/2007 6:54:59 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Around 80 miles in two years...they need to hire illegals to build it then throw them over it.


19 posted on 07/01/2007 6:56:57 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: Walkingfeather
Once these 12 million become citizens will they be willing to work at below minimum wage and under the table?

They will move up and 12 million more will take their places.

20 posted on 07/01/2007 6:57:52 AM PDT by Pete (Run, Vaclav, run!!)
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To: JohnD9207; potlatch

Potlatch has a solution : a moveable fence.


21 posted on 07/01/2007 6:59:33 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Walkingfeather
Once these 12 million become citizens will they be willing to work at below minimum wage and under the table?

The point was never for them to become citizens. That is why the fines and back taxes were injected for those seeking citizenship. The point was to make them legal but still dirt poor, willing to work for the low wages.

22 posted on 07/01/2007 7:01:36 AM PDT by Timmy
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To: george76

miss lindsay is toast!!!

wait until SC votes him out!!!

he will become a lib/dem!!!


23 posted on 07/01/2007 7:02:17 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: george76
'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

If we keep up the pressure to "build the fence" there will be. Idiot senators are disoriented and confused by the fact that citizens really have begun to pay attention when their vital interests are at stake. A followup grassroots "Secure the Border" campaign is the next step to keep momentum going.

24 posted on 07/01/2007 7:07:00 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Man50D

pressure our politicians to enforce the existing immigration laws including deporting illegal aliens, building the fence and prosecuting businesses

Yep.


25 posted on 07/01/2007 7:09:45 AM PDT by Son House ( Democrats are Hostile to Tax Payers.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
until they wear down the citizens and the media won’t report on it any longer

That's what they just tried. Disparage and discourage and blow off the People. Very little in the MSM about this bill until internet and talk radio let the sunshine in. And then much to their surprise, the sh*t hit the fan.

26 posted on 07/01/2007 7:11:22 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76
This idea of 'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

Translation: we will not release the hostage until all of the Senate's, the President's and the Chamber of Commerce's demands are met.

27 posted on 07/01/2007 7:17:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (A base looking for a party.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“The American people have a historically low view of Congress. We seem unable to do the public’s business and find consensus on difficult issues.
Lindsey Graham


Great Goober, you understand the problem, but you seem to be unable to come up with a solution!

Just might be a CLUE as to why people are sick of your crap!

Bye Bye Goober


28 posted on 07/01/2007 7:18:10 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: JohnD9207
Around 80 miles in two years...they need to hire illegals to build it then throw them over it.

That includes the so-called virtual fence which doesn't work. Actual fence is 15 miles, but most of that is beside an existing fence.

29 posted on 07/01/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: george76
"This idea of 'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

After we replace the scum-bag traitors like you, we will have the votes.

30 posted on 07/01/2007 7:19:41 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: mtbopfuyn

We’ll melt their phone system again.


31 posted on 07/01/2007 7:20:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: nyyankeefan
he will become a lib/dem!!!

You cannot become something you already are. Once he's out he will be free to apply for the job he loves. Ted Kennedy's butt boy.

32 posted on 07/01/2007 7:20:36 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

I think Lindsey might have a plank from the virtual fence sticking out of his........


33 posted on 07/01/2007 7:21:15 AM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: JohnD9207

Amen brother!!!

LLS


34 posted on 07/01/2007 7:25:37 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: blam

Any photos of it? I’d like to see what they call a fence.


35 posted on 07/01/2007 7:28:10 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: LibLieSlayer

Old Lindsey McCain had better get use to being jumped on, he made his on.


36 posted on 07/01/2007 7:34:58 AM PDT by gulfcoast6 (Tis a day that the Lord hath made!)
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To: george76
“¿Dónde está la cerca?”
37 posted on 07/01/2007 7:37:26 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: ecomcon
Any photos of it? I’d like to see what they call a fence.

http://americanborderpatrol.com/

38 posted on 07/01/2007 7:44:18 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: george76

Dream Act hungar strike at Pelosi’s office in San Francisco to begin tomorrow.

http://www.dreamact.info/forum/about1062.html


39 posted on 07/01/2007 7:50:12 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Walkingfeather
Once these 12 million become citizens will they be willing to work at below minimum wage and under the table?

I'll venture an answer. Hell No!!!! And if that stupid bill had passed, the millions of spouses, offspring, and so on would join the workforce at full wages and hump for benefits. What a nightmare!

40 posted on 07/01/2007 8:12:27 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Walkingfeather
You forget that the traitors are saying that the illegals will do work no Americans will do.

What they forget is that once the illegals become Americans, we will need more illegals to do the work Americans won't do. And then we legalize more illegals and make them Americans, and then we don't have illegals to do the work Americans won't do and then we legalize more immigrants to do work Americans won't do, and then ....

Vicious circle and few seem to get it.

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41 posted on 07/01/2007 8:17:50 AM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: george76

No votes for “Enforcement First”?

Well.... Time to CLEAN HOUSE and SENATE then.

Anyone against that approach should be targeted for defeat.

Are Freepers with me on that?


42 posted on 07/01/2007 8:18:26 AM PDT by WOSG (thank the Senators who voted "NO": 202-224-3121, 1-866-340-9281)
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To: Pete
They will move up and 12 million more will take their places.

That is EXACTLY right. Which is why amnesty and guest worker programs are a false solution.

We have to dry up the demand (meaning really going after businesses), then the supply would go away.

43 posted on 07/01/2007 8:19:09 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: JohnD9207

I hope he did walk the plank and his constituents view him as shark bait!


44 posted on 07/01/2007 8:21:20 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: EndWelfareToday

“the smart-ass little twerp”

Sounds like one of those interns that post on The Capitolist.

They have their own little culture, those interns and staff assistants to the assistants.

the Capitolist is for interns only .. and they tell one another how they ‘tell off’ people who call about the immigration bill,

and use the F-word all the time, etc. It actually sort of reads like DU.

I am sure the smart-ass little twerp had lunch with his friends and gleefully recounted what he said to you.

They should all be fired.


45 posted on 07/01/2007 8:21:33 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: george76
This idea of 'Just do the enforcement,' there are no votes for that."

Graham is stupid for saying this. If they passed Law B to enforce an as-yet-unenforced Law A, why should anyone enforce the new Law B?

Besides, it's up to the Executive branch to enforce laws. The only power the Legislative branch has to enforce laws is to impeach the Executive when said Executive is not enforcing the law.

46 posted on 07/01/2007 8:31:37 AM PDT by Vision Thing (Z-Visa? Z-Visa? I don't need no stinkin' Z-Visa.)
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To: org.whodat

This short 800 mile fence may take another 20 years ?


47 posted on 07/01/2007 8:46:19 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

“This idea of ‘Just do the enforcement,’ there are no votes for that.”

He will step aside, like it or not. Someone should remind him that enforcement is an executive branch function. He should realize that.

The arrogance of the entrenched political class exposes their disrespect for the separation of powers in the Constitution.

It is also the president who should pay for ignoring his primary duty.


48 posted on 07/01/2007 8:50:19 AM PDT by sayfer bullets (Go Pokes!)
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To: george76

“Last year, the Secure Fence Act, which mandated 854 miles of border fencing, passed the US Senate 80-19, passed the US House 283-138, and was signed into law by the president.”

This is why we cannot stop calling. Everyone, keep calling your representative. Make Congress implement this NOW.


49 posted on 07/01/2007 9:35:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (THE US SENATE IS THE MOST CORRUPT BODY POLITIC SINCE THE ROMAN EMPIRE.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

AgJobs and the Dream Act are popular? Only with the Senate!
They try to back door these 2 bills the American people should melt their phone lines again.
Apparently they still didn’t hear us.


50 posted on 07/01/2007 10:03:57 AM PDT by sheana
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